Hilchos Lash: Mixing Coffee and Cocoa, Mashed Potatoes, and Shinuyim on Shabbos

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I do my ... so it works out good, ... good. Okay. All the acharonim discuss—it's just a few little, like, tidbits before we begin—a few. All the acharonim discuss mixing together sugar with cocoa or coffee. There's no problem, right? It's two yevashim, two dry things, ... right? Nothing happens. What happens if the spoon is a little wet? Do they talk about it? Could you get hold of Rav Kohn's book? You have it, right? Maybe bring it. Just, I feel funny talking about ... maybe, I don't know, maybe everybody talks about it or it's like a davar pashut, I don't know. I mean, ... it's a shaylah. It mixes together if you put the water first, that could be a problem. You can, of course; it's lash, no? So you have to first put the sugar and the coffee and then the hot water. First put—right, you always have to put, right? Otherwise it's lash. Unless you do מעט מעט. I'm saying, if you do מעט מעט, then you have a problem with the sugar and you have a problem with the coffee. You have to pour a lot. It has to be a lot. A lot of what? If the Chazon Ish says this svara, all the water has to be—it has to turn into mayim mechurim. But if you do a little bit at a time, which it turns into like a slush, so then it's a problem. So where do you have really the case? You always pour a lot right away, not pour a little bit. But if you have a spoon, l'choira—flavors, these liquid flavors. Yeah, they want to add it to the coffee, so that's a problem. That's a problem. It's a problem. If you put a little bit of something and it turns into a mixture, okay. The best way to do it is just to put the sugar in coffee first and then the water. Again, you have a problem with ... kli sheini, so however you work it out. Lush, the way you do is you pour a lot in one time. A lot of water. A lot of water at one time. If you pour מעט מעט, אז, חס ושלום, you're gonna have a problem. So I even asked you, I told you, I don't remember if we got to that time, I asked Rav Sheinberg once, you know, when you have the— we spoke it out—that you have the cocoa, not everything becomes fully diluted. You have those pieces. They clumps together. So why don't you have a problem with lush with that? I don't know. It's a good shaylah. Rav Sheinberg said it's a good... it's a problem. Okay, so I don't know. Huh? Not maskim. Sound like you have a very bad cold. That's what it sounds like. Fush leibel. Yeah, I have my cup of water and I pour the coffee on top. Yeah. So a lot of times it, like, it also, like, it stays on the top. That's a little different. That could be that's like particles of the coffee. By the cocoa, it clumps. I'm worried more about the clumping together. There it's pieces that go on top. You can go through the window. There's a window there, window of opportunity. It's a different reason. It's an animal... questions of separation. Maybe you could ask your father about the evolution, about these... Your father is a chacham, something from... from a wineberg or something. I'll tell you this. I know to ask, who knows all the... we're not going to say that everything. See if hashkafah is... There's somebody... maybe talk about in Baltimore. Okay, do me a favor, fine. Lived off their feet. Find out what the mahalach, the... what did people say. I'm going to ask Rav Shmuel, and we'll see. About evolution. Yeah, bichlal, dainus of evolution. How do you take—what's with the kids' books with these...? They watch, uh, National Geographics, World, with the toys and with the yarim and the... So what do you do? Someone asked me a shayla. An adam gadol asked me the shayla. About his school? No, about his house, his school, Beis Yankev, his own house. He asked me about his own house. Kids, the coffee's different. The coffee's just the particles on top. The shayla more would be the clumping of the... Okay. Now, another shayla also, which I think is very... Does it happen every time, that it clumps or just sometimes? Yeah, the coffee, if you don't put hot water, it clumps. That's the way it works. Hot water makes the... Surprise you don't know. My kids live off that. Breakfast, lunch, and supper, because they can make it themselves. I'm spoiled. I put milk. There were times we used to make them food. Now they're on their own pretty much, because nobody's... I remember every supper that he made. Oh, what are you talking... What are you talking... I put everything in there. Till today, I just... everything goes into the thing. They love it. They only know what's in there. Anyways, kids, so there's another shayla. I know that at Yisroel, I remember there was a shayla that the avocado together with egg. They mix avocado together with egg. I don't see it here so much, but at Yisroel they make avocado with egg without mayonnaise.

