Hilchos Borer: Separating Solids from Liquids, Fish, Flies, and Pickles

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We're almost done, rabosai, with the yesoidos. I don't know, maybe we should go back and do it inside. We'll figure it out. Or you guys are young enough, I don't have to do it inside. Maybe a bechinah should be coming, a bechinah. Okay, so I'll tell you what we're gonna do. I'll figure it out later. I want to explain how to do this. I have a mahalach for this, and everything by me has to go with a mahalach. Okay, we'll figure it out. Bottom line is that maybe I'll ask Rav, what's his name, Rav Feldman, to come here to give you a bechinah here in bais medrash. He'll come. I think he'll do it. Huh? What? Why not? So do it. A few hours preparation. So do it, bepeirush. I'm just telling, I can tell you when tomorrow, it's gonna be in a few days. So do chazarah, you big boys. Come on. I'm not a... no, no, ... rebbe. So do it. You're talmid chacham, do it. I'm not a kid. You're not kids, come on. Okay. Oh, it's recorded. See? I have haskamah, you're not kids. All right. One of the things we really didn't work on, which is one of the biggest yesoidos of borer, is gush and lach, which means, is there a din borer on gushim from lachim and lachim from gushim, liquids from solids and solids from liquids. So we're gonna talk about the fly. We have to discuss that, because even that's possible is maybe not the halacha, and even if it is the halacha, maybe it's because the fly is different, and that's tonight's shiur, the Chazon Ish. We're gonna discuss that also. So let's begin with what does the Rambam say about shnei minim? The Rambam, shnei minim is two pieces of dag, dag, a gushim. They're not lachim, right? So l'choirah you don't have a raya from that. Even the second case, I believe, that the Rambam brings is pretty obvious: gedolim from ketanim and ketanim from gedolim, right? If you take all the gedolim out of the ketanim and all the ketanim out of the gedolim, so it can't be by lach. It's impossible, right? You can't get the gadol gush and the gadol lach, because by lach there's no gedeilim miktanah. So obviously the scenario of the Rama is also not what? Yeah, okay. Now, Acharonim—I think they quote a Shabbos, I don't remember. I have written down Acharonim. I don't know where it comes from, but I think, I think. We'll soon see where the mekoros of all this is, but I think the Shulchan Aruch has two raayos. The first raayah is from catching fish. Are you allowed to catch fish on Shabbos? So besides for tzad, huh? Tolish, you’re shalmi, but you don't have a problem of borer. Why don't you have a problem of borer of taking the fish out of the ocean? So the truth is— It's not really choosing. You're not—you can't see what you're doing. So that's your choosing. That's your choosing. Mamash an aquarium. You're talking about an aquarium. It's not ochel because it's not lalter. Can't eat it right away. It's not on Shabbos. What are you going to do with it? Yontif, so still it's not lalter, lalter. To kill it and cook it. Okay. All right. So you're all throwing good sevaros because, yibarach Hashem, Saturday for many days, so, you know, and we went through all the sevaros. But let's begin from the mekor, though. The mekor pashtus by dag is a very nice case that it should have been a borer, that you're being borer a fish from the water. So Mishnah Berurah, siman TZayin, se'if katan lamed gimmel, paskens this halacha. It's mutar lishlol dag mehayam. You're allowed to take out a fish from the ocean. Okay. Okay, you want to look it up? Go ahead. Siman TZayin, se'if katan lamed gimmel. I—what are you— What about muktzah? Yontif, let's say. Siman TZayin, se'if katan lamed gimmel. Go ahead. Who's reading? Very good, Leina. צל דגים מן הנהר, אפילו ניסן, take itself sefer Shamayim shelo yomas, chayav mishum tzeidah. ימניחו עד שמת, חייב גם משום נטילת נשמה. הדג מת, אפילו מניחו עד שייבש, ... בין צפיר, ... מים. ... besides for borer. ... Okay, read. ... Okay, I'll tell you why I thought it was exciting. It's very exciting to see the rise they bring. You'll soon see why. I'm going to carve out a beautiful yesod. Give me another minute. There's another case that they bring, which is based on a Gemara in Shabbos. Gemara Shabbos in hei amud beis speaks about an egos. An egos, not the walnut, whatever you want to call it, right? Tzaf al gabei hamayim, but it's in a kli, it's in a pot. So when you pick it up, is that called an akirah? Very famous she'eilah. Since it's not mamash on the ground, since it's tzaf al pnei hamayim, you have a pot in the water, and you pick up the egos from the pot, is that an akirah? Boi Rav. It's a she'eilah in the Gemara. Rav asks this.

