Pets on Shabbos: Feeding Animals, Muktzah, Aquarium Fish, and Walking Dogs

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Okay, so yesterday we learned that this reid, that could be only if it's, if you own the pet. But if you don't own the pet, mechetaisa, right? So we brought down from the Bihalacha, the Rav Moshe Yoneh Beisus, that he first wants to say possibly you have to be the owner. But then he's machria that maybe not necessarily if you're the owner, even if it's another Yid. So then we said, אי בזאי קומתאיס, that if it's for a goy, or taka v'yasa. Okay, what's... I never saw such a chashuv a snowman in my life. So, kitzur, yesterday we learned that if a person sees an animal and another Yid is supposed to feed it, another Yid is supposed to feed it, so you're allowed to feed it. That's clear in the Bihalacha, meaning that first he thought you have to be the owner, and then he says, נשתאזי, right? Right, Reb Shapsi says, נשתייט in the Bihalacha. Now, I want to point out, does that mean that you're allowed to give him extra? Like, is the pshat is that the story is that the animal needs to eat? Well, the pshat is you can give him extra already also. I'm saying, what's the scenario? The animal is there, you want to feed it. It ate already, efsher only when it's taka halacha that the animal needs to eat. In your case, it's good for your father to get rid of the food. So then it would be mutar anyway, maybe. I'm saying if you use the buchacha svara, then it would be a svara even if the animal's not hungry. I'm saying, I'm clarifying, mezonos lechem means we have to sit there and measure how much food. It's with a shiur, it's with a din. Or if the pshat is it's an animal of a Jew, then you're allowed to feed it. Al kol panim, from a goy is mashma Mishnah. Well, it's a heter d'chuyah. I don't know. I'm saying it's tircha in the first place. Yeah, so once it's—I mean, you don't have to sit and measure, even on Yontif, for shiurim possible d'Oraisas. Good, all right, I'm maskim. If you want—I'm just clarifying. Is the svara of mezonosecha lecha meaning to taka only what he needs for mazon, or mezonosecha lecha means that he taka—pshat is that once you're allowed to feed it, you're allowed to feed it. It's an animal. I would say that if it's at a time when it's time for you to feed it, you don't have to measure. But if you already ate lunch an hour ago, it's time to give him food now, that you can't do. All right, this is all gray area. I don't—adi anda nishya. ... you're big enough to pasken, so pasken. No, I'm just saying, I'm just reading the Mishnah Berurah, mezonosecha lecha, and the mezonos is on the Yehudi, so the pshat is it could be only what's negea to the mazon. Nishmeru from them. Al kol panim, what happens if it belongs to a goy? It's mashma nisht, it would be halacha. Shulchan Aruch Harav paskens even for a goy, right? Because if it's not going to eat min a hefker, so you're allowed to feed it. And if it's going to eat min a hefker, then you're not allowed to feed it. So we don't really care, the baalim means even if it's a goy. Now, I told you a svara yesterday, if you feed the animal every day, even if it's an animal of hefker... So maybe you're mechuyiv too, because it becomes dependent on you. And then I told you over this Rav and the Brisk, that—I'm sorry, Queens—that used to feed the dog. So we said that the Mishnah Berurah says there's a mitzvah to be machil a kelev, right? Mishnah Berurah says that there's some mezonosecha, lech a little bit more; it's a mitzvah. It's a Gemara in Shabbos kuf nun hei, that because their mezonos is scarce, so the Ribono Shel Olam is merachem on the kelev. L'maaseh, the Kaf HaChaim in Ois mem-vav says that that's not pshat in the Gemara. The Gemara just says that you could feed, and there's an inyan maybe to feed, a mitzvah to feed, as nitzadoi. And even the Rambam, when he brings the halachah of kelevs, up the Kaf HaChaim, it's only kelev of Yisrael. He never says stam a kelev, okay? Eitzah. So we said that the eitzah could be that you should give him the food of the—you're anyway throwing out. So I told you over from the Shvus Yitzchak—I don't know what happened to my Shvus Yitzchak now; I looked all over, it's also gone. All my sefarim disappeared. But in Shvus Yitzchak, perek tes, se'if katan yud, brings from Reb Shlomo Zalman, from Reb Elyashiv, that ein hachi nami, you're not supposed to feed the dog. I guess he goes with that shita. I guess he's cholek on the Mishnah Berurah, obviously.