Eilu is, is that like a also, that has like a certain... But I think with the... Oh, why don't you use the Chazon Ish heter, unless they say it doesn't help you for the egg. He wasn't here yesterday. Tell him over the heter, the Chazon Ish. Say it over, say it over. Come on, let's go, say it over. Huh? There is a heter mevushal. There is one, we don't... But we don't... No, but there's a shailah also by lash. There could be a heter mevushal, but we don't pasken. Rav Moshe held there was a problem, even by lash. Because... I don't know who it was, was matir. My wife called up about making eggs on Shabbos. Eggs because it's mevushal. No, no, no, no, it's not, with two shinuyim. With two shinuyim. So let me hear again. Let's see. He said to put it in in the opposite order. Instead of putting the eggs in and then the mayonnaise, put the mayonnaise in first, and then the way she mixes it. Because it's not a blilah... I mean, it is an... it's not a rakah. So what was the... Say if you make it big pieces of eggs. I don't know. Can I put out a disclaimer, and I don't mean politics. I don't always think that people in the beis hairon pasken. I think they just say shinuyim with shinuyim, with agavurcha, with klach a yad, and that's it. That's what I'm trying to tell you, pensu. You know, I don't get the whole beis hairon. How could you pasken in two seconds? Let me tell you something. But can I tell you the truth? Can I tell you the real truth? I know what I'm talking about, and I can't answer that quickly. I have to think. I mean, a normal man thinks. Only Rav Moshe was able to answer like that. Rav Belsky can answer like that. I mean, only certain people who are geniuses from geniusland could go through the sugya again quickly and answer. I mean, how can a... how can a Yeshiva answer? Maybe something that's not so... It's not. They don't know so much. It's impossible. Only like a Felda that did it a thousand times and he answered a thousand times the same. And I was there, the shailos they asked. Most of the shailos that come in are, could you wash it? Can't you wash? Could you wash it? And then a chanami, on Shverza, he takes out the Mishnah Berurah again to look it up again. But he knows quickly to look up the Mishnah Berurah because he learned that a thousand times. Mishnah Berurah is a photograph memory. You're talking about a gadol. You're not talking about a Yeshiva. I don't understand how these yungeleit... I don't... does it make sense? Maybe the more... doesn't make sense. Maybe they call you, do extra... doesn't make sense. So what do they do? So everything is always with shinuyim... because they're afraid, so they always tell you, do it with ten shinuyim. Otherwise there's nothing you can do. Don't say I said this. Don't say I said this, but I... but I'm telling you the truth. You know it is, I'm telling you the truth. It doesn't make sense. Certain things don't make sense. It makes sense. I mean, look at Reb Dovid. You look at Reb... Oh, you're right, you're talking right. I this. No, I'm close. Come on now. You're desperate. No, I'm not. Don't get me wrong. ... I'm not even going there. You know, I'm ... a rav before he paskened, he wrote a teshuva. He sat and learned the sugya again. What do you mean? You think he just threw out pesakim like that? Who could do it? Reb Moshe was able to do it. Reb Moshe, zichrono livracha, he was able to do it. Who else could do it? Nobody else could do it. Reb Elsky maybe, you know. He told me... in two seconds he remembers all the Gemaras. A good person has to go back. He should be honest enough to say, Let me think about it a little bit. Most people should say, Let me think a little bit. Does he need an answer now? It depends if it's a she'eilah that it's so common and a chanami. But ... with shinuyim, I mean, you see right away he made a... Or they say, One minute, they put you on hold and on mute, and they call some other rav. So then it's a gevaldige zach, that he's a yarei Shamayim, the person, that he's a tremendous yarei Shamayim. All right, listen, the ha'arah was said and that's all finished. I just think it had to be said. Going good on that. A sach, a sach. You tell me it's not a glatta zach. It doesn't make sense. I don't talk about bli'ah. I don't talk about—unless you say this sevara, that it's the piece ha-nikkar, dasya, and you don't need shinui. You don't need anything. And the mayonnaise might not be a nozel, which most acharonim say not, I don't know why, but all right. So if you want to be a renegade, you can come and say. So I said the mayonnaise is not a nozel, maybe. Shinuyim, klach yad—always do everything with a shinui. It's a comfortable way to get out of being scared of something. And then you can also add on the— And mayonnaise can't be a nozel, like the Chazon Ish l'mashal. So you tell me. But l'maaseh, unless you learn that halacha, like Reb Shlomo Zalman, that anything that puts it together, it's a problem. So okay, so then I don't know what to tell you.

