Hilchos Lash: Spitting onto Earth, Psik Reisha, and Shinuyim in Mixing

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Mishnah Berurah speaks about the problem of losh by tit, right? You're spitting into like a faucet over there, some kind of keli, and underneath he says it's tit, right? So let's read the words, because it's going to be very important, every word in that Mishnah Berurah. Nun ches? Yeah. Towards the end, you know, he goes through the Taz, which we'll get back to. Right. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Oh, so remember he speaks about dak oygas. What's an afkamina? What's the... dak oygas means to do it on another device. Why? Because the dak one is what? By gas is bar gibul. The gas is bar gibul, and dak is not bar gibul. So just keep in mind that he stresses both, okay? Go ahead. Oh, so we're not sure either one, even... Right, l'choira, right? We'll talk about all this. I have a lot to discuss over here. Ah, you'll ask, is it so negea, are we spitting? I don't know, is it such a real serious story? Well, maybe a guy's walking in the street and he wants to spit. Ken, zayin. Huh? What's... he wants to spit. It's a yetzer. It's maim tafel guf, and... it's a gemara. You know, so what's reikus chayav mishum zoreh? What do you mean, chayav mishum zoreh? Huh? Zoreh? What does it say? Chayav mishum zoreh, chayav mishum... That lists the din by borer, the list din by borer. Ha'reikik l'ruach. Your backyard. Your backyard. You want to spit your backyard. I'm saying people aren't spitting as much, you know, in Europe people are spitting all over the place. Yes. And the Bais Medrash was full of earth, you know. Okay. Al kol panim, this is the shaila. The shaila is, what do we do with the roik? So here it's mashma that you're spitting into dirt or grass, and either way, shemur is not sure. Why? Because of psik reisha d'lo nicha lei. He brings a Beis Meir. Continue, yeah. Now, and then l'hashtin is another sugya, and truth is not nogea who does it today. Okay. Now, those days there was no bathrooms, really. I mean, so people, that's what they did. Okay. What's the ma'aseh? Give me a second. What? A kid? Okay, yeah, all right, maybe my kid. All right, ... what do you do? A kid, you want your child to go to the bathroom on earth. Okay, good, ken zayin. Okay, now the question is, what's the issue? L'maaseh you're not going to sit and be megabel it afterwards, right? So this is only the sinas mayim. It's not more than the sugya of nesinas mayim. I'm sorry for bothering you. You saved everything from here. Oh, I was getting a little bit nervous. The truth is, in the back of my heart I knew that you would feel so perfectly that I don't have what to worry, but... let me tell you what we're discussing. You take your dog out for a walk. Huh? So you take your dog for a walk. It's also. Aha, you're taking your dog for a walk on Shabbos in the backyard. Did I miss something? You know somebody has a dog and takes a walk in the backyard in Shatva? ... There are ... that walk with dogs in the street. In Queens, it's common. It's a common practice. ... used to say, when he sees a mention about a dog, his rule is as follows: Vos greser der hunt, alts klener baym iz der balabos. The bigger the dog, balabos to him is a lot smaller of a... There are plenty, yeah. What are you talking about? Well, there's a ... teshuva about it, seeing dog bring into beis medrash. What's it about? A seeing dog. If you're allowed to bring it to beis medrash. Famous teshuva from the ... says you're allowed to bring it to beis medrash, a seeing dog. Okay, now, l'maaseh, so let's see the Mishnah Berurah. What is it, nun zayin or nun ches? Nun zayin. So he speaks about spinning onto the earth through the means of that you're spinning actually into a kli, okay? So there, pshat is it's not even direct, because you're spinning it to the kli, and I guess from the kli it's going onto the earth. But the next case is hatolas mei raglayim, mamash right onto the earth, right? He's being matil mei raglayim; he's going right onto the earth. Mishnah Berurah speaks about two cases: dakin gas.