Because of the Rambam, and he says an anachanami, not even food that you're going to throw out you should give to him. There's no feeding dogs on Shabbos. Okay. The Chashulchan, se'if beis, says you're supposed to feed any hungry animal. You don't care who the baalim is; it's a din in the hunger. Once he's hungry, it's a mitzvah to be ma'achil him. If the lomdus is that it's mitzvah, so once he's hungry, it becomes a mitzvah. So then we spoke about the Shabbos birds, meaning Shabbos shiru. There's a minhag to feed the bird Shabbos shira. Mishnah Berurah, siman קכ״א, says that it's not so pashut. He doesn't like the minhag so much, right? So the Mishnah Berurah, siman קכ״א, that, yeah, it's not so pashut, right? So the Mishnah Berurah not to feed them. Never let you. The Chashulchan, se'if gimmel, says it's a minhag; you're allowed to do it, it's famous. Hey, go ahead, read the Darchei Choshulchan inside. Let's see it inside. Yeah, the Shabbos birds, I'm vadai. The Chashulchan is matir. He has to litvak, and he's matir. Our siman, se'if gimmel. יש נוהגים ממשנה המנהג בשבת שירה לזרוק חיטים לפני העופות, והרי הם מזונות עליך. אבל נראה לי דמנהג ישראל טהור, שהרי איננו טורח בשבילם אלא בשבילו. ... אלא בשבילנו maybe. Huh? It's not bishvil the birds, but bishvileinu. Yeah. Yeah, so it means it's a fruma zach, it's a fruma zach. So since it's a fruma inyan, so therefore you're allowed to do it even though it seems like you're being tirach for the birds. Now the reina emes is, there's a very interesting peirush, I don't remember where I saw it, but b'emes it's a lesson of emunah ubitachon, right? The mon, they ate the mon. The mon is a siman that the Ribono Shel Olam sends the... So just like, right, that's the time that they ate the mon. One is shirah. One time is that they said shirah al hayam, and the other time is that they ate the mon. Oh, so what are we telling another yid? Just like a bird could get fed without doing tircha, so too, yid, take a look, you can get your mezonos without doing tircha. Yeah. So the pshat is this nekudah, you hear this nekudah, a meirdike nekudah, that it's a lesson, it's a mussar. So meileh, vertes a tircha l'tzorech mussar. It's for us. But betz it's with the Aruch HaShulchan. Aruch HaShulchan says, the lomdus is it's bishvileinu, yeah? Hasheinu Aruch HaShulchan. L'maaseh, in the Butchatcher, the Eshel Avraham, I guess he gets two psakim in this siman that everybody quotes him with. The first one is, the Eshel Avraham about throwing out the food that you anyway have to throw out and give to the animal. And the second one is that al yedei katan, that you should give the birds the to feed al yedei katan. Okay. How about feeding fish in an aquarium? You have an aquarium at home and you want to feed the fish. Halacha l'maaseh, rabosai, it's mezonosecha lecha, so there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to feed it. I don't know. That's a very good question. Someone told me this. Someone told me that you don't have to feed them every day. If you don't have to feed them every day, but this would go into our old shaylah. Once it's mezonos lecha lecha, do we have to sit there and clarify when lunch hour is and when snacks are, you know? You should have fed it before Shabbos? Yeah, yeah. Efshar, I'm chayiv to do that. I'm not sure about that. Someone asked me — Yitzi asked me this last night. Who says you're supposed to feed a bird, a fish every day? It's not so pashut you're supposed to feed... So to bedavka make the system that you feed it on Shabbos, I hear, all right. But otherwise it's a mezonos lecha lecha. This is a very nice shaylah. And you want to know something? It's probably the most practical of all the shaylos. You know, where are you going to feed animals? This is the way you feed animals — a fish tank. Okay. How about being metaltel the animal that you're feeding? Are you allowed to move these animals? So there's a mefurash Mishnah Berurah by us, sif katan lamed beis. Says the Mishnah Berurah — yeah, lamed beis, yeah — says the Mishnah Berurah, להאכיל, לפי שמזונותיו עליך, שאין לך מה שיאכל, כי מה שנותנין לאדם ודם לבהמה ותרנגולים, אבל טלטולם אסורים כשאר בעלי חיים. So you see that you're not allowed to move... Who? What do you call metaltel?

