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Hilchos Shabbos: Buying, Measuring, and Discussing Quantities on Shabbos

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On Shabbos, Ramos says it's mutar, okay? And I'll be menader. On Shabbos, I’m makdishin, and I’ll be makdish, mechamemker, it’s a big sugya. Also, talnish piskois, that’s a Mishnah...

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On Shabbos, Ramos says it's mutar, okay? And I'll be menader. On Shabbos, I’m makdishin, and I’ll be makdish, mechamemker, it’s a big sugya. Also, talnish piskois, that’s a Mishnah Berurah, so we finished it, no? Tosafos. To put the paper clips? No, no, no. Let’s say he doesn’t know who to call up for the next aliyah. He has the box of cards. Shabbos. Doesn’t know who what? He doesn’t know who should he call up next for aliyah, right? So he’s gonna pull out one of the cards from the box, and whoever it is, we call up for aliyah. Why? Because he’ll make a goral. It’s a goral. So what he should do is look through, decide who you want to call up, and call someone. Unless you say a p’sak she’eilah chiddush. I was thinking about it after you said it, while you were saying it, I was thinking that it could be goral when I put my name into the hat. But just that you choose somebody, like a breirah, it’s not exactly a goral. Every time it’s a goral. The gavra just decides who he wants to give to. What’s a goral? No, but that’s not a goral. What’s the difference? That’s not a goral. And that we already spoke. We said from one to ten, if you want to make a thing of one to ten, that’s not a— we spoke about it. That’s not a real goral, taka. We said it. Which is even more. It’s a case where I say, pick a number from one to ten. Where does it say this? Mishnah Berurah, siman קכ״ג. Chav daled. It’s not about— ... מישיאל ... ... אסור. What? It’s a goral. It’s a goral. We learned this. There’s a new ... called a goral. Either midah or mechamemker. Okay, we did this yesterday. Come, let's go back. Daf kuf. Daf kenen. Okay. Dinei hashala v'kinyan, tzarkei Shabbos, hadachas keilim, tikkunan, tefilasan, ach, azoi fil do. Okay. Mutar loimar l'chaveiro. A person, a lot to tell his friend. Go ahead, Rabbi, you read. Mutar loimar l'chaveiro. Even if it's miyuchad l'midah, we don't care. You could say, Fill up the kli. Okay? He's getting something from a person, and it looks like mekach umemkar, because if it has a midah, you'll end up paying for it, right? It's not for free. And even if it's not mamash for paying, but it looks like mekach umemkar. So let's see Mishnah Berurah. After Mekach uMemkar—go ahead, read Mishnah Berurah. See, he's not maskim. Right now we're learning that's a case of regular mechirah, okay? So the only thing is, he's just not saying mechor li. So let's say a guy has, you know, he sells milk, he sells soda. Avada he do it. Come in, fill up a... Avada, no. That's the sugya. We're going to learn it. Used to go to the baker. Used to go and fill—let's say if a guy was missing cholent on Shabbos, so he would go over to his madanimuchan, or whatever it is, give cholent, and then we'll take care of it after Shabbos. So we're going to learn today how it's mutar and how it's asur, when it's asur. Al tidos rechtem. How could you buy stuff on Shabbos? That's the... Okay, so what do we have here? And they have set up special — a guy has special for people that need our Shabbos. He's smart. It's a whole business. He's very smart, a kluger mensch. People come in. A kluger mensch, a kluger mensch. He knows, you know, Shabbos cholent is the bestseller. He carry it home. Nish far de cholent. This is a prime example. Maybe, maybe have a... some of the things that he's doing... Maybe the... Maybe the... They sit in the thing. They eat it over there. The restaurant. We'll talk about all these halachos. So the question is mechirah, zogt the Mishnah Berurah, that you see even b'peh — even b'peh. Where's the kinyan? And you see klal, even on a kinyan. People come and say, There's no kinyan, no kinyan. It's mutar. I'm not buying, I'm not selling. See clearly, you don't need a kinyan, as long as you say, mecholi shekanasu. What do you mean, where's the kinyan? Where's the kinyan? He says clearly, you're not allowed to say, V'afilu im mutar loi b'lashon, eino oimen b'lashon mechirah, mechor li. Right, right. So if I would say, Mechor li, the words, be asur.