Thick is d'Oraisa because it's bar gibul, and thin, dak, is considered derabbanan, okay? And the Mishnah Berurah speaks about both, and he says, therefore, it's a safek because maybe he doesn't care for it, it's a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei. But on the other hand, maybe you should say that psik reisha d'lo nicha lei is still asur, it's still a problem, right? That's derabbanan, right? That's where the shailah is. And even the d'Oraisa, maybe because it's only nesinah. That's the safek, right? So the first thing is I want to just point out that something's a little bit muddled here, and I'll explain to you what I think is muddled here. The case is not a regular case of gibul d'Oraisa anyway, because you're talking about just nesinas mayim. You're not sitting there and stirring the earth afterwards, right? It's just derabbanan, right? That's Shin chaf daled, se'if gimmel. Let's see the Mishnah Berurah, halacha, divrei hamaschil ein govelin, that you're allowed to do it l'gabei Shin chaf daled, because let me tell you, the real truth is this is a semi-Siamese twin to Shin chaf daled. A lot of the halachos of lash are in Shin chaf daled. You're going to have to look at it, not like we're flying all over the place, but Shin chaf daled and Shin chaf aleph go together, aleph, beis, and gimmel. So gimmel is about doing lisha for animals, in front of animals. Zogt the Biur Halacha, why is it mutar? The Biur Halacha says because the nesinas mayim is only derabbanan, divrei hamaschil ein govelin. It's only derabbanan anyway, and since it's b'makom hatzorech, so therefore it's mutar, because Chazal didn't aser b'makom hatzorech. Ah, interesting. So the in that the issur nesinas mayim, the chumra, is only rabbanan. But it's אפילו על ידי דרבנן נמי. Right, but it's only b'makom hatzorech. So I have a very big problem. What would you call this? Yeah, I don't get it. To me, I never understood this Mishnah Berurah. Why do you need makom tzorech? Whatever Chazal matir, lashul b'makom tzorech, that's their shitah. Nesinas mayim, that chumra that we take on that's aser, is only shelo b'makom tzorech. I mean, we use it l'halacha; it's not stam a... The Chazonish uses this for gabi a tinok. Since a tinok is a makom tzorech, so therefore it's mutar. You know where else we learned? We just learned in the Shaar HaTziyun yesterday, in pei daled by us. But this is—I'm saying, even if not in the meaning, there was one teretz, could give a... Yeah, but we pasken tzorech; we use it. The Mishnah Berurah uses it. You know where he uses it? In pei daled, l'gabei if you can't do it Erev Shabbos because it's going to ruin the food. Let's say you want to put in the water Erev Shabbos and do the gibul on Shabbos. You have a problem that it's ruining the food, so then you're allowed to do it on Shabbos because it's called makom tzorech. We learned it, Shaar HaTziyun, os pei daled. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, rabosai, I'm stopping for one minute. I want you to see it all yourself. I don't want you to trust me, and I don't want to entertain you. I want you to see—it's devarim peshutim. It's like a pashut zach. I don't get this whole... Me, a person has to go to bed unless the pshat is he has other places to go, maybe. Maybe he has another place to go, and punkt he wants to go here. I don't know. Right, but it says there has makom tzorech. Where does it say here? By us it says makom tzorech? Where do we read? Beis Meir or something else. Beis Meir is in psik reisha. Yeah, but in psik reisha—forget about psik reisha. You don't need psik reisha; stam it's mutar. No, I'm just pointing out that this is also talking about a makom... Yeah, so anyway, right, right. I'm saying you're talking about a regular case where it's a makom tzorech, so what do you have to come on to Beis Meir and be mistapek? It's not even clear that he paskens like the Beis Meir. What's he not clear? I don't see what the Mishnah Berurah is not clear. Pasken the chalein for the beheima, it's mutar. Okay, rabosai, please read the mekoros. I'm stopping for a minute. I don't want it to be—you trust me and you believe me and you like what I look like. I don't care what I look like, okay? Cooked of me like ich bin an entertainer, a spiller. Go read the Mishnah inside. That's funny. All these lines I use in yeshiva already for the last ten years. Like when I say them, you're laughing to me. If I would say in yeshiva, they wouldn't even laugh, because, yeah, because they heard it so many times already. Yeshivas, oh, that's— we heard that one already. Okay, go ahead. Okay, does everybody see the halacha? Shteit klar, b'makom tzorech, beheima, water, it's mutar. It's not asur. The case is you're not mixing it up anyway. Now, do we pasken? We pasken like this. Look at the Chazon Ish, take it out quickly, nun ches ches, that for a tinok that's called a makom tzorech, so therefore you're allowed to put water. The chumra that we say that we're going to pasken that even the sinas mayim is asur, zogt the heilige Chazon Ish, for a child it's mutar, because it's called makom tzorech. That's called tzorech. Doing the sinas mayim for like a baby cereal? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to mix it. Not to mix it would be gibul d'rabbanan.

When you take out each spoonful, that's not mixing. That's math, math. That's nothing. That's really nothing. You got to put water. Go ahead, read it, read. Lein, lein the Chazon Ish. Nun ches, ches. Tenik, when he talks about the tinik. And pei daled is a different type of tzorech. The tzorech is it's going to get root, okay? Then the Chazon Ish says from Shin chaf daled, what do we see? Tzar ba'alei chayim. It's another heter. So what do you call this? It's not tzar ba'alei... The Mishnah Berurah calls it tzar ba'alei chayim. Yeah. Read, read Tinik, yeah. Yeah, which is the... yeah. You have to worry about the nesinas mayim, right? You have to worry about the putting of the water, okay? So this is the... I found this. That's where I found the Chazon Ish. I never understood the Mishnah Berurah. Today I saw the Chazon Ish. Pel, pel, like a Mishnah Berurah. Pel, like a pel, like a pel, like a Mishnah Berurah, yeah? Now, I want to tell you that interesting thing. The Chazon Ish in the beginning says that you're allowed to be matir to put water b'shaas hadchak. You saw the lashon, b'shaas hadchak? Where? The beginning of the Chazon Ish over there, in nun ches, ches. He says that the heter of putting water, even though we say you should be careful, but b'shaas hadchak is mutar. So I want to be me'oir. I saw the Mishnah Berurah and Shin chaf daled, se'if katan yud aleph, speaks about b'shaas hadchak. Maybe the Mishnah Berurah didn't hold shas hadchak is so mutar. Something is going on here in the Mishnah Berurah, because shas hadchak is what Shinchadalet is telling us. So l'choira, shas hadchak means a guy has to go to the bathroom, a guy — that's shas hadchak. No, you can't get