So let's talk about this. ... We're going to talk about this. It's also like, what's it called, with, like, closing a trunk. Closing a trunk. It's not tiltul ... Right, you're just moving it a little bit, just moving it. This is ... I don't know. Tiltul me'ikar. Tiltul me'ikar. Okay. So let's see. The regular tiltul, the Mishnah Berurah says, se'if katan lamed beis, that it's muktzah. Okay. Now we're going to discuss: are you allowed to be mefazer the ochel, which is an interesting halacha. So you look at the Biur Halacha, ... l'hachil. He says that even if you're allowed to feed an animal, ... you're not allowed to be mefazer. You wouldn't be allowed to spread it over, spread it all over the place. Huh? No, I'm saying ... just put it down, let them come to eat it. Who's ...? By you being mefazer it, right. Set a plate, but to sit there—go ahead, read some first ... Biur Halacha. ... Yeah, you have it? ... Right, one second. ... That's it, right. The pizur would be asur. Right? The only way that if you make the food is if you mefazer it, but l'tzorech, you're stam being mefazer to make it easier for them to take, then you're not allowed. So I had a shaila about a fish tank. You want to put the food into the fish tank. On the side, whatever that's mutar, whatever the cheshbon is. So you're allowed to sprinkle it all over the place. Maybe that's not—yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's not the same story. Bishlama by the case of feeding, you know, the ducks and birds, so being mefazez is extra work. But this is anyway sprinkling, so what's the— Yeah, so it doesn't make a big difference. I don't think that the din of this Mishnah Berurah would apply, okay? How about cleaning the fish tank on Shabbos? Are you allowed to clean a fish tank on Shabbos? What? What is cleaning it? It's dirty. What? Not so easy, but maybe you're allowed to do it. How do you clean a fish tank? I'm not sure exactly. Change the water, maybe. How do you change the water without throwing out the fish? There's a way how to do it, I don't know. Whatever it is, you want to get the tzoya and all the dirt and all the junk out. You're allowed to do it. This is shailas, you know, you don't have it so much here in Westgate, but in the real world— Yeah, okay, so I have to find out what they do. It's a mistama they don't do it on Shabbos, but if someone comes to ask you if you're allowed to do it on Shabbos. So I was matir once based on this halacha, tes-vav: asa ligrof, let's see Shulchan Aruch, asa ligrof ha'avus, because you might come to vashvuyei gumos, so which means is you're cleaning out the avus. Wait, slowly, let's see weiter: v'asa gam kein, says the Mishnah Berurah, l'salek hateven d'keshu rav. V'asar, v'chazi l'taltel. So you see that you're not allowed to take out from the eivois what's not roi l'achilah, because it's muktzah. So here too, l'chaira would be the same thing, unless the thing is going to die maybe. I don't know if the fish are going to die if it, you know what I'm saying, to make... It's not a graf shel rei, really. That's what I'm trying to say. It could be, since it makes dirty the food that you're throwing in there, maybe it's the same halacha, and here you see it's asur, it's not mutar, unless maybe the fish are going to die. If the fish are going to die, maybe it's a different halacha. Okay, because we're soon going to learn from the Chazon Ish a very big chiddush. I'm saying not allowed to. I said the word mutar, right? I got a little tired. You have to be meichal tonight. Tonight's one of those nights. I meant to say is I want to shtel tzu, that's the word I was trying to say. I'm trying to shtel tzu to this halacha. You see clearly that you're not allowed to metaltel, even though it's nimas. Yeah. K'dei shelo yisena ha'sha b'rei, v'asur משום דוודאי, and this is l'salei kateven, yeah, milefanav u'letzadim, unless maybe it's going to ruin the food. No, pashut this is the same halacha. Basically you're not allowed to clean it out. Okay, so that's what I wanted to...

Now, what about the fact that the fish tank is muksa? Maybe a fish tank is muksa. It says you're not even move a fish tank. You're not allowed to move a pet, which we'll soon talk about in a few minutes, so maybe you're not allowed to move the buses, which is the fish tank. Take out those shivas teshuvos, Igros Moshe, chelek daled. We have it here, we have it here. Seif siman tezayin. Siman tezayin, sorry, seif siman tezayin. Aruch Chaim, chelek daled, seif siman tezayin. It's interesting where he starts from. What does he say? What does he talk about? Fishbowl, okay, fishbowl. What does the yeshiva say here? Muktsa name. So therefore, becomes a basis. No, he's not talking about the buses. What's he talking about? What else? With the fish. Yeah, but it's heavy buses that way. Heavy buses. Whatever, that's what the yeshiva... that's the story. You're not allowed to move the fish tank because the whole thing is muksa, all right? So let's talk and discuss: is a fish muksa? Is a tank muksa? It's so poshut, it's muksa. Big sugya, big sugya. Yeshiva's not... it's so pashut, fish. Now, we just learned in the Shulchan Aruch here that a fish, that an animal is muktsa. Eh, who says your pet? There's a chiluk between your pet and a stam animal in the street. An animal in the street is not muchan to you, but your pet might be different. You don't like the sevara. It's not my sevara; it's brought down in the Mordechai, this sevara. The Mordechai brings down, בשם, I don't remember who, one of the early Rishonim, that if it's something l'tzachek bo, if you have an animal that you use for playing, so it's not muktzah; what makes it muktzah? It's like anything else. L'maaseh, we don't pasken like that, obviously, and we'll soon see if that's true or not true. I'm not even so sure about that either, but pashut that's what it is. The Rashba חולק, he says so, that l'tzachek