Say, let's say there was no kinyan. Wait, where's the kinyan? So what's being mechayev him? Where's the mechirah? Maybe it's hashala, maybe you're borrowing it. No, it's food. Food over here. The guy gives me food, right? Mekach umemkar. Not hashala. Hashala is only... How are you moiche b'peh? How are you moiche b'peh? You say. Again, so then your case is mesirah u'mesichah. So what do you mean b'peh? You see, you know what it is? You didn't read the Mishnah Berurah. It's not my fault. What am I supposed to do? He says clearly, the second case is your case: mesirah and meshichah. So it means he slapped the child. And the Teretz is even unslapped the child. Matanah she'lo al menas l'hachzir b'peh, mecharli. I'm not saying— you know what it is? People run through this Mishnah Berurah, they don't realize. He's saying b'peh, v'echad ha'moiche b'peh. That's what it says. I don't blame you. I want you to know, I know that people don't read this Mishnah Berurah properly. They just run right through it. And even if there was no mekach umemkar, really. That's what I'm telling you. That's what it says here. But you have to read the Mishnah Berurah, and that's what this shiur is all about, to read. He says it clearly: afilu v'echad ha'moiche b'peh. Aleph, Rambam. Dabur davar. Good? Beautiful. Would you know that if you would zoom through it, that I told him, and I— we're talking about, I didn't even take it. I'm not gonna come and say mecharli. Does it belong here? Das is not kasher. Give me, I need a fan. I see it. Why don't you start asking me, it doesn't belong here, it doesn't belong there, I need a fan. Das says— where is the siman? Das is not here. It's further on. Shin vav. Okay. But this is mechirah, that's why, because we're handling mechirah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's all together. Okay. Al kol panim. We write about this. You see the—it's not the way everybody reads it. So if I go over to you and say, by the way, I think I'm going to buy from you on a kinyan. It's shaves geret, right? Soveret is asur, as I stated. Okay, so you remember I taught this to you. Please don't make the same mistake. Kamoiche b'peh, because if it's that I took it, so then it's mesirah and it's meshichah. Chei medidah, she'eino shel mitzvah, gam kein asur. Afilu hamutar loimar b'lashon zeh, she'ein omrim b'lashon mechirah mechar li, v'eino mazkir shem midah, rak kli zeh stam. So kli zeh stam is mutar. So when does it become a problem? So Shulchan Aruch says a chiluk. Go ahead, R' Moshe. V'hani mili k'shenatal lokeach midah shel mocher, u'molichah l'beiso. The next mechaber, continue. V'hani mili... So you're taking the midah shel mocher, u'molichah l'beiso, right? So what do you see from here? That the only problem is if it's done in a way that's normally done for mechirah, which means it's the same ma'aseh, right? V'hani mili k'shenatal lokeach midah shel mocher. No, I understand, but you're doing the same act. You're being modeh it, right? And you're taking it. And what's the other case? If the lokeach is bringing it from his house. Also, it's... Now the truth is, I was thinking, do we have this today? I don't even think we have the whole story today, because, okay, unless maybe with the tape measurement. No, tape measure. You know how much it took, so how much... That's not, that's not awesome. There's no midah. You don't come to a guy and bring your chunk pot to tell him to fill it up. I never saw today. You know, you know anywhere in the world where they sit there and then there comes a klei midah that you're measuring it? No. They know how much. When you buy ice cream, when you buy ice cream, they know. Fill up the cup, fill up the cup. Yeah, but who brings the klei midah? No, the moiche has. That's what I'm trying to tell you. There's no story of you taking the klei midah with you. There's no stories on closed anywhere. Where are you going to? No, so I tell you, tell the guy, where you go to a guy, what's he going to learn about by going to a guy's store? So I'm asking, I'm just— What's? Today it's done by the pound. So that's what I'm asking you. Well, I'm saying is, give me l'maaseh. I don't know how it's l'maaseh, chaveis. I don't know the case where it's l'maaseh today. You know a case where it's l'maaseh? I never heard. I'm saying I don't know what it is. Especially to pour from the— Yeah, moiche, l'keiach, chaveis. I don't know what it is. How did it turn from a cask to a— Yeah, so say you come with the pickle jar, his pickle jar, and you take it home with you.