For a shaila. So the Gemara there talks about a kli. That's really what the Gemara talks about. So then there's no question of boirer, obviously, right? There's nothing. Where's the boirer? It's from a kli. The kli's in the water, so you're allowed to take a nut out of a pot. That's not boirer, take a nut out of a pot, right? That's the case of the bug. If it has water in it, there's food in it. Empty cup. No, no, so I'm saying, the pot is sof. When you're writing this, you're not wrong, because the Rambam says, kol shekein. That's in the Rambam, perek yud-gimmel, halacha daled brings down, u'kol shekein when it's tzaf al pnei hamayim, that if I take it when it's tzaf al pnei hamayim, also it's the same halacha, that it's hakirah, hanachah. Yeah, let's look it up inside. Yeah, yeah. Yud-gimmel, halacha daled. Ah, now you're saying the whole shiur instead of me. Okay, so say instead of me. What do I care? Okay, if you say shiur instead of me. Right here. Okay, yud-gimmel, let's go. Yud-gimmel, daled. It's a little better. It's a little better, tzaf. We're going to talk about it. You want to know the truth is, whatever you're saying here is the yesod of zvuv, sugya of zvuv, and it's not me. It's a little better. I'll show it to you. Go ahead. Yeah, he brings the case that what happens if you pick up the egos from the kli that's on the mayim, what's the halacha? So it's not an akirah. Go ahead. Ah, vadאי, if you did what? Ah, so that's the next case, okay? So we have a beautiful case of egos. So the Acharonim say, boirer, boirer, boirer. You're saying good. Tzaf is maybe a different case. Okay, slow. What's the next case? He brings shemen. V'chein im haya shemen tzaf apnei hamayim, v'kolat min hashemen. So the shemen tzaf apnei hamayim. Shemen comes to the surface, right? And he took the shemen. You know where this is very negea? Min hashemen, not all the shemen. Beautiful cake. Min hashemen, not all the shemen. In your soup, in your soup, you have very fatty—so the soups, sometimes you take the—no, no, they take the fatty part, right? Min hashemen, not all the shemen. Min hashemen. He could be leaving some shemen there. I didn't make that the ikar. Never get the whole thing, because it's impossible. Yeah, so he does probably what he means. He doesn't mean more than min hashemen, because he can't get all of it. Point being, now the difference over there is that could be different. A chicken soup could be minecha, the soup and the fat in the soup. Mashenkein shemen u'mayim might be a little different. Shemen u'mayim might be a little different. Oh, by the way, I'm happy you waited. I wanted to hear your shiur. I wanted to hear your shiur. I was so excited. I just hope tomorrow you have your oilam. I hope Friday is not yom of the pager, you know. If you call it a yeshiva kol, even Sunday, you're right. V'kitzer aveisai, yehivah tutzacha shemen. Now the truth is, I never found the Mishnah Berurah this shemen. I don't know where it is. I don't know. It's like the cup that it's a Mishnah Berurah, I don't know where it is. Definitely a Magen Avraham. The Magen Avraham is shemen zayin se'if katan hei, and this I got because of the Rambam. Shapsi Frankel Rambam's the metzayen to this Magen Avraham. So shin mem zayin, se'if katan hei. So you see that the shemen sugya is also a sugya, and I want you to keep it in mind because we're going to attack with this shemen. With this shemen, choira, boirer, boirer, boirer, boirer. Torah says it's not boirer, and we're going to use this. You see, because the acharonim are going to work with egos a little bit, then they skip the shemen one, and I like to come from behind and attack. What do you call that? Ambush. I like to ambush from this shemen. You'll soon see. Okay, give me a minute. It's a little worse, a little better. We'll soon see. Okay. So does everybody here clearly, one case is dag, and the other case is what? Shemen. Okay, now let's do a little artwork, a little bit, you know, an operation. Let's make a little operation here. Okay, see, I'm talking like a mamish, like in the hospital. See, licking cups. Yashbod does a terrible thing, you know. You walk next to a hospital, everything you say is going to be like medical and treatment. Okay, how big is the fish? Compared to the water? Does he talk about how big the fish? You have tiny little fishes, guppies. Those are called guppies, right? I think from that. What? Where's the fish? Again, we just, again, we asked the shaila: what about lach and yavesh? So we said that the Rama doesn't talk about lach and yavesh. So Acharonim bring a raya that there's no borer from lach and yavesh from these two cases. So first I want to know about the fish. How big are the fish? Is there a difference? I don't know.