bo, even if it's like a bird that you made meant to play with, it's still asur. Okay, so let's talk about it. We'll talk about it, we'll talk walking it, we'll talk about it. You know, I like this sugya. I like this. What happened? Just gonna clean it a little bit, because people are gonna come later. Nah. Don't worry about it. It's pretty high already. Yeah. It's definitely... I remember Friday in... You don't worry about the rod now. Today's... You know, let me tell you why this sugya is very dear to my heart. I'll tell you why this sugya is dear to my heart. I grew up in Queens. In Queens, people had pets. Midogs, midcats, midsnakes, midsalamanders, ... Yeah. And I used to always frown on the Shabbos behavior with the pets and the dogs and the ... ma'ases. I'm bothered the walking the dog on Shabbos. And then I decided on myself... Many years of being a frumak, that you have to learn like Reb Shlomo Zalman and try to find heter. And you want to know the real truth? You don't have to find the heter. It's really mutar, all these things. That's the real truth. People just don't know the Shulchan Aruch. It's before Shulchan Aruch. With an eruv, without an eruv, it's all mutar. The least, Shulchan Aruch. Before Shulchan Aruch. You should deal with it. Before Shulchan Aruch. That's a problem. Unless you have it hanging less than a certain amount. That's if you have a reshus harabim. We're going to start from scratch. Okay. In Brooklyn was a problem. Okay, let's discuss it. Why you had someone that had a dog, you know? Walking a dog. Imagine you walk a dog on Shabbos, the olam would stone you. There was a guy in my block used to walk his dog on Shabbos. Everybody used to... And he used to scream back, I'm aretz you, you don't know what you're talking about. And I used to think, ah, these psakim from the, you know, who knows which rabbi gave him his psak. And then I realized that the rabbi was Reb Yosef Kairo. Yosef Kairo was his rabbi, and he was right. Okay, so let's see inside.

So I couldn't make a difference tomorrow, but... Now tomorrow, mistama, it looks like it's gonna be... You know, we got a hard time tomorrow with the... Why not? Why? You live upstairs, why? You're not allowed to drive tomorrow? I don't think he has the power to make it illegal. Only the governor does, but they strongly don't want you to. Who, me? I'm talking about me. I'm gonna walk from there to here in the snow tomorrow. I'm not so, you know. Six o'clock in the morning. All right, we'll see. I'll try to make it. We'll see what happens. I can't promise you. You already started snowing. I'd like you to come at six in the morning. I'd beייל. No, every day you should come at six, not just... Yael, you can't touch. Yael is my, my, my meshi. Yael is meshi. It's made from silk, my Yael. Okay. Kitzur, boys, are you here? Okay, so let's see weiter. So, b'kitzur, the question is fish, okay? So let's take a look at... Okay, we're discussing now animals. So animals we see as מוקצה, we just learned that. But maybe there's a chiluk between an animal and your animal. An animal, the Mishnah Berurah is not talking about your animal; it's talking about an animal. Your animal maybe is different because it's, you're not muktzah daas to minei. What do you mean? How you want to play with it, it's mamish part of the family in certain houses. Yes, what do you do? So let's take a look at Shin Ches, se'if lamed tes, and the Mishnah Berurah, se'if katan kuf mem-vav. Se'if lamed tes, Mishnah Berurah kuf mem-vav. Oh, so it says, asur litaltel behemah chayah v'of. So you're not allowed to be metaltel, yeah? Shin Ches, se'if lamed tes. So you see clearly that it's muktzah, zeh shteit, huh? Look at the Mishnah Berurah. That's regular muktzah, yeah? Klar? ... medadin, right, okay. So my question is, again, maybe the Mishnah Berurah is not tomei. Maybe the Mishnah Berurah is talking about what? A. So what? We just learned that you can feed... hefker animals you can feed. Who says? Who said? Your animal, it means it's your pet. Could be it's an animal that's in your backyard. It's your pet. Who says you take it on trips with you? That's what I'm telling you. I'm asking, it's your pet. A guy goes on a trip and he takes it with him. In Europe they had pets. The Mordechai brings it down. I mean, the Rishonim talk about it. Mordechai talks about it. You're not mesiach daas from it. What do you want? It's like a toy for you. What's the difference if it's alive or not? I'm telling you, I just told you, it's a muktzah. Mordechai says it's mutar. Pashut it's mutar. Wow. You deserve—can I repeat for Rav Paltiel? He deserves. We learn sheina zachin, rabosai, sheina, sheina zachin. Shaina, shaina zach. You see, I have the sugya clear, you know? I worked on it. It's not — in Queens I had to know this stuff. Okay, the kitzur: until yesterday we discussed feeding animals. Today we're going to discuss the muksa in it. So Mishnah Berurah says that they're muksa. Okay, animals are muksa, yeah. So shaila is, does the Mishnah Berurah mean any animal or even your pet? Okay, so we brought down a Mishulchan Aruch in Shin Ches that says animals are muksa. Vayter, we don't know what kind of animals. Maybe it doesn't mean your pet; your pet is different. Some people have their pets, they take it with them on a trip, you know, it becomes part of the family, ke'ilu. So is it muksa? So the truth is, from R' Moshe's teshuva, chayetza ra'ayah even your pet, because R' Moshe — the teshuva is atzal's teshuva — is by your fish. It's your aquarium fish. Doesn't R' Moshe have a teshuva about this? Even that, I don't know. I just know these two teshuvos, siman tezayin. That's what I have. Find it for me, ad rabba. I think he even answered — I don't know. Well, but this is what it is. This is this teshuva, that an aquarium, a fish aquarium, is muksa. That's what it is. You see clearly, he's saying that. But it's your fish.