better. Well, this story is talking about where you need gibul afterwards. Yeah, but the eini hu is nice. Eini hu is nice in a mayim. What does he need it for? Once you're getting a goy for that, you might as well get... ...chasidishe teivah. It looks ventlach, zogst du. What do you need the goy? You're saying anyway, because you're going to end up getting the goyish heter. Are you allowed to do that al yedei goy the next part? Both. You're doing both al yedei goy. You're doing both al yedei goy. Efsher zogt a good efsher. That's lav davka the Mishnah Berurah. Once you're getting a goy anyway, efsher, efsher. Maybe it's not such chasidish. Vaser shlecht from chasidishe teivah? I say chasidishe teivah. What's wrong with chasidishe teivah? She'eino zachin. But you hear by diuk. The diuk is a she'eino diuk, huh? For some reason, the Mishnah Berurah speaks about shas hadchak mita goy, and here he needs to chap it to psik reisha. So I don't know how it would write over this Mishnah Berurah. Is lashon — halacha l'maaseh — is lashon meaning to put the water mutar for shas hadchak. I don't have a Mishnah Berurah like that. I have a Mishnah Berurah al yedei akum I have. I have a Mishnah Berurah psik reisha d'lo nicha lei. He's recording the Mishnah Berurah. What? He says noyegin l'hachmir at the end. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. Read me over that Mishnah Berurah again. He says, shas hadchak is mutar. No, the Chazon Ish. Ches, that it's mutar al yedei shas hadchak. He's going like Rabbi Yehoshua. Huh? We're machmir like Rebbe. Like Rebbe. But he's going like Rabbi Yehoshua, that the nesinas mayim, there's nothing wrong at all. There's nothing wrong at all, and we're machmir like Rebbe, so you're saying that's why you need shas hadchak. That's why you need al yedei akum. Is that what it really means? I don't know. Look at the Chazon Ish. Look at the Chazon Ish. I think that the Mishnah Berurah seems to not be meikel so much on the shas hadchak. You see from this that he needs a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and you see that he needs the nisna to come al yedei akum. We're saying a pashut zach. A mensch dafkein in beis hakisei shas hadchak. Ein lecha shas hadchak gadol mizu, yeah? The Mishnah Berurah, the heilige Mishnah Berurah, speaks about a beis hameir, a psik reisha. What do you need it for? Nesinas mayim is mutar b'shas hadchak. It belittles us. The Chazon Ish is meir the shaylah. The Chazon Ish is meir that it's a Chazon Ish. He says, ... it's mutar daka. Yeah, he's saying that even like Rabbi Yehoshua, even like Rava paskens, that the chiyuv is only al trei gavra. Yes, the nesinas mayim is a chumra, right? Even like Rabbi Yehoshua. I'm saying, so it's issur mikah, and that issur mikah is mutar.

That's not what it means. Machmir, machmir. But even in that chumra... Yes, in that chumra. So you say whatever it is, either you pasken like רבי or you pasken like רבי, either way it's mutar b'shaas hadchak. But you need the shaas hadchak for Rebbe. Whatever it is, l'maaseh, it's mutar b'shaas hadchak, that's what it's saying. But we're asking now, why do we have to come on to shaas hadchak? That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if shaas hadchak is good, what if you talk about psik reisha? What if you talk about a nakum? I don't see, since when did akum... I thought you just matir for shaas hadchak, so finished. Mokom hatzorech and shaas hadchak might be two different things. I don't know what you call having to go to the bathroom, that's shaas hadchak. You know that you're splitting hairs, minute hairs, but whatever it is, this is called shaas hadchak, unless you're saying, like we said, it's not really shaas hadchak. You really could go later, or you could... Huh? He mentions kavod habriyos, he mentions psik reisha. That's not... So then you have to write this on your own. I'm not maskim. I personally don't feel that way. I don't feel that that's what's going on here in the Mishnah Berurah, shaas hadchak and the mokom hatzorech, the different nuschaos. I don't feel that. I feel that it has to do with shaas hadchak; it's mutar d'nishmot, okay? I'm saying, it could be. Shreib a shtikel Torah, there could be some nafka mina, I don't know. But something is here, ein zach is klar. You know why? The truth is, I don't really care about the dakusdike shaas hadchak. I'm getting to the psik reisha. Maybe it can be matir, and I think we are matir, and I'll show you where we're matir. It's a big sugya, rabosai. Putting an upper latrine—I'm saying putting right latrine, we're matir, and I'll soon show you where we're matir. Halacha l'maaseh, okay. First of all, let me just give you an interesting, an interesting sugya. You know, old men wear dentures. You know how dentures stick together to their gums? They still dentures. What else do they do? They don't lose their teeth anymore, huh? No, no, now they have implants. Implants are very expensive. Good, good. Come, come פה, please. The kidses. Oh yeah, the kidses. So they have this, the dentures. So how do you keep the dentures to the gum? They have like a zaglue that they use. Would you think that has anything to do with losh? In your wildest dreams, would you say that's losh by having the thing stuck to you? What's the ... is it for losh? So the hard tzvi is famous. The hard tzvi used to talk about boneh. What's shayach boneh? You're building, you're putting, you're ... So the Tzitz Eliezer is like answered teshuva, five reasons that it's not boneh and it's not losh. He answered ma'aseh, huh? Ah, because that's what the whole chiddush is. You don't need two things. According to Reb Shlomo Zalman, you never need two things. Reb Shlomo Zalman says any dibuk, anything that you attach two things. So let's learn inside. Shmiras Shabbos K'hilchasa, perek daled, se'if lamed hei. You're not allowed to use that here and put your teeth together on Shabbos. All right. But you're not allowed to put the glue in there. That's how it works. They put in the glue and then they put in the teeth. And the truth is, you have to first—how do you put in the glue? You have to, you know, smear the glue with your finger. So we're gonna learn. Yeah. Dentures. Dentures. That's it. You're not allowed to do it. Chiddush nifla. I get mixed in with the roik. Two things. Yeah, the roik, but he goes through it. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah, a person ain't even doing lishah all the time in his mouth. That's derech achilah. You're not eating your teeth, okay? So before we get to discuss—now, the truth is, I just brought this up because it's interesting, you know, the magnet, the magnet of, you know, what's called—oh, what happened to Shasat Chach? What's—what happened to Shasat Chach? I don't see what he's saying. What's tzachok there? What's the—Ein lecha Shasat Chach gedolah מזו. You're not mamish doing gibul. You're just doing the sinas mayim. Kenetz zayin beser with the sinas mayim. What are you doing? Two steps.