Well, maybe the case of the fish are that small, yeah? Maybe it's not called niker. I don't know how big. What? I don't know, I'm asking. Well, maybe it's big fish. That's what I'm asking. No one said that the case of... I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. That it is visible. It's talking about under water. Under water. That's exactly. You're hitting all the nekudos I want. You're hitting all the nekudos. Exactly. So let me talk, let me talk, let me talk. The first nafka mina I want to ta'in is there's no hechrech how big the fish is. Maybe it's such a big fish that there's no borer. Fish is so big that it's a little pond of water, and you see it. Vos is shayach to say borer? It's right there. Second question is how clean is the water? Maybe vaiter it's niker. Doesn't say. Gives me a blanket check, okay, that all fish in the water, Acharonim say you see from here it's no borer. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it doesn't make a difference. Maybe it doesn't make a difference how big the fish is. And it also doesn't make a difference how clear is the water. Okay. How about the second raya? The second raya was from the egos. Wait a minute. The egos was tzaf. Egos comes to the top. The shemen comes to the top. The fish, they're not coming to the top. They're in the water. So maybe taka, between the two, we have many yesodos. We have a big yesod that even though a big fish in the water, and l'choira it's niker still. I'm saying, and maybe even of a small, excuse me, even a small fish in the water, and it's not niker, it's still not borer. Maybe if the water is clean or not clean, it makes no difference; it's still not borer. And maybe there's no chiluk between tzaf and besoch, because you see clearly that dog is in, and that's a real me'urav. Tzaf is on top, and still, what? The Acharonim want to bring a raya that what? That there's no borer. Maybe egg is different, maybe it's only tzaf. So between the fish and the eggs, you basically ruled out all the sevaros if both are true. If the raya is from borer, or from the fish and the eggs, you've ruled out that the fish could be small, doesn't have to be gedolim. Or— no, I'm saying, what I mean to say is, or are you going to say— right, I'm just saying, and if it was only eggs, I would come and say, you know what, maybe only tzaf, but you see fish. So between the two, basically, you have a raya that even if it's not tzaf, and even if it's small, and even if it's what, rabosai, and even if it's not niker, there's still no borer. Now, let me go now to the sugya of zvuv, and you'll see how zvuv, all the above sevaros were mentioned by the Acharonim by zvuv. Okay. The Mishnah Berurah in siman tes se'if katan samech tes quotes the famous Taz that it's asur l'hotzi the zvuv only with a little bit water. Ay, basai, ay, basai. No, no, just whatever. Ay, basai, what do we have? We have that there's an issur of boirer from a gush to a lach, yeah? Because you take me out the gush from a lach, chayav, it's a pashut raya, yeah? Ay, what do you do with the above rayas? What do you do with the fish? Why is the zvuv different than the fish? Why is the zvuv different than the fish? We'll soon see, a little bit slowly. Why is the zvuv different than the fish? Why is the zvuv different than the nut? Why is the zvuv different than the nut? This becomes a very big sugya. But before we go there, what happened to seif yud, where we spoke about yayin o mayim sheheim tzlulim, mutar l'sanan b'mishmeres. And what is that from? That's from the Mishmeres, really because you have the hops, the things inside, the shmarim. So, says the Mishnah Berurah, mishmeres, kli shemesannin bo hashmarim. So what do you mean? That's vaiter, that's zach, that's lach, and yavesh. Shmarim is yavesh. What would you call shmarim? Shmarim are pieces, pieces.

That's a nice raya from yayin. And what's the next case? Hagav, afi sheyesh bo kismin dakin, yeah? Hoyil v'ruy lishtos b'lav hachi. It's a water that has in it particles, pieces, kismin dakin, is also mutar. So, what do we have a raya that a gush from a lach becomes mutar? But the Mishnah Berurah gives different reason, no? What does Mishnah Berurah say the reason is? Because drinkable otherwise. ... sharmim tzlulim, vamayim mezuvim meihem, u'miktsas min hayayin shenisha b'lua, v'hataam she'ein nesiyas mayim mishum boir, shehamayim she'hu nosin tzlulim heim, v'ein בהם דבר שצריך לברר מהם. Al gabi shenisha b'chavis, o taam hayayin motzi nosin b'shav v'shosin noso. No, but what's the case of mishmeres? Yayin o mayim she'ein tzlulim, mutar lesanנם b'mishmeres. What is... one second, lamed beis. No, that was the next one, the next one, next one. Yeah, mutar. Kivan d'lavasi gam kein tzlulim v'ruyim lishtos. So why does the Mishnah Berurah have to bring this reason? Bring the reason that lachin yavesh, that lachin yavesh is no boir. The teretz is because the Mishnah Berurah taka paskens like the Taz, that from a lachin yavesh there is boir. He brings a case of svuv that it's aser. But eina chanami, loi d'achronim that hold by lachin yavesh there's no boir, so this sugya is very poshut. You don't have to come on to ruyin; it comes out very big chiddush that even if it's not ruy lishtos. Again, what do you mean? If you hold that every lach... And Yavish, there's no taroves, which we're going to learn. We're going to learn every lach in Yavish, there's no taroves. So then it comes out that this seif has nothing to do with roin lishtos. I don't hear what about the Shmorim. Okay, saying, what's the svara of lach in Yavish? Maybe it's something that it's like, klal, it's two separate things, two separate entities. But I'm saying the Shmorim, first of all, they're drenched, and it's me'urav with the yayin, with mayim, whatever we're talking about. Okay, so sometimes even sell together. Some, though, is a zechah, there's some is zechah, the pieces. Zuvsvav, we're going to get to tzaf in a minute. You see, that's why I told you, the hakdamah I'm giving you, we're going to soon learn this. We're soon going to learn about this zvuv. But before