That's called yours. You can't come and say that you're a mouse, okay? You can't come and say that the person is mesiach daas from his fish, because he's not touching. He's mesiach daas from touching. That's a good vort. Maybe in a fish in an aquarium, you're not going to move it, so you're mesiach daas. That's a good vort, you know. Reb Shabsi? Reb Shabsi? Reb Shabsi. I never thought of that. The case of the aquarium is that you're not moving the fish, so maybe you're makpid daas for moving it. You only look at it. But ein hachanami, a dog that you want to play with, so fine. I don't have a teshuvah. This is what I have. That's what I saw. The shailah only is the seeing dog. Maybe you're talking about the seeing dog teshuvah, is that one? Okay, so the Reb Shlomo Zalman, perek yud ches, ha'arah samech beis, discusses the seeing dog. Is the seeing dog muktzah? Perek yud ches. Which Shulchan Aruch so far said that you're allowed to walk your dog? Not yet. I'm not getting there yet. We'll get to it. It's mefurash in Shulchan Aruch that you're allowed to walk your dog on Shabbos. All right, we're going to get to it. I quote all of them. I have them all, don't worry. I don't know about Rav... I missed the teshuvah. What do you have there, Chazon Ish? We're going to get to that Chazon Ish, slowly. But then he talks about l'chumra, that he comes out l'chumra. Go ahead, read it. Oh, so that's the sumah that the kelev is taking him, yeah? Yeah. What is shinhei? What's shinhei? Nu? Nu? Beheima. Beheima, that's aser. Yeah, go ahead, nu. The kelav... shinches. So he's learning, and you can't come and say it's not your dog that you don't... You're not... right? That's your dog. You're seeing dog is your dog. It's not, right? So you see he ... shinches that it's aser. Go ahead, yeah. Ah. Even though we pasken l'chinuch it's aser, yeah. Beautiful. I love Reb Shlomo Zalman, you gevaldik. You don't understand what he is learning. You don't chap what it is. The fine line, the separating fine line. ... You hear his lomdus? ... Sounds more like he's only making such a strong situation, like the blind guy, but not ... I have a pet in my house. Okay. You know what he say? Dos is nis kein hund. It's not kein. It's not kein. Am I right? That's Reb Shlomo. That's Reb Shlomo. I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. You don't understand what this is. You don't understand what this is. You don't know what the velt is missing by not having Reb Shlomo Zalman's teshuvos. You chap his lomdus? It's oimed l'shimush, so then it's pshat is this is not the dog anymore. Shein ois dog. I, when I use it for a toy, actually, it's not a toy. It's not maskim to him a little bit. It comes from wanting to be matir it, but he found the lomdus. And you know what I would say the lomdus is? The dog has no other purpose. The dog has no other purpose. Here it's grada, it's a bird, and I have feelings for the bird. Grada, I can play with it. I'm just fun with that bird. This, a dog in the house for seeing, is nothing more than a keili. She was atzamah. Remember, Reb Shlomo Zalman was atzamah. This is it. This is it, rabosai. But it's not just the beginning of the sugya. Let's go through it more now. Now, rabosai, yeah? What about a different shailah? What about a different shailah? Let's take a look at the Chazon Ish, siman nun beis, os tezayin. Nu? So one second, slowly, slowly, I just want to backtrack. So what do we have so far? That even a pet is not mukhach. It could be even your own pet, l'sachek, it becomes assur. A seeing dog, efshar. But a pet in the house, still we don't know. Okay, let's take a look at the Chazon Ish. Go ahead, nu? Siman nun beis.

