Hachanah on Shabbos: Washing Dishes, Clearing Tables, and Folding a Tallis

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So, remember I said could be pshat in the Mechaber is that the Mechaber holds that it has to do not so much with you do know, you don't know. And like what you were saying, maybe by shalosh seudos it's a din you do know, you don't know. By the Mechaber's mashma has to do with what meal you're holding. Are you holding Friday night? Then you can do it for Shacharis. If you're holding after... But back in the shtifas keilim, the issue of shtifas keilim. So I want to show you that I found the meforshim here, that it's mamash pshat that the Meiri learned the din of the Mechaber. Look at kuf yud ches, kuf yud ches in the Meiri, that the Meiri says that after shalosh seudos, even if you plan on eating, it's aser. It says in mefurash. They must have not seen the Meiri. They didn't have the Meiri. Nobody had the Meiri. No one had it till recently. No, I mean to say the Mishnah Berurah and the poskim and everybody, they didn't have the Meiri. It's a mefurash Meiri, rabosai, that after shalosh seudos, even if you know you're going to eat, it's aser. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. It's the way we learned up the Mechaber. It has nothing to do with knowing to eat or not. It has to do with when. That's not—by shalosh seudos time already, there's no reason to be washing this. No reason for it. It's over. The meals are over. Go ahead, read it inside. ... בליל שבת, מותר להדיחו לצורך שבת. ... מותר להדיחו לצורך מחר. ... אפילו רוצה לאכול. I have a good zecher, ... gevaldik, huh? It's a good zecher. Ah, I didn't remember it. I don't know. Even when I saw it, I didn't even remember. So he's coming with a different angle. The Rambam says that, What did I say? It's exactly what I was learning. I didn't know there was a bottom over there, but I'm saying, I just have it in mind. Yeah, but this is the shakla v'tarya. It's not hachanah l'chol. It's not hachanah l'chol. It's a special din, madichin keilim l'Shabbos al Shabbos. And therefore, once it's Shalosh Seudos time itself, it's mamash d'var... I send the mechaber. This is it. Baruch Hashem, Baruch Hashem. I felt very strongly about it. Madichin keilim is the taich. It's a special heter because you need it for Shabbos. It's not to do with hachanah l'chol; it's a different sugya, tircha. And that's the... the Mishnah Berurah brings tircha. He doesn't bring hachanah. Mishnah Berurah doesn't say one word about hachanah. It's about tircha. So the pshat is they were matir when it's l'tzorech hayom, but it has to be l'tzorech hayom. So chachamim said, by min haminchah and למעלה, that that's... Let the meal's over. You're chayav to eat meals. Will stam eat? Who said? It's a mechudik a vort. It comes out a whole new taich, and ein hachi nami, yedeiya and eino yedeiya, that's a good Torah, but who said? I mean, the mechaber, it's not there. Ay, yashnis. Didn't I ask you? The mechaber, you don't see yedeiya and eini yedeiya. You do know. You know, it's a difference. As the klal, the takanah doesn't make a difference. And that's pshat in the mechaber, maybe. Takanah doesn't make a difference. What's the difference? Min haminchah ולמעלה. I'll tell you where it was. It's an interesting shailah. Somebody here in Westgate asked me this. He has a minyan for Maariv in his house. They finish Shalosh Seudos, the people come, his wife feels very, you know, that the table's messy, you know. So he wants to know if he can clean up because the people are davening Maariv over there. For the table? The dining room is living room. The dining room is living room, so there's herring all over the place. I'm just saying. Who knows, you know, how much ice cream is there, whatever it is, whatever. Clients, I'm sure—I mean clients. Who knows how much ice cream is there, yeah? Hashem yatzach, you know what I mean? What? I'm just saying, whatever it is. I told them, I mean, to clean off the table. Clean off the table is aser, unless you can make it into a tzorech hayom. Can't cover it? I don't know. Tell the guy, huh? To go down there is not a tzorech hayom? So sometimes I tell you, unless you make it into a tzorech hayom. They're not really mutar Shabbos over there. Whatever it is, for right now, I need right now. That's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm telling you. So that's what I'm telling you. No, I want to say one step further. I want to say one step further. I don't know if the גר״א's a tircha, cleaning off the table. It's a tircha to clean off a table. It's not the same case, מדיחין כלים. The kid is a whole, whole... Okay, we asked the kids a tircha for the parents. The exact same. Okay, the kids are... This was the sugya from yesterday. This is basically what we spoke yesterday.