we get to the zvuv, we have to know what's the case of yayin. Yayin and mayim sheheim tzlulim mutar l'sam mishmeres. If you hold that by lach in Yavish there's no borer, so then the pshat becomes pashut, because by lach in Yavish there's no borer. And this, it says, hakdamah af al פי שיש boi ksam dakim, hoya b'ruin lishtos. What's this ramah then? So this Ramah l'choirah is a raya that it's only asurin lishtos, but if not for ruin lishtos, it'd be asur. So the question is, what do they do? What do the Acharonim who pasken, which we're soon going to learn that there's no taroves by lach in Yavish, what do they do with this Ramah? So I'm throwing this out for a question. Okay, now, zvuv, which the Ber Heitev is saying that there's a problem with the Taz. So if you look at the Be'er Heitev, you'll see that all of the above that we said becomes the issue of zvuv. The Be'er Heitev in siman תסו סעיף קטן ב' brings many, many shitos. בדווקא אוכל מן הפסולת. עיין סעיף ד'. הרי אבולפיא, הוא בדבר במריץ צלון, סימן ריש נון גימל, כתב, דמדברי רש״י נראה דאפילו לאלת דווקא כשבורר לעצמו מותר, אבל לאחרים אסור. This is the machlokes if l'acheirim you can be borer. מריץ צלון שם דחה דבריו וכתב, אפילו לאחרים שרי. עוד כתב שם הרי אבולפיא, דהרמבם סבירא ליה בורר בתוך האוכל נמי מותר לאלתר. וכפי זה, פסולת מתוך אוכל נמי מותר לאלתר. I just found a Mishnah Berurah that seems to be saying not like— Yeah, about what? I mean, it really seems Mishnah Berurah l'shitaso. We’re gonna get to that. ... גם זה הוא בכלל בורר. I know, we’re gonna get to that. That’s exactly—we’re gonna get to it. Keep that in mind. That’s at the end. We’re gonna get to it. ... Yeah. What’s the case? We’re gonna get to it. ... מעל פני התצף על פני החול. ... We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that case, because of ... that shemen. That’s the case of shemen. We’re gonna get to it slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly. We’re gonna get there. We’re gonna get there.

Oh, what were we talking about? We did that night? Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You put it by... This week. I want it out. It's not... I think just with the... A few minutes. A few minutes. I don't remember. Okay, you ready, Rabosai? Give me a few more minutes, okay? So, so far we're in business. ומריץ צלוי שם דאך דבריו, והלא שדעת כל הפוסקים דפסלי דחילול אסור, אפילו לאלתר, והנותן פסול דחילול לעולם חי, ואפילו בידו לאלתר. Now, so what do you do with this zvuv, right? Because according to the Ramban, the heter zvuv, because it's פסול דחילול for later. But if you don't hold the פסול דחילול later, which what we pasken, so what happens to the zvuv? So he says a very nice chiddush. ומריץ שם היתיר לעשות צירה anyway, מטעם אחר. One, דאין ברירה בלח. You have a period in your Mishnah Berurah? You have a period over there? I have a comma. You have a comma. I like it, I like it, I like it. Mine has a period. Yours has a comma. Take a look. You have a period or comma? Period. And you have a what? I have a comma. This is... no, no, no, no. This is good. This is good, Rabosai. You know, one learned it that it's the end of a sentence, and one learned it that it's one sentence. דאין ברירה בלח, וגם צירי ישלח, which means it's an expression that you're allowed to take it out, דלא שייך ברירה אלא מה שצריך לפשפש ולברור. Aval davar shetzaf lemaalah, kvar borru hu, v'havlei k'mashkil beintei mechalev. Okay? Of course it's a hemshech. There’s two different sevaras. It’s two different sevaras. Remember, I told this to you. This is the sugya. Forget about anything in lomdus. Just pashut the words. Even the pshat is—what does gamasat tziruy yashalach mean? No one talks like that. It’s a hemshech. No one talks like that. Period. That’s one reason. It could be there’s a second. It’s a nice shaila, I don’t know. I always had this side here. V’yesh ladun, im zeh shtei sevaros nifrados, hayah kol chada. And I, baruch Hashem, with today’s Mishnah Berurahs I have a shiur. Can you imagine if they had the old Mishnah Berurahs, which you wouldn’t be able to even read what it says? But now that you can read what it says, they put in a comment, one puts in a period—kachan tzricha Torah. It’s a pashut toais. Who says it? It’s a ta’us. The expression, ‘ein breirah b’lach’ v’gamasat tziruy yashalach, it doesn’t read otherwise. Who would talk like that? Gamasat tziruy yashalach. Because it’s part of the—you know what it is? They root the riddle. They killed the whole riddle. No, but if it’s a new thing—Yeah, but l’maaseh it’s a riddle. It’s supposed to flow. Ein breirah b’lach v’gamasat tziruy yashalach. So here he was doing it as a cute thing to put it together. So this is the sugya. I don’t want to be machria one way or the other, but either the pshat is this is one thing or two things. So what’s the nafka mina? Gevaldige nafka minas, where it’s not sof, still may be mutar. Ein breirah b’lach. Slowly, slowly, give me a minute. Let me enjoy. Let me enjoy the period and the comma. Leave me alone. Let me enjoy the period of the comma. Where do you heter like this? Who's gonna sit there and show you how to read a Mishnah Berurah with a period and a comma and prove you that it's right? That's what I told you. Go back to the sugya. The egoy sugya is soft. The fish is not soft. The fish is lach, mu'riv. Maybe ein breirah b'lach. That's the two ways to read this beraisa. Either you read— What's so exciting that I'm ready to destroy my... What's the svara for such a thing? Oh, what do you mean? It's not mu'riv. How could a lach— I told this to you once. Minim have to be that it matches, that it's mu'riv. Stam two things that have no shaychus to, but you put it together, there you see it's two different things. So let's say ice cream. Ice cream salad and ice cream that melted. That's a nice famous she'eilah. That's a famous she'eilah. What do you call ice cream that's melted? Part of it's melted. You remember we learned this l'gabei bishul, you remember this? That the yeshiva zatzal held something that melted, no? It's a she'eilah if it started off as a hard and it went into a soft, does it have a din of bishul?