Is, ois te zayin. ... afilu b'daas hamachmirim siman shin tezayin, eino ela mi'um mid'rabbanan, goes around, whatever. Yesh l'hakel v'lismoch al daas hamatirim sham, mipnei tzaar baalei chayim v'chashash hefsed. V'chein yesh l'hakel l'issur muktzah bishvil tzaar baalei chayim v'hefsed. So, issur muktzah is not a problem where tzaar baalei chayim is nogea or hefsed is. Are you allowed to walk your dog on Shabbos? Shem is a klaf. You want to know something? You don't understand. I'm telling you the emes. I used to look down at the guys in Queens who walked their animals and played there. ... The dog can't take it. The dog can't take it. The dog can't take it. And I have a different vort also, by the way. See, ... Alter baalei chayim. As Aidy used to say, it's funny because he said about that guy that had the big dog. Vaz greser der hunt, alts klener dem iz balabos. They're making the dog the smaller the balabos. So you have to know, it's not so pashut. Okay, how about if you don't even touch the dog, so you don't even have to come onto this chazonish, yeah? Let's take a look at shin hei, sif hei. First you did in Shulchan Aruch, shin hei, sif hei. No. Yeah. You know what I want with this chazonish? To clean out the fish tank. I just want to get back. Wait a second. So muksa becomes mutar for tzaar baalei chayim. So mimeila you could clean out the fish tank. That's what I really want. I forgot what I want. I mean, I forgot the sequence of what I wanted. Could be it's dirty. They can't take it. Kashya, v'maaseh, it got dirty, whatever. You see it's too dirty. Why not? I've never experienced anyone saying, ‘Oh, the fish must be feeling so bad right now.’ Anything is that way. What do you mean, tzaar baalei chayim? Only by sheratzim, chutzin sheratzim, there's tzaar baalei chayim. Only by sheratzim. We pasken like Rabbi Yehuda, there's no such thing. A fish is tzaar baalei chayim. You want to know something? The fishing that's not done for eating is a real issue. Because you know what they do? I don't know if you know the hook. It rips their lip. You send them back into the ocean. You're talking about tremendous tzaar baalei chayim. You use it as bait, though. Yeah, if it's not kosher fish, so what, do you throw it back? What's the problem? Tzaar baalei chayim. Not so poshut. Oh, so that's the shaylah. Oh, so noidh b'Yehuda, that's about tzaid, if you're allowed to be tzaid. That's a different— but l'maaseh he says that we're not tzaid. You're not supposed to be tzaid. Let me tell you another thing. They have this whole thing with the veal. People use the [unclear] for fishing also, not just for hunting? They use it for hunting. Hunting is what he's talking about. I know he's talking about hunting. I'm asking, what's the heter— No, I'm saying, but what's the heter to be metza'er an animal? It's not so poshut, all these— You know, the veal is a tremendous ta'ina on the veal. They starve the animal. That's what the veal is. Why is veal lean? Because they starve the animal. Because they starve the animal. They starve it or they stuff it? Starve it. Veal, not lean meat. Veal is the kid, veal is baby meat. They don't let it grow. Goose they stuff. Goose they stuff. Veal and chickens, what they do is they tie them up so they should be betzar and lay more eggs. They put them in boxes. They put them in boxes, betzar, and they matzair them. So tremendous shaila what the heter is. That's so poshut. Pashut's only for a fool. It's for... No, but that's the two tzadim. That's the two tzadim. How far do you take hishtamshus bnei adam? So does hishtamshus bnei adam mean have fun? So you're allowed to have chicken, what do they call, cockfights, what are those things? Forget about animal rights. Forget about animal rights. But if you enjoy it, is it mutar? What's mutar? Tzitz Eliezer is refuah. What about Chaim with the sugya where they used to cut off, take out the feet? What's the Tosafos over there? I think it's Reb Chaim for tachlis is mutar. So it depends what you call tachlis. What was the case? Mentches tachlis is a sadist. Mentches is a sadist. He enjoys here seeing animals...