Shabzalman is a tremendous chiddush. We're soon going to learn, Reb Shabzalman holds you're not allowed to put false teeth in your mouth on Shabbos and put that gum thing on it, because it makes lisha between you and the teeth and the false teeth. You're mechaber you and the false teeth, so it's lisha. So every time somebody puts tape on, besides for it's tefirah Shabbos, it's called losh? Tefirah is a different she'eilah. Losh would be by two particles. Someone takes tape and puts two pieces... According to Reb Shabzalman it's losh. Ich freg di. Anybody ever heard of a thing like that? It's a chiddush nifla, a chiddush. But he holds it straight through. I showed you all the sefarim yesterday. You saw them yesterday, Yud-gimmel, Yud-daled, all of them are this yesod. And then he talks about it later, you'll soon about the teeth. Okay, we'll get to it a little bit later. Now, so avocado and eggs. Avocado and eggs, I remember that I saw machmat tumah from them. I don't know. Tell me over the chazon ish. I'm not so convinced. Not convinced, what should I tell you? Go ahead, read over the Chazon Ish. Right, because when you crush something, you crush pineapples, it's going to stick together as a mush through its own juice. So whenever it's through its own juice, it doesn't count. So the question is maybe here too, this is through the avocado. The only thing is maybe the avocado and the egg. I don't know, it's not so pashut. You have to have the lomdus of it. That's what I told you yesterday. If the lomdus is that its own juice doesn't count, then even without the egg. But the truth is, I don't hold that's what it means. I hold it means risuk. Ma'aseh risuk is not ma'aseh losh. That's all he means. When you crush something, it's not losh. All right, all right. Tomorrow will always be better. Today was good. All right, God's good. Okay, so this, I am not convinced. I'm not convinced. מסתמא he knows that it's a straw to have avocado with the egg. Remember that? ... used to crush avocado together with egg. Remember it? Remember? Here I haven't seen it. I don't see it here anymore. That's what it is. He's right. He's right. You want to know something? That's the pashut pshat. The pashut pshat is because ... it's a cheap vegetable. Avocado is cheap. No, ... it's nothing. It's, they buy like avganiot, like tomatoes. You know, he said, ... Okay, we can. Now let's get back to the sugya. Avocado and egg is two solids. It's two solids, but you're crushing the egg into the avocado, so it's becoming a lisha, a batter through the avocado. The shailah is, what's that? So you're not using a separate entity, you know, liquid. Real lash, you're mixing water and dough. It's through the water that you're making the kernels become a dough. What are the things you're mixing? The flour and the water? The flour and the water. So the flours become attached to each other through the medium of water. And let's compare that. In this case here, what's becoming? The avocado is becoming attached to the egg. It's becoming a batter. Right, but here the vart is the avocado is a fruit itself, so there's a chazon ish that risuk pri, when you crush a fruit, it's not a problem, even though it becomes attached pieces, particles, because through its own juice it's not a problem. Yesterday I clarified, what happens if you add the juice afterwards from a bottle? He's not only discussing ... he's saying it's ... because he's saying it's not lishadik, it's risukdik. I'm not sure what you mean. He gives two examples. The yesh lahem pesan b'... aydei bisukon. Yep. Oy shesrafan merubah. The sraf, the sap. Yeah. There's no visa there. It's just overflowing. There's so much liquid there, so much main peiros there, whatever, that you maila, it spoos out, whatever, oozes out, and then it comes... You could say that it's even less, but I'm just saying, but let's אפילו מרסק something. The point being is that's not called lisha. It's not a ma'aseh lisha. His heker nekudos is that it's not a ma'aseh lisha. His vort is not so much that from its own juice you can't make leaflash. So sraf, what ma'aseh is going on? That's what he's trying to say, so it's not a ma'aseh lisha. That's what he's trying to tell you. This I understand, but sraf and merubah— He's saying the same vort, that this is not called lisha. Lisha is to add water, because it's not ma'aseh, in other words. Yeah, it's already there. It's there.

What do you want? Well, that's called lash. Okay, let's talk loud and loud. That's what Chazon Ish says. I mean, that's what Reb Shlomo Zalman said. We learned it yesterday. More liquidy it makes it? The guy told me he... he has the... the... You cannot make tchina on Shabbos. You cannot do it on Shabbos. It's only asur to make it thicker, not to make it watery. It's not a problem. That's what he claims. Take out the... I brought it. No, tchina is asur on Shabbos. Go ahead. Of course it makes something thinner. Of course, asur. No, even... because he's learning chibur. He's learning chibur. Yeah, but whatever it is, he said it's only asur harder, not watery. You're going the other direction. Look it up. Let's go, let's look it up. Tchina, look in the back, tchina. He's not going with this. He's not going, because he said even by... shukas asur, kol sheken by tchina, more. Okay, Abaye says, lama... And now we have to talk about this l'maaseh, all right? Look in the Mishnah Berurah. We're in the Mishnah Berurah, the first piece. So we did nun. We finished the whole nun yesterday, Baruch Hashem. Sif katan nun. Mishnah Berurah. So now we have the Mechaber. Mechaber says, go ahead, yeah. So what's kemach kali? Is it a bar gibul or not a bar gibul? That's a very good question, right? But is it a bar gibul? So let's see the first Mishnah Berurah that says it's a machlokes the Rambam and other Rishonim if it's a bar gibul. Let's see the Mishnah Berurah inside, okay? Zogt the Mishnah Berurah, the Rambam, right, two shitos. Now you know what kali? Kali is that you bake it, right, like granola, roasted. Go ahead, yeah. So the whole thing is only a drabbanan because it's not a gibul. Beautiful, yeah? So therefore, it's mutar mat mat. Oh, that's why it's mutar, mat mat. It's mashma if it's a davar which is a bar gibul, there was no heter of mat mat. Zei shteit, right? But then he says a second shita. What's the second shita? Afilu ha-poskim. Oh, so there's two ways to learn. It's only maybe mutar when it's on a drabbanan, which is a lav bar gibul, or by kali, which is a bar gibul, which l'choira is d'Oraisa, af al pi kein it's mutar mat mat. Why? He doesn't say yet. He just says it is. Is it mat mat? Is it a drabbanan, or mat mat is in kali of d'Oraisa, but not regular d'Oraisa? I know, but only by kali maybe. No, it's only by kali, because regular d'Oraisa there's no heter of mat mat. So what is the svara? So if you look at the Biur Halacha, different mat mat. Oh, why is it different? So that was the Biur Halacha we learned yesterday. Oichel tikun ochlin. This is a special svara. Go ahead. Avad it's aser, regular bar gibul is aser mat mat. There's no heter mat mat, because this is a special case. So let's see the Mishnah Berurah halacha. So let's see it. Get to the end, the last line. Get to the end, because you'll never finish with all this. So get to the end. Why is this different? he says, says the Mishnah Berurah. All the way at the end. Oh, so by kali, because it's only taken oichlin b'alma, and he compares it to tavshil, right? Huh? No, but regular flour, you won't have a heter, because it's not edible, because what? It's not k'derech achilah, because it's not edible. So, and hachanami, something which is not the way of derech achilah, then hachanami, you don't have a heter, right? It's only a special din in kali. So either it's because it's Rabbanan, or because it's kali. So what's l'maaseh? So l'maaseh, could we use the heter of mat mat?