The ... says it's with its original thing. Remember, we learned the teshuvas. You remember them? You remember them? Time for chazarah. Now, the guy ... shalak. ... l'... liver. ... l'malik v'baru, v'hav li k'mashchu beinita michalba. You know what beinita michalba means? Hairs. Hairs. That's, that's, that's. Are we gonna get to hairs? Oh! We're gonna get to it. Don't. Yeah, the Gemara says about ... Malchamavis. He's borrowing the Malchamavis. I know. That's where it comes from. V'hava k'bintei michalba. That's the ... You know what the vort is? You see that malach, you could daylem their language was shas. Everything was shas. Shas. Their loshon was Shas. Their loshon was Shas. Today, everything is, you read it, it's so shvach, you know. All right, what are you gonna do? Start changing the ... V'yad Aharon kasav, d'heter zehu dochak me'od. So meileh, he doesn't hold of not either ... or he doesn't hold of the svara of what? Of tzaf. The heter zehu dochak me'od, whatever the heter is. Okay, okay. V'taz siman zeh, se'if katan yud-daled, ... kasav, d'ein ... ... d'hav lei ... ... al yedei ... ... l'choirah the Taz holds it's taruves, yeah? Comes along the Chazon Ish, says not true. Not true. Lachin yavish is not a taruves. But here's this very special case, because the zvuv has wings, and in the wings that gets caught, that ... So, it's not from the rest of the soda, of whatever fell into. It's just from what's around the body. So what does the Chazon Ish obviously want? The Chazon Ish wants to say that there's no berirah. By a lachan yavish, because it's not taruvis, azei v'lazagin l'cheira, right? That's his uftu, yeah? Okay. Ein breirah b'lach, stam is—doesn't mean there's no breirah from lach from yavish. Ein breirah b'lach means it's not possible. But two lachin—how do you have two lachin? What do you want to do? Two ice creams. But how can you do it? Two melting ice creams. How can you be borer lach from lach? How do you—seven and one. Seven and one. That's what we get. That's why I brought seven, that's what I want. That's like totally imbush. That's why I'm imbushing. That's exactly what I get by imbush. What do you mean, imbush? Now, we skipped a little line from the Ba'ariya b'lafya, yeah? The haRamam svira d'borer psoles mitoch ochel nami mutar l'alter. What is that all about? What is that all about? And the teretz is, that's the Sefardim shita. Sefardim hold that psoles mitoch ochel is mutar l'alter because it becomes derech achilah. That's it. That's the Marit Abulafya, Mari Abulafya, okay? Mechaber paskens like this, I'm telling you. No, so Mari Abulafya says that's that shita. According to that shita, you're allowed to take a bug out. They do. So that's what he's saying. So Mari Abulafya, avada they do it. So I'm telling you, derech achilah. I mean, ... it's a lav. Because lav is the heter; ... lav is because derech achilah. That's the heter. The heter is derech achilah, no? Okay, now listen carefully. You ready? Come, come, let's go back, let's go back. I'll tell you a meirdige chap. We still don't know, the fish, is he talking about Shabbos or Yontif? So the fish could be talking about a chol Yontif, but he's frying by Shabbos? No, it's brought by Shabbos. Shin-tes-zayin is not Yontif, yeah? So what do you do with it, though? What do you plan on doing with this fish? What, you eat sushi? What do you plan on eating? How would you have a—there's no derech achilah involved in this, right? Wait a minute, sushi, unless you say there's a raya from sushi from the Mishnah Berurah. We can't raya for sushi from the Mishnah Berurah, because if you learn like that, ... that the heter is derech achilah, what do you do with raw fish? It's a dead fish? Okay, so you're eating dead fish from the ocean? You don't like it. You don't like it, okay. I'm just—