The only thing I could think of is if you come with a tape measure, and I'm just clarifying. I don't say, let's say it's not food. Who says it has to be only food? Who says it's a tablecloth? I came with a tape measure. If I use his tape measure or if I take his tape measure home, I just... Kol inyan kli, midah shayach b'zman hazeh? I don't know. Maybe it has to do with a tape measure. I don't know. Okay, but I have to learn with you. Just give me some water. Okay, so al kol panim, keep in mind, פירוש שרגל למדוד ולמדוד. ומוליך לביתו, שאין זה דרך מקח וממכר, וגם לאי מחזי כעובדין דחול. Now, I keep this in mind. There's two sugyas, rabosai. Don't learn the sugya only mekach umemkar. Keep in mind עובדין דחול. שזה אפילו משכיר חברו בדרך מתנה, דרכי גם כן לפעמים להשכיר בכלי המיוחד למידה. This is very interesting, because if you do it דרך מתנה, and you do it בכלי המיוחד למידה, so therefore it becomes עובדין דחול. He said, now... וגם לאי מחזי כעובדין דחול. Why? שאף המשכיר חברו, because if you have a guest, you don't have a kli. Right, that's mutar. I'm saying, but there's a yesod here called עובדין דחול. Now, is it asur? I'm saying, וגם לאי מחזי כעובדין דחול. But if you would have such a case that looks like עובדין דחול, if you have such a case, so what would be that case? I'm trying to get... and it's also not עובדין דחול because דאף המשכיר חברו בדרך מתנה. Why would it be asur? Huh? Why couldn't there be a case where it is עובדין דחול? Maybe there's no such story. Maybe that's what the Mishnah means. There is really no such thing. Don't, don't, don't, don't attack me with the ... because it's not... Now how would it be ...? I put something in a pot, it becomes ...? It's ... It's ... I'm not sure. It's a whole... I'm not sure what ... means. Eating is... Two chalos, you're allowed. See, a lot of ... give me the... What's the ... about? Yeah, so what's the ...? That's what I'm saying. So what is it? All right, so we have to work on this. What's the ...? I have a mahalach. At the end, we're going to come back to this, ... What is the ...? Okay. Anyways, go ahead. Who's reading more? Go ahead. Vaiter. Aval limdo. But to be ... b'kli hamyuchad mipnei shezeh derech mekach umemkar shel chol. What do you need the ... for? Just say derech mekach umemkar. What does he want with chol? What's ... with chol? And the teretz is mekach umemkar is not asur on Shabbos. Derech mekach umemkar shel chol efshar. What does he want? What's ...? Huh? Stam mekach umemkar, I'll do business on Shabbos. Unless the whole business is only altz, altz, altz... I thought mekach umemkar is altz kesef. It might come to... What's the ... for mekach umemkar? There's two reasons, no? Maybe that's what I'm trying to say. There is ... in the sugya. I hold there's ... in the sugya. ... epes likta, something is here. Yeah. We just said these things are mutar. I understand, but when he comes to aser, just aser because it's mekach umemkar. What does a mechamem have to do with the chayil? What does chayil have to do with anything? First case is also mechamem. Yeah, but it is derech mechachumemker, and this doesn't look like mechamem because it's not normal mechachumemker. It's not the way it's done with the chayil. It's not the way it's done mechamemker. It's not derech mechachumem. It's not derech mechachil. Chayil has to do with them. It's not derech mechamemker. It's not the way you buy and sell. You see, it's going back with something with over the chayil. That's what you see from this Mishnah Berurah. It's not going with the ... chayil. Obviously. And mimeila, what happened to the other mechamemker? What do you need chayil for? Chayil has nothing to do— I'm not saying anything. He's saying mechachumemker shel chayil. He's saying something. It has to do with chayil. I hear the ha'ara. I'm not hearing what the ... Keep it in mind. We're going to say a chiddush nifla at the end of the whole business, after we learn all the Mishnah Berurahs, okay? Now, hagah, go ahead. Who's reading the Rama? Yesh mekilin ...