That's one of the ten. ... What are you doing? Okay, I just threw it out. Now let's talk about the maaseh. Mishnah Berurah brings down dak and gas, the two, right? What's the dak? The dak is gibul d'rabbanan. The gas is gibul d'oraisa. Okay. Psik reisha v'lo nicha lei, yeah? What do you do, psik reisha v'lo nicha lei? So he's mistapek. Is there achron in the Mishnah Berurah? There's no achrah, and therefore he says you have to be machmir. The Rama brings down yereidah, that a mohel, when he does the milah, he takes metzitza, and then they spit it into afar. Are you allowed to do that on Shabbos? I think they do. They spit it into ... They put afar there. Are you allowed to do it on Shabbos? ... It's a difference. You're burying the ... ... Yeah, Shabbos. ... Mishnah Berurah brings down you have to use a lot, a lot of afar. It's like, it's, you're burying it. You're doing it for burial. It's a burial of the ... No, I don't mean kisui hadam of a behemah. I'm saying afar, of purah. It's a type of purah. Back to the afar. It's a kvura d'halachah. It's a kvurah d'halachah. Okay, let's go. Yeah, yeah, he was saying kisui hadam, and I didn't ... he meant ... kvurah. Okay, rei samech hei, see if you... The Rama says, ... you're not allowed to do it on Shabbos. Hey, wait, why not? Put it into duct. Loi d'rabbanan, b'makom tzorech, v'ein smuchin, no? Why not? You're supposed to do it. You have to. If this is the minhag to do, there's a reason to do it. ... Leave it to me to come up with that. You know, this is... you're not gonna find anywhere. What happened to this Shulchan Aruch? What's the problem? Unless there was so much ... that... So let's see the next piece of Mishnah Berurah. If there's a lot, a lot of ... the measurements don't fit. Okay, hold this open and let's see the Mishnah Berurah. Go ahead, read the Mishnah Berurah. How much ... Unless there's a lot, a lot of ... Hey, ... So how much already is in the mouth? So maybe the mohel... Huh? No, I'm talking about the mohel. So I'm giving eitzes. I'm gonna speak to the mohel, I think we should ask the mohel, what do they do takah on Shabbos? Maybe they use this heter, they just use a lot of ... Or maybe the Mishnah Berurah was not machria l'maaseh for issur. ... A and B. Who says we don't pasken like the Beis... Reb Yitzchok... Who said over here ...? It means ... the gibul. It's like any other ... Whatever it is, it's this case. It's this Mishnah Berurah. This Mishnah Berurah, whatever it is, it's this Mishnah Berurah. Here too you're doing it, whatever it is. Here too you're doing it into afar, because that's the play. Yeah, but the lashon is not nichalei. I don't need lash. You don't need nichalei to get the dam out of the mouth. Out of the mouth, that's the nichalei, not the nichalei in the lash. Yeah, nichalei is an inyan to cover it. That's what he wants to say, that's what he wants to say. But it's the same story here too; you want to cover it. That's what I didn't understand by reik also. So you obviously did it on the dirt because you wanted to get covered by the dirt, right? And the Teretz is that's called psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, unless maybe haguf is the safek of the Beis Meir, maybe. Maybe it's not a real lo nicha lei, maybe. Show me the Beis Meir. Okay, so I'm going to give you two mareh mekomos that nobody quotes. You know why? Because the Vell forgot about the Gedolei Acharonim. No one knows what to do. Reb Yitzchok Chanan spec'd a good geder for this. Reb Yitzchok Chanan in Be'er Yitzchok, Chaim siman tez-vav, paskens like this Beis Meir that it's mutar by lash, afar, you're allowed to do it. The Marsham in the teshuvos, chelek hei, siman ches also says matir. I've been thinking now for years already. I think my father told me. Why nichalei? Why is it lo nichalei?