I'm clarifying, but the eggos, you have a good pshat in the eggos. I took it to eat. Could be the raya from eggos is gishmak. I took the eggos to eat. But ein hachanami, if I took the eggos to throw it out, then I would takke be chayav for bor also. According to the Maria Balafyo, that the heter is derech achilah, so you could have a gevaldige pshat. Bishleim in the fish, I don't really know how you're going to get around it. But by the eggos, we could come and say, okay, what about the shemen tzaf al pnei hamayim also? Maybe I'm using it to eat. Maybe it's for lalter, huh? Who says? What do you mean? Maybe I'm eating it. Maybe I want the shemen to eat. Maybe I want the shemen to be sach. Could be it's for lalter. Okay. Kumt eis chaveisai, we have four sevaros in halacha by yavesh lach. We have one sevara that it's not called taruvos, and that would be the first pshat, possibly in the Maritz and in the Chazon Ish. Okay, so halacha lemaaseh, yeah, meikil chiddush. By lach and yavesh, no problem of borer because it's not taruvos. Okay. The second pshat of the Maritz, which is possible, is the same pshat: when it's on top, floating on top, then there's no taruvos and it's mutar, right? Third thing, if you're borer lalter, then it becomes mutar because it's derech achilah. If you hold like the Rambam, if you hold like those shitos, derech achilah, lalter. Okay. Final and last point is the Taz. That if you already want to take, you would have to take it with what? With a ksas oichel. That's the heter of taz bais vav. Now, with this, I want to discuss a very big yesod. There's a halacha: if you're shochet on Shabbos for a choleh, could a bari eat from it? Now, to be shochet on Shabbos, yeah. So let's see, this is in Shinyud Ches seif beis. We learned this, right? A shochet b'Shabbos for choleh, it's mutar for the bari. Comes along the Mishnah Berurah and says, what about the dam, all the blood? So he says that you don't need melichah; hadachah would be good enough. Go ahead, read the Mishnah Berurah, seif katan vav. Shin yud ches, seif beis in the Mechaber, and the Mishnah Berurah, seif katan vav. You know who's reading? Seif beis, seif katan vav. Shin yud ches. Aleph. Okay, aleph and the Mishnah Berurah seif katan vav. Go ahead. Yeah, so a shochet b'Shabbos... vav, so read it, whatever it is, read it. Who? It's without melichah; you're eating without melichah, yeah. Oh, so the dam ha-blu is only because mashloi pirish. And what about the blood on top? What do you do for that? Wait a minute. What happened to borer? Ah, ah. Cleaning. So everything could be cleaning. You're cleaning the chicken. He's cleaning the chicken from the dam. Ain shafin, ain... all the sugyas are cleaning. Ain shorim, you're just cleaning the dirt. What do you mean? You know what, now... According to Rameish's, it's all clean. It's all cleaning. And it came that way. It's cleaning. What are you doing? Everything's clean. Everything's clean. By the kashrus. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, but the potatoes came that way, like potato. You're allowed to wash a potato? We learned it. No, you're not allowed to wash a potato. It's cleaning, it's cleaning. Maybe ein shafin is only also, but yad. This is not b'yad. This is just a splash. It's how we do potatoes. We learned clearly the potato is not allowed to do because you're cleaning the dirt that it comes with, no? We learned this. Yeah, b'yad or shein. I mean, our chiddush, the way we learned, either b'yad or shein. It was according to that, but there's not like that. We learned the Mishnah אפילו water, it says. We learned the Mishnah that you're not even cleaning it with water on it. So don't eat it! For the bari! For the bari! No, but the bari, what does he do? He washes it. Why is he allowed to wash it? Boyer, boyer, boyer. You know Rav Baisah holds a gevaldige chiddush. You know the case of shemen and mayim, even though it's tzaf, but it's attached. It's stuck.