It's not done normally. The way it's normally done in the weekday. No, see, even though you could give him sometimes b'midah, so therefore it turns into not uvdin d'chol, forget mechumemka, that turns into—it's normal, so therefore it's not uvdin d'chol. Not uvdin d'chol. Because even when I give him matanah, uvdin d'chol obviously means that the way I do business in the weekday. That's what I'm trying to explain to you, that it starts off saying here, she'ein ze derech mechumemker, that's one nekudah, and then he's trying to say, v'gam loi mechzi k'uvdin d'chol, because mechumemker is done during chol, so therefore it must have something to do with chol, and the answer is, af al פי כן chaver b'derech matanah, which is not about mechumemker is done this way. You see that it's a mechumemker of chol. I keep on pointing out that you see that there's two— I see from here that there's two parts of the sugya. There's one part of the sugya, mechumemker, and there's one part of the sugya, uvdin d'chol of mechumemker. That's what you see from this. And you see, he goes to the next level again, aval imdei shehu derech mechumemker shel chol. For some reason, the way it's done in the weekdays becomes a problem on Shabbos. No, so giving matanah means it's not mechumemker. That doesn't look like mechumemker. So you're saying what we're saying. So why do you need all that? And the answer is, because since it's a matanah which is not asur, matanah is mutar. So by giving it like this, you don't see mekach umemkar. There's two halachos. There's one which is mekach umemkar, and is domeh l'mekach umemkar, and one is which is domeh to chil of mekach umemkar, al tz the chil. That's what you see from these two Mishnah Beruros. We'll soon see an afkamina. Okay. Hagah: v'yesh makilin loimar, chal she'eino mechaven l'midah legamri, she'mairi noysef me'at, shari. So I would taina, because that's not called midah, right? That means you're not measuring it, really. That's what you would say the pshat is. If you're not mechaven for giving a midah, it means you're not measuring it. A dilma, you could say a gevaldige vort. A dilma, you could say a gevaldige vort. Here, I hold, and I'm going to prove this to you, that in order for it to be aser, it has to be b'kavanah for mididah. It's not b'kavanah, right? It's not so much that it's felt in mididah; it's felt in kavanah. Chal she'eino mechaven l'midah. I want you to, if you underline these words, you're going to see a moyridike yesod in these halachos. Underline these words: d'chal she'eino mechaven l'midah. It's not so much because there is no midah. Yeah. Let do it to the exact one. You want to know? I'm doing it off. I'm doing it off. You gotta say that. ... perfect. So I'm telling you, that's one way to learn. One way to learn it is, l'maaseh, that's not called midah. So meila, it's not called measuring. It's not called measuring. If you measure a suit b'erech, that means you're not measuring it, right? Just measure. Other pshat is, it's a din in kavanah. Midah is also when you're mechaven for midah. But when you're not mechaven for midah, it's not also. You want to hear a real lomdish vort? I hope, and I'm cheating now because I want to tell it to you later, but I'll tell it to you now. It's not in the ma'aseh. It's to have something mudud. The issur is not in the ma'aseh; it's to have something mudud. It's totally תלוי. If you want to put it in the chol, then it is a ma'aseh. Exactly. Depends on what the problem is. The problem with the sugya is—okay, so let's wait, let's wait. You're gonna enjoy it. If you just pay attention and go slowly, you'll enjoy. Okay. So let's go weiter. Okay, so remember, we learned diyuk number one, which is very meduyak. You want me to cheat a little bit? Are you allowed to take temperature of a person on Shabbos? Say that again? Temperature of a person. Can or can't? Are you—

Nice, a medida. You should not be modeh anything. But what about... But what if something? With, with, with... But what if you're talking like, let's say someone uses, like a mom. No, no, she's saying with the temperature. What if they do it by hand, like not a device? Oh, so that's a good... You're not doing it, that's not... How do I say grandma in Yiddish? It does with the hand. They used to put your neck to the... to the grandmas. Yeah, grandma. I don't know how to say, like, in Yiddish... Bobby. Bobby, yeah. I'll just say, what if Bobby goes like this? Say, okay, you're okay. I'll tell you what, through the course of this year I'll think about it. Let me think about it, because it's a good... It's under review. It's under review. Let me, because as we get, you know, the klalim, we'll see how to be machria this. Okay. Okay, so far all my thing is that I want you to know that it's asur b'peh, which people don't know. Which means even if there's no buying and selling, all I tell you is maybe sell me a chair. No answer. She'ein osur. Maybe you sell me a... You know how many chalukim? That's mutar. Sell me. If I use the word sell me here, that's one nekudah. Then I'm saying, write this nekudah. Okay, okay, relax. The second nekudah is, is