Yes, that's the ... That's different. Depends what your kavanah is. It's fun. Who said that's called? That's called legitimate fun. It's a very big shaila. So I'm— But this ...? No, but hunting— Take it out, take it out. We're talking about avodah zarah. Which were you talking about? Which type? ... So you're not masking with the tank that you can move it because it's tzaar baalei chaim with a fish? But you— So how do we find out if fish have tzaar baalei chaim in the tank? Who's going to do the research for me? They're going to die. Huh? They're going to die. That's tzaar baalei chaim, right? If the tank is dirty, they're going to die, right? Yeah. Unless something fell in there that was like— You can't put it in the water. The whole breathing is in the water, and the water is not clean. That's what I think. That's what I told somebody. The guy came and asked me what's the cleanest thing. I told him this. This chazer. Okay. You need a ... You need dirty for a day. You don't die from being dirty for one day. What's the exact case? The exact case is you want to be metaltel because it's bad for the cat. It's not going to die or anything. You want to clean it. So I understood that they eat from it. Read it again, read it again. That's the way I understood, yeah? The shar eats from the avos, right? But it's dirty. You want to push it to the side. You want to clean it. So there there's no ... because he's not living. He's not living, yeah. Yeah, so that's what I was thinking. He's living. He's living there. Maybe it should be mutar. Put shemפו into the fish tank. I think that's what you're supposed to put in. Okay, one more last thing, and then we go weiter, rabosai. The kitzur, yes, you rented the dog, you're allowed to take a dog on a leash? Yeah, take a leash. What's the ...? What about in the Shmira Shabbos ... that it has to be certain wrapped up, and it can't hang down to the ground, and he has a whole list of ... That's because of hotza'ah, maybe. Okay, but if you have an eruv — in Queens we had an eruv — there was no story. Tell you, the guy used to walk his dog every ... What? What, the eruv? Because ... because he called the wrong information. Okay, Shmira Shabbos k'hilchasa, perek chav-zayin, ha'aretz tzadik-vav. Mordechai Tenler. Mordechai Tenler. He's good, he doesn't forget. I reminded a guy today a conversation that I had with him 25 years ago. A certain guy I was talking to — first of all, I was talking to Mati in the morning, Mati ... So I told him, we mentioned a certain thing. He says, How'd you know that? I said, What do you mean? I heard it from you. He goes, Where? What? I told him, I told him word for word the way he told it to me. And then, poof, later on in the day I met a guy. So I tell him, I remember this and this conversation. He goes, How could you remember? I said, I don't know. There's one thing I don't forget is what a guy tells me. I see I have a guy like that here too. I gotta be careful. I can't be ... anything. I don't forget a conversation. Since I'm three years old, I remember everything anybody told me. It's scary, I don't know. Sometimes I still remember the mussar shmues my seventh grade rebbi gave me. Word for word. It's like ... word for word. That was pretty rough. It was rough. I stammered. What's the pshat that Shaul, David and Shaul? How you talk in Shaul? How can you do something like that? Was he crazy? That's the word I used. He took me out, and he told me, Ah, yai yai yai yai, you have no idea what came out of his mouth. Until today, I remember every word that he... You didn't like that he called Shaul crazy? Yeah. And he was right. And because of that... Because he said the ... of whatever Shaul ben Kish. Because of Kish, yeah. Yeah, bichlal. He said he was ... ben Shanah bamalcho. He attached ben shanah bamalcho. That he was a child. So this ... saying exactly — that's not a shtus — this is exactly saying that you're allowed to walk with a leash? It says clearly. It says befeirush. I'm not ... nothing. It says befeirush. This is directly the case. Now, but I'm telling you two steps more. First of all, I'm telling you — now I want to tell you, there is an interesting ... perek chav-zayin, ha'aretz tzadik...

Vav. Let's see what he ties into this. Chav zayin lamed vav. Chav zayin, ha'aretz tzaddik vav. He brings down about the animal to open his mouth, no? Not fun here. Yeah, no, no, I got it. Here. Ein tzarich... af she'asur letaltel es ha'dogim mishum muktzah, b'kol makom mutar letaltel es ha'akvarim. You're allowed to move the aquarium. Rav Shiva Zatzal says you're not allowed to touch the aquarium, huh? Because it's a kli she'melachto l'heter. Keivan she'asur l'noi u'lekishut habayis, b'tzarchin, d'hakli hu habasis l'dogim. So what's the pshat? Yeah, ha'aretz... and even the mayim is muktzah. Well, that's untiltel ha'dogim. You out here? ... mutar letaltel oifes ha'metzaptzefim b'kol no, b'kol, keivan she'me'od neheneh m'kolam, lav muktzah hein, d'hein hu b'minchas Shabbos, petza nat muktzah. V'ain shem b'shvus halachos taanis, mutar letaltel b'mechayev Yisrael tzarich boi tinok. ... asur letaltel. No, no, this is where I'm getting to. So what do you do in this big machlokes? It's even brought down the Rishonim. Anything which you could play with and has a nice... So he's talking about a bird, one of these birds that has nice chirping... Parot, parakit. Lagoyin Reb Shlomo Zalman, or bachdocha raya zu, debishulchan Aruch harav lo mairi klal b'oif kazeh shemeyuchad v'omed l'tina l'tzachak boi. Makes it better, not worse. Makes it better, that's what he's trying to say. Reb Shlomo Zalman said, not so quick. Gam shematna hagoyrim shel Reb Zalman, d'tzarichin al ha... the one that asks it, ... Shabbos. ... Reb Shlomo Zalman agrees