You tell me, maybe it's only because maybe we pasken like the Rambam. Who told— you saw in this Mishnah Berurah how to pasken? I didn't see how. The Mishnah Berurah says the Rambam. Kol zeh is the Rambam. Afilu la'poiskim. So who said we pasken like those poiskim? Of course it makes a difference. Could you use the hetter of derech achilah today to be matir losh? On everything, on anything. Could you take gravy—the whole thing is gravy into a tafshil. That's the story of the Biur Halacha. Re'oitiv. That's what he says. So you're allowed to take potatoes and put re'oitiv in, yes or no? Why not? I don't know, because maybe we pasken like the Rambam, only a derabbanan. But I'm asking you, who says that's true? He's saying something else. Even with those poiskim, but how do you know what you hold l'maaseh? Even if you hold— I assume it's... Who says? Why would there be other shitos? What was the hetter of derabbanan? No, but it says... But he says even l'aisa is still mutar. You know why? That's a point of those poiskim. If you hold like the Rambam that the heter is only derabbanan, what would be by de'oraisa? Avada. That you don't know. You don't know. That's a ma'aseh d'kaora, and you have hachra'ah how to pasken; I don't have hachra'ah how to pasken. But he doesn't say the second shitah. He says afilu la'poiskim; he speaks it out differently. And even later he brings the point that a second yesh omrim... The last line. But that's different. That's because of reality. I spoke today... I couldn't, I wasn't clear on this. It's not clear, and Reb Shlomo Zalman uses the heter of derech chachma, and nobody uses it. I never saw anybody use the heter. Otherwise the whole lash goes out the window. I don't say everything derech chachma. Tapuchei adam, he says it's mutar. Let's go read it. Shmiras Shabbos K'hilchasa. Go ahead, perek ches, se'if yud tes. You allowed to put gravy. He says the case on the potatoes, on your mashed potatoes. It's the best lash, the greatest lash you can get. You take puree potatoes and you put the gravy in there. Oh, mashed potatoes. Yeah. That's what it says. It says as far as tavshil, he brings this Biur Halacha. Slow, slow. Bring it to me again. No? Read it inside. That's what it says in this Biur Halacha. This Biur Halacha says that the heter is derech tavshil. Go ahead, continue, yeah. But that's the toichen chelek of it, yeah. And what about the lash chelek, to put the reitiv, yeah? Mutar. Why? So rice. I want to put some sauce. But rice could be its nikar, each piece by itself, and it's not a purei. My rice doesn't come stuck together. So maybe, again, but do you see that he's paskening this b'halachah, yeah? So it's very— I don't chap. The answer is zachus, our rab, no? Anything which is— such a lot to do it, he just says. So I'm asking, so what do you see from here, that he paskens this b'halachah l'maaseh? So which means is, he's telling you that we pasken like the second yesh omrim, which is this b'halachah l'chaira. I have a better kasha for you. I don't understand. Did you read that b'halachah? And you really said it yesterday, and I was going to go into it, but we were too late for Maariv. He's only matir matmat the b'halachah. What, the b'halachah says you're allowed to do it all together? So what's he talking about? What's he talking about? Is he quoting Reb Shlomo Zalman on this?