And I heard that you want to learn that this whole yedea and eini yedea, chavches, is kegon shenishar adayin seudah lechel, aval achas seudah shlishis, that's where the yedea comes in. Again, it's going back on the kodem, kegon shenishar adayin seudah lechel. Stam a zoi would be asur to clean off the table? Stam a zoi is, yeah. Chol hamoed? What are you doing with the dishes then? Wait, this is the question. I don't want my house messy. That's brought down klar. After Shalshudes everybody leaves the stuff. There's better tor on for Shabbos. Right now I want my house messy. So if you had those issues, we saw from Rav Shlomo Zalman, mutar. Where you needed a certain, a special psak from Rav Shlomo Zalman to matir. I mean, it's not— Shabbos day because you still need shalosh seudos. There's still another meal. Yeah, but whatever it is, it's mutar as long as it's l'tzorech hayom. I mean, as they state in klar, that's brought down in all the halacha, you're not supposed to clean off after shalosh seudos. That's klar. I mean, you want to know, in the shuls they don't clean off. I don't know if you know. In the shuls, because what do you need to clean for? I'm saying unless if you're davening there, whatever. People in the shul, the taanis, because you're not supposed to clean off after shalosh seudos. I mean, that's where it comes from. Nobody— no, nobody cleans off. Yeah, in the dining room, because what do you need the dining room for? No, and hachanami, if you're making it to— even where they eat in the shul, even where they eat in the knesset, they don't clean off. They have, they use this sevara, you're not allowed to. They make this shtickel take, you do it after Shabbos. But if you feel that people are going to feel uncomfortable to daven there, okay, because you know what it is, you have a sensitivity. He has the sensitivity. Oh, they do have once a month? No, they clean it up. I didn't know. There's no clear— that's a good idea. They make once a month in the winter or the summer. Oh, you're on. I don't know. Now. Whatever makes you insensitive, you know. Okay, let's see weiter. Whatever, you know, makes you uncomfortable. There's halacha about damning your bedroom when your bed's not made. Maybe there's something you wore to... Okay. You know, you want to... There's halachos? No, isn't the... The what? Damning your bedroom when your bed's not made. Yeah, probably, you're not supposed to. But you see, the velt uses this other... Nobody cleans up. Nobody does. Nobody, nobody does. Everybody leaves the shalshas the way it is, and they use this sefer. It says that forty-nine does. Because they know these halachos. Or there's somebody there, like for fun, that's probably very neat and he can't take it. That's probably what it is. Okay. So we ended off yesterday with a yesod that I held there was two parts to this sugya. One part of the sugya is hachanah, which is really what the mekor is in the sugya, the Gemara. And then there's the way the Mishnah Berurah makes a tircha, not one word of hachanah. So we were masbir that if the pshat is that it becomes hachanah, l'chol v'ertes ha-tircha of Shabbos. It's talui ha-baha. In other words, the sugya is not this hachanah. The sugya is taka tircha b'Shabbos. V'nibaldet l'chol v'ertes ha-tircha l'Shabbos shelo l'tzorech. Okay. Well, there's a separate term called hachanah? Avada. Al mimeicha l'chol. I'm saying that that's not called tircha? No, so that could be different. Could be it's, I don't know, it's like this: could be you could separate the sugyas, or you could say that every hachanah has to do with tircha l'chol. So I'll explain to you what I have, a... How is that worse than tircha? Who? How is worse than tircha? I don't know, but could be that's the whole hachanah, especially when it's not a real thing. Here we said, ... the last seif. Yeah, chadash is ... What? That's a chanah miyom l'yom. It's a different thing. Which is a weak hachanah. This is mimtzo cheftza, daber davar. It's a different hachanah. There's two hachanahs. There's one hachanah in Shabbos meichel l'chol, v'ein chol meichel l'Shabbos. That's a different sugya. Then there's daber davar, that you're not allowed to talk things like, I'm going to do this on the weekdays. That's not hachanah. It's a different hachanah. The word is, if this is not l'chol, v'ein ... Shabbos. Well, you know, if borer lo shalo, you should drink out of the OJ cup and another cup of OJ, it's aser l'dika kois. You can't do that. Why is it aser? Is it ... Which, which Mishnah were you talking about? You can wash cups all day, but if you know it's chol, you're not going to use it to drink anymore. Chof ches? Chof tes. No, no, 308. Chof tes. Kol hayom, ... aser l'dika kois. What? Sounds like a highway, on the 308.