Oh, now you're saying tiri; he doesn't remember, someone else's. Yeah, because otherwise I'll do it. If it's shelo, you want to do it? Huh? Oh, the Mishnah mentions eino shelo. Yeah, but that's how it should be nichlal. It should be nichlal, right, because otherwise it would be nichlal. Why would it be nichlal? Because he wants to fertilize it, maybe. He wants to fertilize, as from the fertilization of it. Okay, so first of all, who's getting me these mareh mekomos? Who's getting it for me? You're gonna make copies tomorrow? Beis Yitzchok, Be'er Yitzchok... tez-vav, and you'll get the Marsha. One will get the Be'er Yitzchok, one will get the Marsha. Okay, so I don't know, you'll work it out between yourselves. Oh yeah, you have a computer. Okay, I will look over it. Okay, I will go look over it. Okay, rabosai, we have a lot to cover, so let's move on, let's move on. Rabosai, we just began. Come, let's go. I really want to learn a lot more tonight. Hasham is chelek hei, seif siman mem-ches. Paskens like the... like the Tzemach Tzedek. Well, he brings the... he brings the... I thought I was... I skipped it. I didn't have time to do it, but... I skipped that. It's the main part of... It still gives the ma'al, it's ma'irdik a... It's five pages in this. It's five pages in the ma'al. On... on lash. Okay, let's go vayter. Daf kein vayter, daf kein vayter. Oh, he speaks about... Okay, so we said this. We brought this. No, we were here. We said this yesterday. No, couldn't be. Okay, let's go vayter. Now, let's discuss. Okay, now, rabosai, let's go, let's go. Lomed, lomed. You ready? Okay. One of the main yesodos in lash is shinuyim, okay? Plays a big role. And the shaylah is why. We really spoke about this, so, you know, you're not matir shinuyim, you know, on other things. All... every de'oraisa is mutar with a shinui. So let's discuss. So the first thing we discussed yesterday was the mat mat. Where is mat mat found? That's in the beginning of Yud-Daled. So Yud-Daled is mat mat. L'maaseh, there's another shinui, and that's in the next part of the Rama, in the next part of the Mechaber, I mean, that if you put the food and then the drink, then it's called a shinui. Okay, who's reading? ... Shetita, shetita. ... That's the end of Yud-Daled. First we learned about mat mat, okay? Now we're going to learn that besides that, there's another shinui, and that is by shetita. Okay, what is shetita? How would you translate shetita? And I'll tell you why I'm saying this, because at the end of the shiur you'll see the mefarshim and the poskim bring all the different shinuyim which I mentioned throughout Shulchan Aruch, and you could use them by all cases. And the truth is it's mudneh that it's spread out all over Shulchan Aruch by different cases. Something always bothered me, something a real lamdan has to work on. So now we have by kali we have what? Matmat. By shetita we have... okay. Says the Mishnah Berurah, what happens if the derech is the other way? The derech is to put first the maichel and then to put the liquid. So the Mishnah Berurah is mashma that then the shinui becomes the other way. Okay, read the Mishnah Berurah inside. Go ahead, very good, read the Mishnah Berurah. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, no. He's talking about there, Pesach. Go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, Pesach, the matzah, take it. That's not good, that's not good. Go ahead, yeah, no. Before that, before that.

Right, but in the case of the matzah, you know, you don't know. But mashma, if you do know, then you have to switch it the other way, right? What happens if you don't know? So he brings from the Taz that there's a problem, but the Eliyah Rabbah says, so you do it the way it says in the Gemara by shtita, that what? That you put the food and then you put the drink. The Chazon Ish is cholek on this. The Chazon Ish is cholek, and the Chazon Ish, nun ches, se'if katan aleph, yeah, zokt the Chazon Ish in nun ches aleph that you have no eitzah. Okay, so I can't help it, but that's what it says. You know, I wonder one day if I'm able to hear, to get to hear the other side of the coin always. No, I don't need to—no, I don't need to. I don't have to hear it. The Mishnah Berurah says, Eliyah Rabbah. Eliyah Rabbah is good. Good enough for this. He says by any doo. Where do we see if it's for sure or the other? I never said by any doo. I said by any doo. No, but if you see that if it's taka the other way, then you go the other way. Okay, that's what you see from this Mishnah Berurah. Either you do it this way, and if it's the other way, then you go the other way, and it's by any doo, so you don't know what to do. Right. So the question is, if you're stuck, what do you do? Which means you don't know. At first you're supposed to put—what do you do by the cereal? You have the ... Some people put the milk and then the cereal, and some people put the cereal first. Our people, our people. What is it? Put the finger of ... has to put the water first and then— Yeah, because people put the cereal first. Yeah. I don't know. I know in yeshiva a lot of people used to put the milk and then put the thing. Even my wife puts the milk—in stamazeh, puts the milk and then puts the cereal. In general, what's the derech b'chol? All I'm telling you is that the scientists were cholek already for generations: should you put the cereal first or you put the milk first? All right. Let's go weiter. B'kitzur, what do we have? A klal that you put this, but that's only by shtita, and l'choira we're going to compare it to everything, because you see from the Eliyah Rabbah that when you don't know what the thing is, so we say we compare it to shtita. Okay. Then the Mishnah Berurah says, with the Eliyah Rabbah, nachon l'halech that you me'arev hakli. You see the shinui? Me'arev hakli. Oh, so good, you shouldn't mix it with a kaf, but you me'arev the kli, right? You me'arev the kli. Okay. So now we have another shinui, that you don't do a gibul with a utensil; you're doing it, okay. Does it say— One's in the shinui and one's in the gibul. Okay, but still, you see the klal that there's a shinui called not b'kaf, but you do it with what? With me'arev hakli. Now if we take a look at the next Rama, the next se'if, you'll find another shinui, and that is b'etzba, right? Tes zayin, I think it's tes-vav and tes zayin, right? It says about the etzba, right? Who's—go ahead, read the next one, the next shinui. The end of the Rama, the Rama, no? The third line. The last part of the Rama. Okay, so now—good. So you see that etzba is a shinui. The etzba is shinui. Okay, so now we have the etzba. How come the Mishnah Berurah doesn't quote the etzba? Why does he talk about the me'arev b'kli? Why does he say, Oy oy, betzpa? I mean, how come you have to know Gan Shulchan Aruch to find all these shinuyim? I'm going to show you, you have to know Shin Chavdaled, because two, three more are over there. I don't understand. Can't there be one Shulchan Aruch, matmaat and shinuyim, and what the shinuyim are? Shatita, and this is by chardal. This one is by chardal, right? Which one is this? Oh, it's not... They do it by chardal, they do it. Don't do it. Maybe for the guy himself, the guy drinking coffee, he's in the thing, not for the whole family, for all the guests. People know how to eat. Put on one of those plastic gloves. Oh! So the Chazon Ish says, in case you put on gloves, the etzba doesn't help. Chazon Ish. So it's not a shinui anymore. What's what? Chazon Ish. If you put on a thing on your finger, that's a shinui. It has to be fakel, finger. The dirty finger. Soif seif cut the ches. Nu? Soif seif cut the ches. Nun ches, ches what?