Because if it's, if it's, if it's a ..., I feel I have to put more years ... So then it's a mistake. It's mat mat. What's he talking about? But really, I don't ... I mean, take a ... by us, it's mat mat. But it's mat mat. So what's your heter of making the pure? He just said, yes, there's no heter. The heter is ... Over here, in our case with the ... what makes it the ... is the fact that it's mat mat. But maybe he's borrowing the general heter ... You like that? I didn't say I like it. I just said, well, maybe ... Go back to ... tomorrow and show him this Mishnah Berurah. Huh? I just saw this and I was ... It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense at all to me. No, I can't. They don't let me. You said look at ... No, it doesn't come to the phone. I got nervous. He doesn't come to the phone. I asked somebody else. Okay, whatever, but this doesn't make sense. Okay, so let me tell you more. First of all, what is mat mat? You know what mat mat is? What is the shinui of it? So the truth is, the shiur of it, the Biur Halacha of the Mishnah Berurah. The next Mishnah Berurah says we don't even know what it is, right? The next Mishnah Berurah ... Okay, so we don't know what it is. So let me give you a little background so you should know a little bit what mat mat is, and then you can look up the Mishnah Berurah and see the Mishnah Berurah really is telling you what mat mat is, if you pay close attention to the Mishnah Berurah. The Pri Megadim, Mishbetzos Zahav, seif katan yud-beis, explains mat mat, that he puts the water in a lot. But in the lisha, he does a little bit at a time. The stirring is done. Because remember, we learned yesterday, the day before, that there's the water part, the putting in the water, and then there's the mixing. So the water you put in a lot. The mixing, that you do mat mat. Okay. The Chazon Ish says... You put the water in, and then you take a little bit and put it into another keli in your losh, and then you put it back, and then you take it in your losh, and then you put it back. No, I'm just telling you. That's not right. You think you're just putting gravy on top of— If you're learning up this biur halacha, and the biur halacha says mat mat, it's not stop putting gravy on potatoes. That's what I want, no? Yeah. ...you put the whole mixture in one thing, and then you take a little bit at a time, mixing, and then you put it, mixing, and three kelim. It's kli shelishi in losh, you know? Three kelim or two kelim? No, three. I think three. I mean, how else would it work otherwise? You're putting the merubah over here, you're putting it on the merubah, you're taking mat mat, you're putting it over here, and you put them all in the kli echad. Are you serving it? You give it to the customer. You're serving it. You know this? This is a ... dish. The Chazon Ish says klar: mat mat. So it's interesting, mat mat is not a shiur. Mat mat is a whole procedure. It's a whole ma'aseh how you can do a little bit at a time. It's not a measurement of what to do. It's, you take it into another... But it's right in the mixing. The mixing is a little... It's all in the mixing, right? It has to do with shinui. We're still going to learn it has to do with shinui, huh? It has to do with any mixing at all. There's a problem of lash. We said that if you put water in without mixing, it's a problem of lash. So what does this help? See, he's learning that the heter of me'at me'at, because only דרבנן over here. Here it's only דרבנן, so the דרבנן, the water is not the problem. The problem is the gibul. So once you have that thing, so you do it me'at me'at in a different way. So we're going to learn about it, aver and rakah. Even the me'at me'at, you'll still need the chiluk between aver and rakah. We'll get to this at the end of Yud-Daled, okay? The Chazon Ish brings at the end of Divrei HaMaskil, Dinim HaOlam. You see Dinim HaOlam over there? Dinim HaOlam, see, right? The same sif katan, I think it is, and it's Divrei HaMaskil, Dinim HaOlam. He goes to the maskanah and he brings the Ramban's shita, that the Ramban learns the me'at me'at means you put a little water at a time. Even if you're putting in a little water at a time, it's good enough. A Ramban, yeah.

Oh, he's megabel kol tzarkoi, but he's putting it in yad al yad, which means a little bit at a time, a little water at a time, okay? Ein darko ela b'meduchah. Okay. ... ונראה דתוספות, צריך לומר שאין דרכו אלא במרובה, not b'meduchah. B'merubah, right. Usually you put in a lot of water at one time, and you megabel and so on and so forth, okay? Continue. Okay, that's already his cheshbon, okay. Now, there's a Nishmas Adam that says, ... how can matmat be a heter? Why chatzi shiur is always asur? So what do you have for matmat? Okay, so that's the ... I know, so that's where we're getting to. I'm giving the introduction to ... Says the Nishmas Adam, matmat means klacha yad. Huh? Do what? Klacha yad. Yeah, it means klacha yad. Matmat means klacha yad, okay. The Iglei Tal taka paskens that it means pachos mikigrogeres. So I guess you have to sit there like Yom Kippur, you know, with the cup. It's like a measurement. ... See, pachos, pachos, pachos, yeah, grogeres, okay? Now read the Mishnah Berurah, you'll see how the Mishnah Berurah was kolel everything, these few short words over there. See what a baal ruach hakodesh. If you chap what's behind in the sugya, can meshugah veren yeder vort in the Mishnah Berurah. Start reading the Mishnah Berurah