the kavanah here that it's not a midah because I'm off. Like Reb Chaim said, a tie that's dirty is just a tie. I'm not selling... a tie that's dirty is not a tie. So too a midah that's off is not a midah. You measure it here. Tell me, how old are you? Be'erach fifty, sixty. I'm be'erach. See, that's not measuring anything, right? Or the pshat is, there's a din of kavod. You have to mechaven l'midah. I have no idea how many chilukim l'halacha come from this. We're going to learn from Reb Shlomo Zalman, interesting shailas. So just keep in mind, the mechaven l'midah. He's mechaven more or less, and that's not a problem. Okay, it's not mechaven l'midah, okay? It doesn't make a difference. That's what I... Either way it doesn't make a difference, truthfully. It's a drabonon anyway. But the shaila is what the lomdus is. I know you're trying to make an afkamina. If it's a... I see you have the midah, but if it's a kavanah, you lack the kavanah. All right. Chein ha-minhog, chein ha-minhog, pashut limdoi. Who's reading? Go ahead, read. Chein ha-minhog limdoi. Yeah. We're not doing the exact midah. Right. ... tama mekilah. Okay. Good. Okay, aval limdoi... v'yesh mekilim, hainu d'zeh ein issur al hamoiche limdoi, lispol l'tochelov shel likeach. Okay? So this is, v'yesh mekilim, l'chol she'eino mechaven l'midah is good. Wow. Shemema'et, v'ein mizeh mishum gezel. Ay, what about gezel? ... v'chein ... l'hatil tabaas b'midah, v'zeh heter l'moicher. What does it mean, tabaas b'midah? Where is that, tabaas b'midah? Tabois, I guess, on Shabbos, what do you need it for? Daled kavanos... masha hamishalkeach maskir shem midah, ein dai b'heter zeh. V'zeh ... siman ... b'ra tama mekilim, hain af mashma mekilim l'haskir shem midah. Right, we're gonna learn this. But what is the case, l'hatil... I know, brings out what? Put the ring, it should be spilled over a little bit, to mema'et the midah? That's what it means? Maybe, v'chein nohagu l'hatil tabois b'midah. No, v'zeh heter l'moicher. I don't know what this case is. I'm not even sure what the case is. L'hatil tabois b'midah. Anyways, al kol panim, there's no problem with gezel. She'dua l'baalav, she'dua l'baalav, shehakol regilim b'kach. You know, he asked me this shaila. I want to tell you, they came to ask me in the diamond business, when you say, you know, how many carats? There's three, there's four, right? So everybody knows that when you say three, you don't really mean three. It doesn't mean three, because you mean it's actually a little less, and you say three. Meged does ton. Meged a little more. I'm saying it's a little more, but no, I'm saying for carats, a little less. It's a little less, and you say three. So I looked at the guy and I said to him, What are you talking of? Of course, you know, I mean, what's your shaila exactly? So he told me, What do you mean? But everybody knows. I don't know, I don't know. Everybody knows, he tells me. So what do you do?

Lebaalah, what does that mean? And the answer is, you do a lebaalav. That makes it mutar. I'm saying, so what's the teretz lebaalah? It means the seller. What's lebaalav? I mean, everybody knows, mamash everybody knows. I don't know what—I think he means period. Unless he means Shabbos. I don't know. I'm mesupak what it means. That's why I'm telling you the story. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. I don't know. Maybe it's lebaalah, period. People don't know exact, exact. Tell me, you ever saw when a guy measures... Maybe he's right. He's right. Not necessarily. Maybe he's right. Maybe it's dafka biyontif. Yeah, it's a good thought. Okay, let's go weiter. We're just learning here. There's a lot of learning to do here. Okay, okay, come, rabosai, we have to, we have to. You know what the problem is? I feel like you're competition for me. You're so good. You're that good. I'm gonna let—they're gonna stop listening to me and they'll listen to you. What's gonna happen? Do you know that the goyim don't understand? What's the truth? They don't give receipts. I was explaining to Rabbi Tamman. No, it's true, right? They don't give no receipts. You understand? You understand? I have no idea either. No, they don't give any receipts. Okay, we'll do this later. Come. Don't worry. Come to me, you get a receipt. Okay, thank you. You want a receipt that you came to the shiur, I'll give you a receipt. Thank you. Write you up a receipt that you came to the shiur. Okay. Now, yisbar b'sam, chayish matzas mashpam, mutar l'hazkir af shem midah. We're gonna talk about this. There are times where you can be maskir shem midah. Okay, let's see. Beis. Now, beis is complicated. I'll show you why. Mutar loimar l'chaveiro. Now again, rabboisai, I ask you to be patient. Read a little bit. And if it means that tomorrow we get into the ... the heart of the sugya, so it's tomorrow, because you really have to. Okay, whatever, so the day after. Whatever is the day after, whatever, we'll do it the day after. Mutar, yeah. Zogt the mechaber: mutar loimar l'chaveiro, malei li kli zeh, u'lemachar nimdod oiso. Morgen, morgen vet men dos ton. So fill me up the kli. We learned this mutar. Who