that the aquarium is mutar. Okay, you hear? Reb Shlomo Zalman, they aquarium is mutar to move on Shabbos. The only animals that would be muktzah would be the ones that are not yours. So if you have hamsters or whatnot, you can take them out and play with them. That's so pashut. But see, Reb Shlomo Zalman, I hold Reb Shlomo Zalman didn't want to come out klar one way or the other. That's the pshat, these tshuvos. They're gonna start taking extra straw, you're allowed to touch pets on Shabbos. That's all he needed. But he said that it's klar. Not so pashut. It's not so pashut, rabosai. The svara of the rishonim is klar. You're miyached. You see, even in the pet it's not so pashut. You hear? You see with it? And the aquarium is zicher mutar, and walking your dog is zicher mutar. So, rabosai, everything that we grew up to think that everything is aser, nit azoi pashut. Okay, now let's go weiter. And you want to play with the geese, with the chickens. Are you allowed to touch them? So the answer is, if you before Shabbos make up your mind that you want to play with them, that's why you're on the farm for Shabbos. Yesh makom gadol l'hakel. But don't tell anybody, because then they'll run you out of town for it. Okay, now, rabosai, let's do Shin Chaf. Okay, now let's do Shin Chaf Hey. Okay, so let me tell you what the big shaila of Shin Chaf Hey is for me. You know, in Queens, they used to tell us that when they do trick-or-treating, you should give them— Rav Kamenetsky said that. On Shabbos? Yes. So you're going to take it out? So that's Shin Chaf Hey, and I'm going to show you it's mutar. I'm going to show you it's mutar. Even in Queens? Even in Queens. They're going to take it out where? There. It's only drabbanan anyway, because we don't have a reshus harabim. So what? Forget about the eruv, even without the eruv. But I thought Queens is with— But let's say you don't have an eruv. Lakewood. Lakewood. There's a drabbanan. Forget about—you're nudging me with eruv. I want to know the drabbanan. Whenever it's a drabbanan. Okay. We had this in Borough Park also. The neighbors, when we moved into Borough Park—I'm sorry, in Kensington—every neighbor was a...

We had only two Yidden on the block. They went from house to— the neighbors went from house to house trick-or-treating. They couldn't understand, why would we not want to give them? And it was a big shaila. We had a fence in front, so once it's a chatzer, it's a different halacha. We're gonna learn siman chaf, and I was matir it. And boy, did I get it in shul the next morning. How does everybody know that you get stuff in shul? Because it was the same block. What do you mean? No juice in that block. No, I'm saying the people— those... and then I'm mefaresh. I went to shul... Yeah, that's right. What do you think? It was a big tumul. That's the real answer, you know that, because I told everybody, you should do it. Rabbi Yaakov said to do it, right, to give the trick-or-treating because of mishum eiva. Rabbi Yaakov wasn't talking about Shabbos. It might be. Rabbi Yaakov wasn't talking about Shabbos, he was talking in general. So we're gonna learn siman chaf. So how do you want to do this? You want to do this tomorrow, or should we do it quickly now because we don't have a minyan anyway? How are you gonna get a minyan? You want to start being mitzaref snowmen? No one's gonna come. Okay, siman chaf. I also had another thing, which is I think is a very nice shaila. The guy comes to your house. Okay, so we'll do siman chaf good, okay? And then after siman chaf we'll do rechitzah. Rechitzah is a big sugya afterwards, rechitzah on Shabbos. And then I guess we'll go to Purim. We'll start doing Purim and Pesach. Yeah, the olam is maskim? Purim and Pesach? We should do Purim and Pesach. Huh? I have to bring it. You know, I have the whole thing, a whole kuntres that I wrote to Rav Chaim. I'll bring it to you, to Rav Chaim, 35 pages worth, typed. I'll bring it to you. Okay, so I guess, yeah, we should stop now. But you see the sugya, you saw the Chazon Ish? Table chaim, the animal, it's mutar. ... It's just ... it's the same ... Find it for me, ... before. Find it for me. We was talking ... You know, I forgot to ask you ... Nothing yet. The same thing with him. You have no idea why I ... I think they say the ... that the Rav said. No, I'm just saying with these shailas, just ... My only limud zechus is maybe they just can't make decisions. You told people can't decide anything. No, we'll have many of us ... ... He's also coming down. We'll have him. ... I asked him about pets on Shabbos. ... Hard. It's a hard situation. They even wrote in the voice ... They wrote in this ... voice that everyone has a problem. ... Yeah. If you yourself, if you go to whatever it is, the balabos of the school, and you keep on bothering them. You have to ... it's like ... No, no, I feel niche. I have a ... of this school. Yeah, so ... they don't have ... for ... no? What does it mean? That's your shaila. What does it mean ...? ... Yiras Shamayim. Yiras Shamayim. That they made on him that he's yerei Shamayim. No. The ... says that if you watch TV, you ... not a ... not you can ... What did America do? ... Hi, מסתמא... מסתמא we don't pasken. Pasken... What are you gonna do? It's not taka, those that watch because of pritzus. They grew up with it. They look good kosher because you need the misses. You need the misses. You need the... Yiras Shamayim. A kosher מענטש needs Yiras Shamayim. Kol hameir d'meis, olavim kosher. What's the taytch of olavim kosher? ... television. You know that the Debretziner once got up at a levayah. I was there. It was a Queens levayah. Now in Queens there's no such thing as a Yid not watching TV. There's no such thing. What? You're right.