What, I commercial? ... Don't walk into a kitchen. That's what goes on in kitchens. Okay. Oh, they put on the gloves. It's your hope. You make. Huh? What's the ...? He puts a glove on. ... put a glove on. ... It has to be the dirty fingers, and everybody ... That is shinui. Gemi is a rubber. What do you think? ... Chatzitzah. There's a word for gloves in Chazal. Not teivi, taking a rubber thing and putting it around. That's what it means. If you explain it any different, you'll lose your customers for your sefer. That's what it means, no? You mean something that could be like a utensil? No, on your finger. On your finger. Gemi is a glove. ... He's putting on like a little ... Yeah, that's what he means. You put them on. ... as a finger thing, as a finger piece, something. It would be good business, Shabbos. Okay, now, what's the lomdus, the shinuyim if I put a glove? Okay. How about if I take it from one kli to another? Is that a shinui? ... You have to calm down. You're too excited, Baruch Hashem. You have to let us talk here a little bit. Go ahead. Shin chav daled, se'if gimel. If I go from kli to kli. I have a ... I want to speak ... Yeah. Chav daled gimmel. That's what I told you. In every case, we get a different shinui. Every food gets a different shinui, yeah? What does it say over there? Shalom aleichem, nacha shinui. Shin chav daled. You have to wait till shin chav daled. We forgot the first one. Mutar. Why? Because it's vaiter shinui. What's the case over there? What kind of food is it? Animal food. Animal food, okay? So animal food is mikli el kli, regular food, and of course, what's the difference? ... What's the difference? It's a list of shinuyim, okay? Now, I want to tell you there's a me'iri chiddush over here. You think it's an innocent shin chav daled, yeah? You think it's an innocent shin chav daled. The shiva zatzal in the teshuvos, lashon is daled, says a chiddush: menareh mikli el kli only one time, but if you do it shtei pa'amim, shalosh pa'amim, vertes lash, because it's shitas Rashi and the Rambam. I don't know why the yeshiva zatzal paskened like the Rashi. ... Why he decided that. Rashi holds the menareh kli el kli is pa'am achas. Mashen kein, the Rambam says afilu kama pa'amim. So the yeshiva pa'am is pa'am, pa'am, zevi Rashi. ... Take it out, take it out. I don't want you to trust me. Igras Moshe, lashon is daled. Let's go, Chaim, chelek daled, schnell, schnell, schnell. We have a lot to do. Today's ayin daled, daled. Let's go, ayin daled, lash daled. ... Chaim, chelek daled, siman ayin daled. ... What's ... the yeshiva is machria mechtais. I guess like a Rishon, he decided. Only three? Only three? What happened to all— No, no, no, it’s complicated. Can I tell you the real truth? Can I tell you the real truth? We didn’t mention Shas Beir. Something—we’re going to get to Shas Beir. Shas Beir, we’re going to get to. That’s one of the three. We’re going to get to it. Let me tell you, something is not—let me tell you something. Any person, vas vil farteitchn something, something is not klaria, because the shinuyim are all over the place. Something is different, case is different. What’s wrong if you tell me the shinuyim are? I’ll say, one, two, three, here’s why: by shtita one, by oichel one, by morsel one, by chardal—vos tut zich op do. Maybe you could come and say it’s dafka; zogt Rosh Yeshiva, zatzal. Go ahead, nu. ... Oh, does a pam achas. ... So zogt the Rosh Yeshiva, zatzal, how many times can you do it? ... That’s not Rosh Yeshiva-speak. Go ahead, nu. ... Forget—don’t mix in Shas Beir yet. First let’s get to ... clear, please. But he’s not ...