told you? No, because you don't want to say that you're going to... No, nimdod oiso. It kumt tzu cheshbon, that's all it means. U'lemachar nimdod oiso. Let's see a Mishnah Berurah. Mutar, hainu af sheha'medidah asur b'Shabbos v'Yom Tov, mikol makom mutar l'hazkiro. You're allowed to mention. No, because if you're not really doing it, so what's the problem? Because you're mentioning it. Va'ayin Biur Halachah, d'asur loimar davar ploni eisel l'machar. Ah, you're not allowed to say davar ploni eisel l'machar. Tachshed, hainu vas mit ton morgen. V'hu l'mishum shehu l'tzorech Shabbos hitiru. Now keep that in mind, and I'll explain to you why. Oh, that this is the whole sugya I hold is maybe b'tzorech Shabbos. If you takke don't need it, I don't know if all these halachos... Agav, it's not anywhere in the poskim that these halachos are only when you need. סתם it's mutar. Dishmat mechamecha. Unless you say that it's dafka when it's real tzorech, when you really need it, or the pshat is like the Aruch HaShulchan, if you want it, obviously it becomes a tzorech Shabbos. You know the famous machlokes, Mishnah Berurah and the Aruch HaShulchan. Mishnah Berurah says you're not allowed to pick up silverware for nothing. Aruch HaShulchan says it's not for nothing. What do you mean? Because if you're doing it, obviously it's not for nothing. Why are you picking it up? Because you're enjoying it. So it's not for nothing, says the Aruch HaShulchan. There's no such tzorech. According to Aruch HaShulchan, there's no problem touching silverware ever, any time, anywhere. Mishnah Berurah says it's only since it's a heter for eating, so when it's l'tzorech, because you're not allowed to take a kli shelo l'tzorech. Muktzah, muktzah, muktzah. Nothing is muktzah l'issur, but silverware is not muktzah l'issur. Tiltul kli shelo l'tzorech, according to Mishnah Berurah, is asur. You're not allowed to be metaltel a kli shelo l'tzorech. It has to be only l'tzorko, says Mishnah Berurah. For no reason, you're not allowed to touch it.

Oh, so that's what they shtel it to, to this Mishnah Berurah. But the Chashul says no such thing. If you're touching it, that means you want to touch it. That means you're touching it means you want it. I'm not saying. All I'm telling you is, do me a favor, just write down these words: l'tzorech Shabbos, heter. Yeah? If it's not l'tzorech Shabbos, why wouldn't— Why wasn't what? No, but I mean to say, the word tzorech Shabbos. I'm saying a different word. The word tzorech Shabbos. I'm asking, does tzorech Shabbos mean that you ran out of something and it's a b'di'eved, all these halachos? What tzorech Shabbos? If I can't— you woke up one morning and said, you know what, I have chayshich, I shtickel cheese, shtickel chveis, shtickel babka cake. I'm asking, what's the story here? Does tzorech Shabbos mean that I ran out of something that I need? Here. Here. Ah, we'll talk about other questions. Tein li daled beitzim. What do you do with daled beitzim? V'hei rimonim. On Shabbos make me beitzim? The next halacha. He's juggling. He's playing juggling with raw eggs. No, he needs the chazan. He needs the raw eggs. When hei rimonim— and what does he need hei rimonim? Because he has a whole family of 500 people coming. What does he need hei rimonim? But you know, hei rimonim is— what does he need five rimonim for? It's just— it's a heter. Tein li daled beitzim. What do you need daled beitzim? What do you do with them? Unless they sold boiled eggs in the store, huh? You're gonna cook them on Shabbos. Ah, he's gonna do the shemen. Okay, habaisi, this is all the groundwork. What's with the minyan tonight? We spoke about this. Yes, it is, but then there's a sugya of midah meida without mekach umemkar, and there's a sugya of mekach umemkar without midah. That we spoke. In this case, why is it not saying we'll measure later, consider mekach umemkar? Peretz is because you're doing it tomorrow. But it's patz, mekach umemkar. It's not, because all you're saying is that you'll measure it tomorrow. I mean, the measuring itself is mekach umemkar. What, you're calling for the minyan? You have to get a minyan together. Okay, let's see one more shtickele. Says the Rama, aval, aval, aval, im... Oh, we'll do this. We'll go back tomorrow to all this. Aval im what? He would come... I don't know if you'll... can ask a person to come like this, that this can... he comes... at night he doesn't come. He never comes during the week. Huh? At night they come, they never come. Oh, this is the Rabbeinu Shlomo. He sees a makpid on kavod habriyos. Okay. Oh, that's... I didn't know that you're a gerusha. Sorry, after May, you'll be a real shalom aleichem. Ah, they're brothers. Wow. Get to know you also. Okay. B'kitzur, yeah, I love Bnei Torah. That's what I love. That's my thing. Okay. B'kitzur, zokt the Rama, aval lo yomar, ten li midah ploni. So you're not allowed to say, 'ten li midah ploni.' As I stated, can we do the Rama in סעיף ד' at the end? וכן בסכום דמים, אינו עושה אלא בחיי הגוונא, שאומר תן לי בכך וכך דמים, ויהיה לך בידי כך וכך. אבל אחוי, וכן בסכום מידה דווקא בחיי הגוונא עושה, אבל בלאו הכי שרי. So