Yeah, because it's not a tzorech, whatever the reason is, whatever the sugya is. Okay. What would be the nafka mina? So that's what I was telling you after Maariv. That's really where I got the first time the lomdus from. That's where I chapped it. Are you allowed to prepare for one Shabbos to the next? Not for chol. I put away my Shabbos talis for next Shabbos. So there's a big tumul in the Acharonim about this. Most Acharonim asser it, but there's a Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld, Shalmas Chaim, siman ayin daled, is matir it based on a Tosefta. There's a shaila how to learn a Tosefta at the end of the thirteenth perek, perek yud-gimmel. The Tosefta there is mashma that it's aser to meichin miShabbos l'chol, but miShabbos l'Shabbos is mutar. There's two different girsaos over there. According to the Chazon Yechezkel's girsa, that it would be mutar, miShabbos l'Shabbos is mutar. There's two different girsaos over there. The Rambam is mashma that it's dafka b'oseh Shabbos. If you want to take out the Rambam, let's take out a very nice Rambam here, perek chaf-gimmel, halacha zayin, okay? And if you want, you can take out already the Tosefta, sof perek yud-gimmel. So this becomes the shaila. Unless the truth is, I'm not so sure about the talis anyway, because the talis, even if you put it away and you fold it, you're not actually folding it for next Shabbos. You're folding it, you're folding it. Even in the weekdays it's not messy. You can't say it's only for next Shabbos, that when you take it out it should be good, right? It's not the exact same story. But he's matir. He's matir to put away the Shabbos talis. Ah, it's meichin l'chol. The teretz is it's not called meichin l'chol. So I used to do this b'davka, because you know me, I do everything b'davka. I don't put away my talis to meichin for anything. I put it away to protect the talis, not to have my house messy. I don't do it, so it'll be easier next Shabbos. It'll be easier for me next Shabbos if it's out. So who says you have to fold it? Why don't you just put it away and that's all? If for techs it makes it straight. Otherwise you don't have... It makes it straight. See, that's mishum hefsed, maybe. Mishum hefsed, which is mutar also. We learned that, that you're allowed to be meichen michol. You want to wrinkle it up. Okay, and the Chachamim—you know the velt is makpid on it because of meichen l'chol, that's the sevara. Also they're afraid of the kerises. I thought the fear was because of the kerises. The kerises. So the truth is, today we don't have that anymore. You don't get the same crease. Our stuff is—come on, a crease. We don't have it anymore. The amalek talaisim had creases. It was mamash—today the talaisim are made in such a fabric that there's no crease. There's some talaisim that the crease in the middle, because—unless they have that thing in the middle, it's very shver to find a crease in today's talaisim. I don't know where I find it on mine. So that's certainly—every fabric is made differently. A lot of talaisim don't have the problem with the crease, and therefore it's mutar, unless you have the problem meichen l'chol. So you can get around it by two ways: either you get around it by his cheshbon, I don't want it to wrinkle, so therefore it's l'hefsed, so there's no problem of meichen l'chol; it's for the talis itself. And the second nekudah is this Shalmos Chayim, that mishabes l'Shabbos is not a problem. Okay, now read it inside. Teisafta, sof perek yud-gimmel. Yeah, good, good, good. Well, you see a crease? There's no crease. It's nothing. This one has a thing in the middle, otherwise there's no crease. Look, look. You look around, there's no crease. There's nothing. The talis is... Those lines aren't creases? It's not strong enough. And if you want, don't do it on the crease. This one maybe a little bit more. This one's a little bit more. Mine doesn't have a crease at all, my talis. And the truth is, you don't have to do it on the crease. Who says you have to do it? Okay, you read the Rambam, you read the Teisafta. Go ahead. Madichim kein mishabbos l'oiso Shabbos. L'oiso Shabbos, you hear? Ah, so that's one girsa, that mishabbos l'Shabbos, v'etesasa, yeah? But there's a different girsa. The Chazon Yechezkel brings a different girsa, that it's actually that it's mutar mishabbos l'Shabbos. I don't have the Chazon Yechezkel over here, but you look over there. It's two different girsas. Does he bring a different girsa on the bottom over there? Okay, you look over there in the Chazon Yechezkel. There's a different girsa. The Shalmei Chaim uses that girsa, and therefore it becomes mutar. Rambam's mashma like here, l'oiso Shabbos. Read it. ... l'echol ben seudah acheres l'oiso Shabbos. V'oiso Shabbos, but if it's l'gabei to Shabbos haba...