To it. Huh? Mashen kein, by the blood and the water, it's bichlal not attached. The blood in the chicken, it's not attached. It's l'maalah. It's not in. Something which is l'maalah and it's not attached, there's no batel. Now read me your Mishnah Berurah. Shemen with the fat, with the shuman, with the chalav. Nu, go ahead, read it. The dirt also not attached. The dirt is when it's inside. When it's inside, so that's taroves. When it's outside, I told this to you from Rav Elyashiv, it could be when something's attached, only the attached part becomes the... But where it's taka not even attached, it just happens to be on top of, then it's nothing between that and siluk. The blood and the chicken is siluk. That's all it is. Go ahead, read it. V'chein hakolet shuman hatzaf al pnei cholov shekorin smetenes. Smetenes. Smetenes! How could you not know what smetenes is? All the European yidden used to love smetenes. Smetenes. And not from Europe. What are you talking about? Any European yid would die for a shtikel herring with smetenes. I grew up with the European yidden, they used to put herring in their pocket. Go ahead, read. After every kiddush, they would come with their pockets, taking out. Those were the best. Those were the best days. European delicious yidden. Smetene. What's chetz? Smetene mit ogekis, they used to eat, and smetene mit strawberries. Ogekis are cucumbers, are pickles. Smetene mit strawberries. Smetene is the sour cream, is the fat that's on top of the milk, smetene. Okay, so now you'll never forget smetene. Go ahead, nu. Anyway, hakrelet shemen nataf al pnei hachalav, gam zehu bichlal boir. Oh, so what's the case of shemen al pnei hachalav? It's attached. It's dovuk. It floated to the top. It's different. Floated to the top. It's stuck. It's like shemen. Shemen's a little different. And what is it? Boir. So Ayel asked me a kasha. I thought we learned when it's softened, it's different. So attached, attached, attached, attached. Let's say it's dried blood. Dried blood is a nice question. I don't know. It could be it's a little more attached maybe, but that's attached because it dried. No, no, dried totally. Dried totally. I don't know. It's a good chakirah. It was not attached, so with sof l'maalah it's okay. Asur. According to Mishnah Berurah, it's asur. But if you learn what I'm saying, the svara of sof l'maalah, I asked you, what do you do with sof l'maalah? And could be the story of the Mishnah Berurah, which I grabbed the... You know what it is? I don't really have time to do a falpel. Is the story of the Mishnah Berurah that it's l'maalah or it's bifnim? The lashon is it fell b'toch hakos. I was once me'oir this. Go ahead, look at the lashon of Mishnah Berurah. What's the story of the zvuv? How big is the zvuv? Where is the zvuv? What kind of zivuv are we talking about? Which shechat hanizvah? Zvuv is mishinyu tesivkan samech tes. Samech aleph? Samech aleph. I know it's a little bit off. Go ahead. Huh? B'machal. B. B'machal. So I was wondering what the story is. Isn't that better? Not attached? Huh? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And over here, down below, they say, ... l'toich hamachal. Who says that? Who says it? That makes it a chiluk l'toich itself. No, they don't say this. Oh, okay, okay. I thought I was getting excited. No, no. Just use that lashon, l'toich. ... I was reading out of my book. So come, rabosai, lefi zeh, I want you to pasken the following. Okay, I'm finished. My shiur is over. I gave you all the chilukim and all the nafka minas. Now here comes the test. You ready? Now I'm Rabbi Felder. I'm going to speak very quietly and softly. Okay. Beitzim hamunachim b'mayim. Beitzim, like cinnamon sticks?

Eggs. You have eggs in water, and you want to take them out of the water on Shabbos. Poref, just like the dug. Just like the dug. But I—wait a second. Then maybe it's like the zvuv. Why is that the issur? Why is it different than the zvuv? So what's the difference between the zvuv and the dug? I don't know. You tell me. Maybe one is for lalta, I don't know. You tell me. That's today. This is today's shiur. Today's shiur is I gave the information, now answer the questions. Okay, so you know what? I'll tell you what we'll do. We only have six minutes. I'm going to give you all the cases, and you're going to work on them, and you're going to come back to me, all right? And I'm going to show you that from the cases, that this is called knowing the sugya well. You ready? Eggs in water. I want to take them out. I left them, I cooked them over Shabbos, and then on Friday I left them in the water, and now I want to take them out Shabbos morning and make egg salad. Okay. You have pickles in water, in a jar with the water. Are you allowed to take the pickles out for not laalter? Not laalter. You have laalter, that's achilah. Is that also not laalter? Well, of course not, because if it's laalter, there's nothing what to talk about. Huh? Why is it different than zvuv? Why is it different than zvuv? Okay, now I'm going to show you more. No, but that's called laalter. It's for this meal. That's called for this meal. I'm preparing for not laalter, whatever. I'm saying that's whatever, it's for later. Huh? Now what? That if there's another step before the alter, before you— No, I agree with you, that's called laalter. I'm saying, but for later, a guy for Shalshudis, he wants to take out the eggs. Okay. How about, you ever see cans of corn? There's water on top, and there's water in between. Inside, there's two—you can spill out the water from the top, and then you can spill out the water that's, you know, you hold back the corner and spill out the water. There's two parts to the water. Now, that water is called tafle. It's not really tough. Who said that it's not really tough? Remember we spoke about what's not really tough because if it's davuk? What did we say? We said there's two types of taf: there's taf where it's davuk, and there's taf where it's not davuk. All the Acharonim say that it's taf, it's taf according to that it's taf. What's taf? That taf. Full of water. Tafle, that means you agree with