you gotta say clearly, you gotta say clearly, b'midah. And that's what the Mishnah Berurah says. He's saying that we're going to learn later that you're allowed to have b'midah. So what's this case? What's this Rambam? אבל אם לא יאמר... unless he's saying only in the Beis Yosef, maybe. But he's quoting the Tur, but the Tur is saying it in the Beis Yosef. Here, מותר לומר לחבירו מלא לי כלי זה למחר נמדה דאיתא. But you can't mention midah. I mean, it's ממש למעשה. You want to borrow from a guy food. You're allowed to say a certain measurement; you're not allowed to say a measurement. Halacha l'maaseh, when you want to borrow from your neighbor, you can't come and say, Give me two ounces. You have to say, Give me half a cup of milk. You can't say, Give me a certain amount, a midah. A half a cup, מג מנזאגן, but four ounces, תן לי זה. Halacha l'maaseh, ממש הלכה למעשה. No, no, no. You can say, Give me four eggs, but you can't say, Give me a measurement of it. Numbers you're allowed, okay? So the mechaber says, אבל לא יאמר תן לי מידה פלונית, אבל the Rambam himself holds not that way.

I'm gonna hold you. You're allowed to say mida. So either the case is for the mechaber, or he's paskening in the story. Vchein b'schum damim, she'omer lo temek, v'chein dam yilachem b'yad karah, aval b'lav hachi shari. Vchein davka b'chiyai gavna asur, aval b'lo hachi shari. Which means, let's say the measurements are yadua. If the measurements are yadua... Okay, so halacha l'maaseh, you know what? So let's just do the halacha l'maaseh and we'll do it tomorrow. So chaf. You see seif katan chaf? How do we pasken? Do we pasken like the mechaber, or do we pasken like the Rema that you're allowed to say mida? You have the... seif katan chaf. Aval roivin b'kol makom, here, yesh kam acharonim shesovrim... Go ahead, R' Moshe read. Yesh kam acharonim shesovrim sheyesh lizaher, midinas lo lehazkir shem damim, u'kol shekein shem mida b'chol gavna, u'k'das haMechaber, because the Rema is matir to say the mida. U'mikol makom, ein limchos b'yad hanoheg lehakel, ki yesh al mi lismoch, aval roiven nochin me'od lehachmir. You take a look at the Aruch HaShulchan, he says, das haRema is upgefrekt. It's awesome, mamash b'takifus, paskening the Mechaber that you're not allowed to mention. So it comes out that when you do, it's a tremendous zach. You can't ask your shachen. For, for certain, a cup megmin, a cup is mutar. You don't have ounces, you don't ask for a mida. No, it has seven ounces. No, a cup is not. A cup is not. Fill it up, seven ounces. You know, just to get the... I see the... they came at the last minute. Let me tell you an interesting shaila. They all ask, all the poskim ask, how do you allow to take out water? It's on a thermostat, how much water is in the boiler. So every time it's moided, ... affects the... When you take water, you take out water from a... Not even an urn, your regular water from the sink. The company is marking down. No, the company, it's in your thing, it's marking down. There's a meter. There's a meter. The meter is running. ... So let me show you the Biur Halacha, because it doesn't matter the second. So the truth is it's a peldike thing. It's not every second you take water that there's a mida, right? For some reason he held it was. So let me show you what he tells it to. Aval imdei b'kli, yeah, go ahead. U'meinekes shekorim the first Biur Halacha. Nekes shekorim liver, hameyuchad l'mida, u'machzik quart, a quart, mutar loimar malei li kli zeh. Even though it's a measuring, it's this thing that measures. Why? Because obviously you're not doing it with the measure. You're not being mechaven. ... is a type of ladle that has a measurement, which means that you're allowed to go and ask, 'Kli zeh,' if it's a measuring cup. Teretz is, who cares, because you're not being mechaven for the mida, right? That's not what the problem is, right? What? No, because we learned this: there has to be, in mida, there has to be kavanah. And the lomdus is good, no? It's all got lomdus. But on kavanah, it's midah. It's a lomdus, not because of the lomdus. On kavanah, it's not shekei midah. And the truth is, I don't really understand the din. I don't chap the din. In the case of the cup, right? So if you're not doing it with a midah, so you're using the kli, but here it's taka nimdad. What do you mean? When the water goes down, there's a thing that's being measured. You're just saying that's not midah. Yeah, so the word of mechaven is not this word. It's not done l'midah. Or if there's nothing measured, you know how much there is, but the water's not measured. You're saying it's a kol shehu. Why? It's less in kavanah, you mean, maybe. But I don't know if his word is kavanah. His word is that when I take a cup and grab, it's nimdad, so therefore it's not a problem. I don't know if the lomdus is the kavanah. If the midah would be broken, the etzem would be broken. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You can't say it's not mididah. That's a contradiction. That's what I don't understand what he wants. Here it's taka not measured. I'm grabbing using a cup that has measurements on it.