now. The next one, I don't have it in front of me. Yeah. No, the first one that we just did, what's merubah. Okay, what's that? Ma'at, ma'at. What does that mean? Sounds very much like the, more or less like the Ramban, or that he's doing a gibul of loy harbeh. Okay, but continue, yeah. Yeah. I דווקא don't want it that, because I remember it better that way. Oh, now you see the Shir Graigris. Like, tal. There's so much in this. You chap a tzutza chap over here? Does he mean ma'at v'loy harbeh, in the water, in the mixing? Do you mean groygris? And then later we're going to learn that he tak himself speaks, look in the Biur Halacha. Huh? I'm telling you, see, not like the... So I'm showing you that that's what he's doing. He's paskening this... Un nischazeinish. Ben rako ben kosho. What's that, by ma'at, not to say by even by kosho? Why then? It's Rabbanan, I'm trying to explain. No, this is kali's d'Rabbanan. That's what we just learned. We just learned that kali's d'Rabbanan, or it's tikun ochel, or this case, which is tikun ochel. Okay, go ahead. Biur Halacha. So look at the Mishnah Berurah. We just learned, the Mishnah Berurah says because it's d'Rabbanan. Kali's d'Rabbanan. Because zein derech gibul b'kach. There's no gibul on it. It's not bar gibul. Kali's not... Yeah, you see, that's what it is. You don't take granolas and make a mixture and make a batter out of it. It's not bar gibul. That's what he's saying. Okay, go ahead. Biur Halacha. קוק דער Biur Halacha. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. So try to do b'kitzur. It's like a whole long bihalacha, but there's a few nekudos in this bihalacha, yeah? No? No? Let's go. In beis haira'ah, you have to answer on the spot. Let's go, come on. Okay, so he starts off. They answer everything. They say it's os mutar? I thought they always say everything's asur. I kind of guessed everything's asur. Huh? Listen to me. I know Rav Feld. Feld is meiridik, meiridik in learning. You have no idea how good he is in psak halacha. Rav Feld is meiridik in psak halacha. Meiridik is. He has a glatter kop. You have no idea how glatt he is. His whole mahalach hachaim is glatt. He doesn't see an extra word. He is Reb Dovid. He reminds me of Reb Dovid in a miniature, like a miniature Reb Dovid. He's a big posek. Okay, b'kitzur, yeah, nu. No, no, no, no. How about mat mat b'shaas achilah? He has a mahalach to mishparer as a bihalacha. It's a very interesting mahalach. Maybe mat mat. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, Shapsi. Say it. Take over this shiur. Say it. Okay, I don't know what he said, but in the beginning he says that must be kemach kli is a bar gibul, which would mean that it's a de'oraisa, and it's mutar. I did shinui me'at. Vizeh by kemach she'eino kali...

Then he says, ... he writes that ... Oh, so he brings the Nishmas Adam. Yeah. Because you can't tainah, since you have a big ... Yeah, ... because we're paskening that even ... Ultimately, that ... Yeah, continue, yeah. By a beged, right, you're not allowed to do a rega on Shabbos, right? So even doing on an entire beged just basically is also a problem. So you see, it's not called shinui just because people don't usually do ... Such a delicious biur halacha. Go ahead, yeah. So it's over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then he says, even ... Okay, go ahead, go ahead, yeah, yeah. Okay. Then we say, ... they'll explain the ma'at is ... Oh, so they'll learn the ... again, the hemshach of Nishmas Adam, yeah. I'm at the top of the next page. Go ahead. And it sounds like the ... But emes, ... from this, ... that the peirush of ma'at ... and also ... says this, and the Aruch, and the Rambam, and the Gemara, but by ... yad yarbeh, that the peirush is mi'at me'at. That's what al yad al yad means. It means very simply, a little bit, a little bit, not ... okay? So that's what he means, me'at v'lo harbeh, and not ... yad, and ... means not ... okay? And this that the Nishmas Adam says that the ... called ... That also—I'm sorry, that's Rashi. Rashi that says that, ‘haigovlins kolach yad,’ also that's what he means, since it's with the shinui of me'at me'at, that's what kolach yad means. He means a shinui, not a— Good, good, good, good, good. But we're not noteh from that that it means, and that's this pshat in—okay. But then he has a moiredige mahalach. Me'at me'at means when he's eating it. You saw? Next mahalach. Thus is this—now he's going into a whole new mahalach, go ahead, which is also equally talui in a whole machlokes. You have no idea how—it's such a miyut. If you know the sugya, you have no idea how the—Mishnah Berurah in Yoreh Deah is everything. It's everything. Everything's there. So you saw the machlokes. Now what does he want with me'at derech achilah? Go ahead, yeah, go ahead. I'm not sure where that started from, but he says, really, be'emes hadinim ha'nishnim... kemach ba'alma... and we're not going to be matir kemach kli because of me'at, just like that. Right. That's a— Yeah, and in Orach Chaim, shouldn't have used the lashon of yad, yad; he should have used the lashon of pachos mi'k'shiur, like he always does. Why do you use the lashon of yad, yad? Must be that even if it's a shiur k'grogeres, it's also mutar. Right. Why? Because first of all, grogeres, by the way, also could be called me'at, and we don't find anybody that stresses this point of pachos mi'k'shiur like you— Right, right. And there's a Nesiv Chaim that says that even a shiur