me. I agree with you. There's no difference whether it's floating or whether it's just— That's not the point. That's not the point. The point is that it's not attached to the— That's what I'm answering you. That's what I'm telling you. The taf is not a lumdus of taf. Yeah, I'm just trying to— I would say it's taf because it's davuk to the water that's floating. It's not how it's above. The point is just that it's above. That means—these cases, rabosai, means—these cases means you understand the sugya well, okay? So again, eggs and water. I can write down, this is it, rabosai. You want to know good? Get the chilukim. The eggs and the water. Olives and cucumbers in a jar of water. Cans of corn. What's too fast? I'm sorry. Oh, you're writing on paper. Oh, these things sound so similar. Cucumbers in jar of water and pickles in— That's a very big difference. Very, very big difference, because one is firstly you're taking the pickle out of the water. On the Shabbos, more because the water's all over. You're not taking from what's tough l'maalah, but if you're pouring out the water, you could say a chezek, the water on top. Pickles are the maalah? No, it's more with the water, though. Can't say it's not more with all the lach. The pickles are in all the lach. But mashenkin on a can of corn, you're spilling out the water; you can say what's tough l'maalah. No, I'm just asking, the pickles and cucumbers. Pickles and— Oh yeah, it's that same case, same case. Oh, I didn't say what he meant. Or, or, or, or, or, or. Okay. Cans of corn and whatever other vegetable you like. I don't like any of them, so corn stays my preference of choice. I bid memories of the vegetables from my childhood, from the days that my mother used to force me to eat them. Now, maybe one day I'll tell kind of chevra when I was. Maybe I'll tell you now. You guys earned it. You guys... You know what I used to do to vegetables, right? You know, my older kids know. My mother told. I used to put them in our shoes, because we weren't allowed to go out and play till we finished the vegetables. So my mother used to give us the vegetables, and then she would come back like, How did it disappear that quickly? I said, Wait, it was delicious. Put it in our shoes.

Package you a check. The kitzur yogurt, and on top you have water. What would you tie into that? That's this case with the shamnenet, maybe or maybe not. There's water. You ever see on top of the yogurts, there's a thing of water. You're allowed to spill out that water. Would you call that tzaf or not? Okay. Next case. Next case, next case. You have a soup. This is the classic case. What would you call it? Tzaf, I don't know. It's a good chorah. You have to know klar. Soup, yeah, and inside you have vegetables, and you have chicken. So what would you call that? Could you separate the soup from the chicken and the chicken from the soup? What could you do? Or the soup from the chicken, or the vegetables from the chicken, and it's פסולת מתוך אוכל, or it's for not lalter? Okay. What about pieces of fish from the sauce or chicken from the sauce? I want to either take away the sauce or take away the chicken, not lalter. Would you call that mutar? Next case. Ice cubes. I love this. Ice cubes. What would you tell me about ice cubes? From the water. Yeah, yeah. So if it's ice cubes and water, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to know. It's one min, two minim. On the other hand— It's like the melted ice cream and not melted ice cream. Exactly, I told you about the melted ice cream. It's a big shayla. And then the other problem is if it's a niker, it's not niker. I hold in a soda, for example, the little ice cubes, they're not niker. You know what I'm saying? The ones that are already half melted, if they're regular big cubes, maybe, maybe. But then you have the other shayla. It's in the thing and the water is not salul, and that's why it's not niker. What do you do with that? And is it taruves? So first you have to know if it's taruves b'lach and yavesh. You have to know if it's a yavesh. You have to know if it's slulin, because the water is like the fish. I remember I told you about the fish could be a little different, because the fish, the water maybe is not clean, but where—well, maybe the water is clean, and that's why it's not—it's called nikar, and that's why it's mutar. You have to do the sugya of the fish a little bit better, okay? How about to take off the fat on top of the meat? It says gravy on top of the meat, okay? And how about taking out a hair? How about taking out a hair from a drink? We just had it. Now, he—Michalba. It's still chayritz tzaf. Is it tzaf l'maalah? No. It's at the—at the top. That's what I—right here. Now, I want to go through one more nekudah. It's not tzaf, tzaf. Not tzaf l'maalah, l'maalah. It's tzaf to the top, but not on top. It's not on top. It's at the top. Write that down. It's tzaf, not on top, but tzaf at the top. And this—what does it say in this—this... I play around with you, but you should know, we're learning beautiful. If you know the beauty of every word of these nekudos, beautiful. Chiluk between on top and at the top. It's a meredige chiluk. And you see, he talks about, k'mashma beinei mecholav, d'ein ze borer. There it's not on top; there it's at the top. Still it's mutar, okay? Final last thing: are you allowed to take off the frozen off the challah? Yeah, you have like ice things off the challah. You allowed to take it off, huh? Frost. I have a tzad to say that it's not a problem. You know why? Because it's not niker. Once you take it off, it disintegrates by itself. So it's not a borer of the pesoles. Chazon Ish. It's not niker, it's not borer. I'm scraping off frozen and it's gone. I'm scraping off frozen. As you're taking it off, as I'm taking it off, it melts into my hand. If we zoom in on the time that you're taking it off, because Chazish held if it's not niker, it's not called a borer. It should be not niker before you start. I don't know. I don't know. You want me to pasken against the Chazon Ish? What do you want me to do? You take the picture, it'll be niker.