What's the water, is it? No, that we spoke yesterday, how you're supposed to pour the water, a little bit. Some say you got to pour a lot. That we discussed. The pouring the water is a different sugya. Now the question is the shinuy. What do you do with the shinuy? So we have me'at me'at, right? We have the food and then the water, depending on the derech. Then we have that we could put the, right, what was the third one? The third shinuy? The finger, right? Then me'arev mikli itself, me'arev the kli itself. And now we're learning mikli al kli. Now what's called mikli al kli? Rashi holds mikli al kli is one time, and the Rambam holds mikli al kli is many times. Okay. Tell me something. Would you hold that biyad is a heter on an issur, on dough? Because it's a derech, right? So all these heterim wouldn't be by an issur. So something which is the derech to do with your hands. Not a shinuy, right? So what are the cases? You go into the kitchen. What are cases where it's done with the hand besides dough? Huh? They mix something with the hand. Besides dough. They use the two spoons. You guys are very, very clean. Okay, next. Now let's do shesi v'erev. So what's shesi v'erev? If you do it, no? Shesi v'erev, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look a little fumata today. What's bothering? You're very tired. It's okay. Can I tell you the real... I walked in here today and I said to myself, it's impossible. It's impossible. I'm so tired. Then I see the Olam, such a ... I get excited. I get excited. My chaburah, my Olam. Ah, Olam is beautiful here. Okay. Shesi v'eiriv. Igris Moshe, Lash, ois tes. We're gonna get back to it. Okay. The Mishnah itself, ... chamesh ... ... Rosh Chodesh, ... ... Shesi v'eiriv, ... Okay, so l'maaseh, shesi v'eiriv is one of the shinuyim, says the Mishnah, says the Remaisha. And the truth is, it's not his vort, not his vort. You know where it comes from? Shin chav-daled, se'if gimmel. Go ahead, let's look at Shin chav-daled, se'if gimmel. There it says clearly, shesi v'eiriv. So what do I need the Rosh Yeshiva's ... for? I'll tell you what I need the Rosh Yeshiva's ... for. Shesi v'eiriv is in the same movement, or shesi v'eiriv is, I take it out and I go shesi, I take it out, I go eiriv. Well, you're not mesafek ... It's definitely, you can't. So the Rosh Yeshiva's ... says you don't have to take it out, no problem. Ay, the Chazon Ish says you do have to take it out. The Chazon Ish was worried that you'll mix it up regular, but be'emes he meant it, you don't have to take it out also. Ein teshuvos is Remaisha. Go ahead, quick, quick, quick. That's an interesting word. The shesi v'eiriv is ... You know what the funny thing is? They all quote the Rosh Yeshiva's ... The shesi v'eiriv, it's pashut din Shulchan Aruch, Shin chav-daled. Go ahead, read it. Moishe, ois tes. Ois, ois ... What did I tell? Lashd ois tes. So how about daled again, huh? The Chazon Ish maybe? Hey. Okay, either Chazon Ish, yeah. Chazon Ish, the ... you have to take it out. It's got to be you're taking it in and out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, means that the Chazon Ish didn't take it; it didn't mean anything. The Chazon Ish, choshesh shema lo yizor melaasos ... maybe you're not going to be careful; you're going around and around. Okay.

I'm telling you, chaf, taf, hey. Reish. Kfoi teirosa haram. Kfoi teirosa haram. That's how you write to something. Kfoi teirosa haram. Okay. Okay, now, how about, usually people, they want to... quick. They want to be... You ever see you do lash? Do you do lash slowly? You'll fall apart. It has to be mamash, has to. How about if you do lash b'nachas? Is that considered a shinui? What are you laughing for? It is. It's one of the shinuyim. It's the next halacha by chardal. That's the shinui of chardal. The next seif. Chardal. Avada, right away. Nun ches, Mishnah Berurah nun ches. That's the shinui of chardal. Next, no? Go ahead. Chardal, yeah. Yeah, yeah, in Shin chaf aleph, chardal. Not to do b'koach. Chardal shelashu me'erev Shabbos l'mochar yachol la'arvo heim b'yad, heim b'kli, noisein es hasoicha, v'lo yitaref la'arvo b'kach ela l'ma'arvo b'kach. B'kach. Kaf. It's from a chaf, no? It can't be. What do you mean? B'kach. B'kach. Yeah, there's a... gives a... Mishnah Berurah says it's not b'kach, it's b'koach. Yeah, I knew something was wrong. Kaf. B'kach. Okay, b'koach. Yeah, yeah. Koach. That's what I... I know it from here. Here, state this. Here, state this. All right, listen. Can I tell you the truth? I begged the Eibishter for years to let me remember what I learned. So He gives me a little bit, not much, a little bit I remember. Let me tell you, beg the Eibishter, you'll get it. Beg the Eibishter. So things remember. I saw there was something wrong with the word kah. Hey, wait a minute, that's not what it says. Okay, go ahead, yeah. Vaiter. A little bit at a time. Yeah. Like what? Okay, continue. Yes, what does it say? When the derech hagibor b'chaiil, v'cheil mishcholim mishum al yedei trifah. When the derech is b'koach, then there's such a thing called menachah. Damn, easy. It's a thing called nachah. That could be only by chayil, though. But that could be only by chayil. It's easy, relaxed, smooth. So it could be that's only by chayil. Okay, look at the Shaar HaTziyun. Zogt the Shaar HaTziyun that it's davka what? Nachas, v'chein nir'eh laniyus daati, because not everybody learns it that way. Some people learn kaf and koach and anders. Go ahead, Shaar HaTziyun, se'if katan yud-daled, go ahead. V'anius daati. Here the Mishnah Berurah says, Ich shrayb vos ich tracht. That's it. This is what I feel it means. He changes the girsa, and he says, I think that's what it means. V'anius daati, kasavti. Zeh yafeh, zeh farshtey. Interesting Shaar HaTziyun, interesting lashon. Usually he soimech on other Rishonim, Acharonim. He changes the girsa. Says the whole pshat according to it, and he says, Ich shaib vos ich tracht. Okay, now, go ahead, yeah. You have it? You have it? The Shaar HaTziyun, you saw? Okay, very good. Comes along the Biur Halacha, and he says, Since when is— the Biur Halacha— since when is nachas a heter? You know, I'll do the melacha relaxingly, so it's not so bad that I laugh. You hear? I managed to do the melacha; he did it relaxed. I managed to ... not because he felt, because he did it in a relaxed way. It's not shinui. Normally you do it, you're nervous when you do it. Kill them with menachas. Let's see the Mishnah Berurah. Zogt the Biur Halacha, zogt the Biur Halacha weiter. Nu, gei weiter in the Biur Halacha. So what's the teretz, nu? What's the teretz? Really it's ... That's what this Biur Halacha, this is the Shaar HaTziyun.