k'grogeres is also mutar. So what is the heter? So, the ta'am haheter, l'daas haTaz, d'al yedei ma shemyashshech ha'klayos b'tanur, so that you're drying the klayos in the oven and making it now roi l'achilah, it's considered like something that was already never nispashel, a finished product. And therefore, even though through the nesinas mayim that you put in it, it's going to become niskabel... So, up, you have lisha. Ein ze chashiv kemoi meleches lisha. It's not like meleches lisha, but rather kemoi tikun oichel b'alma, the derech achilaso b'kach. Tell me something. The techinah. It's already made, but you want to add more water to it. What would you call that? Once again? You have techinah that's very thick, but you want to add a little more water. What would you call that? So people would eat from it as is. It's the same heter. What's the same heter? What was the case that you brought me from Rav Forshheimer? Can you tell me the case again? Okay, but give me more or less what you thought. You add more water to it. You're adding more water, right? It's not pshat it's— To make it thinner. To make it thinner. What's this? It's the same thing. So that's mechanami, matmat. The guy— ... got this kid on the way, got lost. No, I don't know. Maybe he's taking a different sevara, but this I would say. This is the sevara that I held, okay? But then he comes and he says, ... go ahead, see the—

הלכה ו'. Inami. ... Go ahead, pasken. Inami, the ... גם כן דווקא באיסור אכילה. ... Stop, stop. This is such loaded — you have, like, a loaded gun. This little bit halacha. Remember we learned that there's a svara of boirer b'shaas achilah, and then we clarified about tochen b'shaas achilah. How about losh b'shaas achilah? So there's a Gevalege Iglei Tal in losh, se'if katan lamed, os chof gimmel. It's not a chanami. Just like by those things there's a heter of shaas achilah, here too there's a heter of shaas achilah. So this is this vaiter. Does he say that that's the halacha, that b'shaas achilah mutar? What does he say? So what does he come out l'maskanah? Hagud vot or the nishki gud vot b'shaas achilah? He said b'kol lashon. As you eat, you do it. So shaas achilah is a heter. Only shaas achilah. But that's a svara of shaas achilah. Only by koli. He says clearly that Rav Chisda בעצם, this svara was up. So the Iglei Tal says it's true by everything. It's not a heter for ... So the Iglei Tal says that it's by everything. What is the Mishnah Berurah? This Mishnah Berurah is mashma that it's a svara, but only by koli. It's a din in the me'at me'at in the heter of koli. Mashma for anything else, there's no heter. So truth, I don't need a big diyuk; it's k'ma'at mefurash in Mishnah Berurah. Se'if katan samech vav, it says clearly. The last five, six words, it says clearly, yeah? Nu, what's zogt dort in se'if samech vav? So losh, paskens — the Mishnah Berurah paskens that there's no heter of losh. In the same seudah, yeah? Kumt a heilige Reb Shlomo Zalman, it's gevaldik. The cheshbon is that went through his mind that halacha is ... So how could you ever eat? You're taking food, you're breaking it up, and together in the roik in your mouth, it's joining back together. It's joining it back together. So, chayrah, you see that shas achilah is mutar. That's more, like we saw in brachos, there's two levels. So I would always told you this. Remember I told you there's two levels: the shas achilah, meaning סמוך לסעודה ולאחר הסעודה, and then there's in the mouth, it's different. Remember we said these teirutz? Nefesh. That's not borer, because you took the oichel. Yeah, that's because you took the oichel. That's because it's called borer. But the question on the way to the mouth—if it's in your mouth or on the way to the mouth? That's different. That's because you're eating the food, so it's anyway not borer. No, you're eating the food and spitting out the thing. That's already different. That's because you're eating the oichel. That's anyway not borer. But what about as you're eating? Zogt Reb Shlomo Zalman, l'choirah, let's learn from here that this halacha of l'alter is mutar, he says no, that's different. Why? Because that's achilah. Achilah vadai is mutar. Just like he says by borer, achilah. You see this too? Is it the heter of shas achilah? Okay, now, what do I want? I don't want you—I don't want me to be part of this conversation. I want you to see in Reb Shlomo Zalman inside, perek ches, ha'ara yud. And he says like—by borer, Reb Shlomo Zalman פשט that סמוך לסעודה is achilah. He didn't go with the derech achilah in Mishnah Berurah. Okay, this I can't remember exactly what he said over there, but the point is over here, למה לנו... Yeah. Perek ches, ha'ara yud. Perek ches, ha'ara yud. Yeah. And then he comes out with a big yesod. When is it mutar b'shaas achilah losh, and when it's not mutar? And he says, gevaldige, gevaldige zachin. When is it mutar? When is it asur? Yeah. It's in beis. It says, V'da'kaim gam im oisekein, סמוך לסעודה. The issur is applicable even סמוך לסעודה, and the bottom yud he says... Oh, good, good. Listen carefully. Listen. Listen how a posik splits the hairs. ... בדין של טוחן ובדין של בורר, ומותר ... סמוך לסעודה. So סמוך is mutar by tochen, yeah. And then the Rashba comes and compares losh. Then he compares... Good, good. Then he compares losh to tochen. Go ahead. No, no, no. ... דיש גם דעות החולקים, ודאי שמותר ... ... עיין בגליון ... סימן ... אלא שהרשב"א הוסיף משום כך, מותר ... גם כל צורך סמוך לסעודה. ...