I'm בכלל not being מודה. But here, that's talking being with a חשבון. I'm taking, and it's happening. What do you say, it's not happening? Huh? Oh, say the ... this. מודה is when I want something to be measured. Do you know the מידה afterwards? No. So that's my shayk. So you're not מודה. מודה means when you know the מידה afterwards. What about in the hot water urn? It does, when you get the bill. What about the hot water urn? If, let's say, you're מודה something that's not a thing, it's done — the temperature. Reb Moshe, that's why I told you. Reb Moshe has a whole shayla if you're allowed to make... So Reb Moshe says the following. I really want to go through it. Reb Moshe says such a thing: it's only the kitchen, he says, and the kitchen is שייך מדידה, and that's כלי, כלי kitchen. You look at it — a kitchen, a kitchen, that's מדידה is only in the kitchen. He means this נקודה. It's with something. I'm being מודה something. Mekach umemkar is the yesod of מדידה. מדידה is when I want to be מודה the thing, the חפץ. But if it's not something that I want to be מודה the חפץ, so this is מדידה? You know, ... So we'll read in the teshuvah inside. ... Reb Moshe. ... I can't help you. It's not my fault. ... Take out Reb Moshe's teshuvah, aleph, kuf ches. Yeah. Igros Moshe, Igros Moshe, yeah. Chelek aleph, siman kuf ches. The temperature is Reb Moshe. He's leaving on that. You leaving? You gotta... You gotta... Rav Shamsam talks about the point. Chamoishi talks about kuf chof ches, aleph kuf chof ches. ... aleph kuf chof ches. No, how could this be aleph? It's not. ... No, no, ... aleph, the first aleph. First vav, aleph. So check over there, maybe it's over there. Unless he took it with him to Eretz Yisroel. Who? Something went to Eretz Yisroel? Took over there. He has a chassan. No, huh? ... No, me, it's me, it's me. It's telling the ... it's not telling. But you hold it's everybody. Everybody has to... ... Who took it with him? It's the first time since we started on... Huh? We getting, we getting... I never said I was a strong rav. ... I have a question. The parsha... The sixth order, Toharot. There are 63 tractates, but there is one tractate that's also called Toharot. Why is there an order and a tractate same name? Ah, very good question. And you discussed about the waters, so you got me thinking. I mean, you got me thinking with the waters. So why is that tractate of waters same name? Well, you have to—there's a rule. You have to... Yes, thank you. No, I'm serious. You know what I'm thinking about? I'm thinking of the Minchas Yitzchak. Remember, there's a Minchas Yitzchak that says you're not allowed to take temperature. Yeah, you ever saw him after? Right back. Minchas Yitzchak holds not; Rav Moshe holds yes. Yeah, you're right, yeah. And Rav Moshe says this svara, because it's only things in the kitchen. That's what he means. He means this svara. It has to be a cheftz. You're the cheftz. What cheftz? You're taking the cheftz, your temperature. The moideh, the temperature that you had, not moideh you. You're selling what? The temperature. It's a davar nikneh, davar kanui. Tzad tola midbeicha... I don't—it's only things that have shaychus to mechamem. It's not shayach to mechamem. It's... stam a middah. Good? Yeah, you know? Very good.

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