Told him a whole story. There was nilash mibayayim yech. ... masham shachlas ... גם כן שנעשה מבערב יום, ומה שממחרת ... זה נעשה מעשה לישת כלל, דהא כבר נילוש, ... it's the derech achilah. It's obviously, so therefore you can't come compare. So if someone asks you, is matzah mat, is it one of the shinuyim? Avad, it's only in this case that it was already nilosh, and it's on Shabbos, it's already done, it's already achilah. ... Shulman is like chardal, same thing, whatever is from before. Okay, whatever is the same lumps. Okay, so therefore if you count mat, mat, chardal, you don't know how to learn. It's not what the Mishnah Berurah is, right? Okay, because this is a special case. Now there's one more that the oilam doesn't talk about. I know that by the Beis HaRav ... they had to have a big inyanim with this one here. Let's take a look at Shin Chav Daled. When he speaks about the shesi v'erev, he doesn't talk about regular shesi v'erev. Yeah? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Shesi v'erev, yeah, no? What are we looking at? Shesi v'erev to Shin Chav Daled, gimel. What are you doing? You just, Rabbi, you just jumbled those words, because I know, I know, I understand. I don't blame you. It's tarvid. Tarvid is a—it's not tarvid. Like a skeleton, a bone spoon, a tarvid, yeah. It's like from a bone. Yeah, tarvid. Okay, so says the Igros Moshe, tarvid is a type of— which means it's not a normal thing. It's—you took a person—huh? I know this is a punctured animal. It was—it's like the Flintstone. A spoon, you know what I mean? It's a spoon. I don't know if it has to be a bone. It means it's a type of, the spoon that was called a tarved. I don't know, it's like a... The kitzur, so the tarved you're taking becomes a shinui, yeah? All right? So, zogt the yeshiva Zatzal, igres Moshe, los os vav, that, oy bazoi, if you want to use a spoon or the back of a knife or some other... so you're allowed to do lash with that. You're allowed to do lash with it, because just like tarved is. Now the thing is, I don't understand, tarved is mashma together with shesi v'erev, and it's a problem sibah for tarved. Yes, I don't really know how this... So let's see the yeshiva Zatzal, and I know my auntelzei that was matir this also. You should take a toy like, you take a spoon from not a real spoon, not a toy spoon, but some kind of a toy or something that's not a spoon, and you could use... I went up to shesi v'erev. I don't know, the yeshiva Zatzal also says it. Go ahead, let's see. No, no, no, os vav, os vav, let's see. Same thing that we learned by techinah. So he's comparing it to techinah, yeah? Ad kan. That's what it is. It's coming from tarved. Who said? Maybe it's also shtei... I don't know. He just said, is this a shinui? I know my auntelzei also held that you could just use it. One shinui. So I think the Minchas Yitzchak also says it, that that itself is מספיק for a shinui. He's saying, look, the... the same thing. What? I'm telling you that this is such a ... that it's mutar. That's the shinui. The tarved verte is a shinui. You see, if shevi says, he didn't say you have to b'shesi v'erev. That was the question. The question was, that's the sugya of tarved. The sugya of tarved is that you're not using a regular spoon. That's tarved. You have to see the sugya of tarved. Tarved is you're not using a regular spoon. So since you're not using a regular spoon, it's a shinui. The shaila is, which shesi v'erev? Shulchan Aruch is mashma, which shesi v'erev? I think Minchas Yitzchak says that any type of... And it's not a regular lush object, so that itself is a she'eilah. ... She'eilah itself. ... I don't know. I don't know. That's what I'm asking. So who asked you that? Me. I just asked you. That's what I'm just asking. ... that you need both. From here it's mashma you're taking the tarva and making she'asiyah. ... seems to say as long as I use the back, it's good enough. I don't know, so what happened to the she'asiyah? ... I don't know. ... You're gonna work on it? That's all. ... Who's my baal ma'iv tonight? ... We need him. We don't have? We officially have, we have, just... He's over there. All right, ... I'll give you some more. I want to teach you, you know, ... I have a ... for Hodu LaShem ...

Beautiful thing. They said by me in yeshiva. I taught it to the guys in yeshiva. Yes, I taught it to the guys in yeshiva.