גבי לישה, כי מאשר האדם לוש בפיו לא קורא כלל בשם לישה. That's called lisha. That's called achilah. What about the guy's eating? סוף סוף מזל. Yeah, continue. ולכן גם לישה אסורה לסעודה, ואין זה נחשב כדרך אכילה, עד כאן דבריו. Oh, that's different. What? What? What? Toichen in the mouth is called toichen, and lisha in the mouth is not called — that's called achilah. But, ... קודם ביאסור. ... Go ahead, continue. But he says more. He says — oh, slowly, slowly. Then he says a ... chiluk. So again, eating is mutar, lash is asur. In the mouth it's not called lash. Comparing before is asur. I would have said that the nafkamina was different a little bit. On the way to the mouth, as you're putting it in your mouth, that's called somech, which is okay. The Mishnah Berurah there talks about lesudah, which is different than mamash somech, okay? Reb Shlomo Zalman holds that's not the chiluk. But then he says a ... nafkamina. Read. ... It's like a hidden yesod in the whole lash. Go ahead. ... What a gevaldige. You don't understand what — like a lamdan would talk, like a lamdan redt. What is lash? Lash is making a baby cereal. What does lash have to do with baby cereal? ... that it has to be dafka l'tzorech afiyah. It's part of the afiyah process. ... Ah, it's gevaldig. Go ahead. ... Okay, so let's learn ... This is, you're preparing food. Wait a minute. You're talking ... בלי לש. What's that? We're taking the halacha. We're taking Michael. That's how he learns up. That's how he learns up the halacha, gevaldik. So meileh, מעט מעט. Isn't that pshat? Ma'amad just means—get up and say it, get up and say it, get up. You don't even know what this ... Reb Shlomo Zalman is. Ma'amad is not a shiur. You see how Reb Shlomo Zalman learned it. Ma'amad is a normal way of preparing food, just to eat. You're not making a cake; you're going to eat something. You're going to eat something, so that's the ma'amad. So why is he asking the whole thing? He's asking all this, mixing cheese and— Why? You don't need dafka ma'amad. ... It's not so poshut. It's maybe derabbanan, a bissel. He says d'Oraisas he's talking. It's verd alst derabbanan. Mishnah Berurah is just saying it's verd alst derabbanan. Any derabbanan, the shinuyim are mutar or not? Derabbanan with shinuyim are mutar, but this verd derabbanan. Why does it become derabbanan for these cheshbonos? This is not kli. That's right. That's right. Don't say Kelly; say Kali, because every time you say Kelly, it rings in my ear like a root canal in the ear. Yeah. If I say Kali—not Kelly, Charlie—which one it is? Why it says aser? Why is it aser? Midrabbanan. He says— I think it's deraisa. Derabbanan. He's going on the tzadim. It's not—this is not to make—going on those tzadim. Okay, let's finish because we have good ... and we don't have minyan, so we have to go back, okay? Ready to go back? Let's go. Yeah, you're good. You don't even know what this is. I'm telling you, they should make this big and print it in front of every sefer. All the rate of the Acharonim is only ... to ... Reb Shlomo Zalman held against this ... It's a whole different ... It's a ... shikul. Okay. Now, rabosai, let's learn weiter in the Mishnah Berurah, that pit and meraglayim. So meraglayim I'm not going to go into, because it's not ... I don't think anybody is doing that in the streets anymore today. They did it. But he talks about something else, about spit. Are you allowed to spit in the street on Shabbos, on mud? Since, remember, we learned nesinas hamayim is already a problem even without the gibul. So ... go ahead, finish. I know I'm doing it on purpose. I'm trying to wake you up. I'm tired. I have a migu. I don't understand. Why I'm tired? I'm just tired. We wake up at the same time. I'm tired. I missed the first three days, so I'm getting like a fraction here.

I try to put everything together. I try to make it that everybody can get a piece, no matter when you come. Go ahead. On the bottom, in the middle of the last here, right? At the end, after he goes through, right, he says over there about Teit and Meiraglayim. Okay, so are you allowed to? Yeah, kli sherokeik bo. You see that over there? Kli sherokeik bo. What's with the minyan here? What happened? That's a ... What? ... What? ... Davening early. What's the ...? What, like a ... minyan or so? It's every night. It's gonna be every night? For me? Yeah. No, it's just one night. Okay, and you was every night, and then you're here tonight for Maariv? Yeah, because we have to make sure. All right, that's it. You see. The only problem is now I have to stop. No, it's okay. Don't feel, feel. We're so happy you come. Daven beautiful on Shabbos. All right, so go ahead. By tit, are you allowed to spit on the earth on Shabbos? Good, let me hear this. No, but it doesn't make a difference. Good, it doesn't make a difference. Talmud chacham, go ahead, let's hear. Good, let's hear. So what do you do with this Mishnah Berurah? Talking about two separate things. We're talking about mazria. We're talking about ... I'm talking about gibul. Gibul, gibul, gibul. You're not allowed to put water on top of earth. Another one. One more. Stop. Yeah, that's a good child. He asked me, What do you do? That's a good heart. Spin to your clothing. Spin to your clothing, maybe. ... I'm ... derech. ... But this is ... this is a ... thing, and I'll spin on the floor. Okay, I guess we'll be mamshich tomorrow, okay? That's it. ... You know what? A gevaldige ma'arech, give us. Listen, if you're not gonna come back again, give me the ... don't bother. We want you. We love you dearly. He told me, he said he wasn't here Shabbos, so... All right, whoever wasn't here Shabbos, they're getting a p'sak. No fault. You do a good job. Whoever wasn't here Shabbos... First time they asked me ... I did a lousy job. Don't ask me again.

En.

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