Hilchos Rechitzah on Shabbos: Hot Water, Dud Shemesh, and Warm Mikvaos

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How come the targum Yonason changes from Bnei Yisrael, Am Yisrael, when it, like when it's here, machsheifah lo sichayah. Am Yisrael, don't let a machsheifah live. That's the kasha, huh? Yeah, that's what he wants to know. What's the Am Yisrael? Rabbi Ruben asked me this kasha. He's Rav Chaim Ginsburg's brother-in-law. Yeah. It changes. Let's say by lo sirtzach also it says Am Yisrael. By Shabbos it says here, sheishes yamim ta'avod. Yeah, by the Aseres HaDibros even, even by Yisro, by the Aseres HaDibros also it says here, anochi. Also. There's no words in the pasuk at all? It just throws in Am Yisrael? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Here, lo sisa shem Hashem... Ami beis Yisrael, lo yishtachaveh... b'shomemra. Zachor also, Ami beis Yisrael. Then when it comes to lo sirtzach also, kabeid also, he says, kabeid, vayita, Ami beis Yisrael. Lo sirtzach, Ami beis Yisrael. And then the rest of them is here, lo sinaf, Ami beis Yisrael. But then when it comes to lo sachmod, it doesn't say that, and the rest of it is not. And whenever it says mitzvos, it says Bnei Yisrael. Here it says Ami. He always throws something in? He throws something in, either Bnei Yisrael and by machsheifah, the only time in the Mishpatim... Yeah, what is it? What's going on over here? Very interesting. See, he's asking, he asked me this: What's the chiluk why sometimes like this and sometimes like that? So I told him, mashtika l'avot. I'll tell you what I told him off the cuff. You know, I answer right on the spot, and then I try to look if it's good. He liked it, you know. First not, because he had a different pshat, but his pshat didn't work out. His pshat worked out very good on Machsheifah. Machsheifah lo sechayeh, ami bnei Yisrael, kol aved charshusa lo sekayimun. So here, what's—ami? Why all of a sudden is ami based Yisrael by Machsheifah? Pasuk yud-zayin, chav-beis yud-zayin, ami. So why is it ami? And by the Aseres HaDibros also, some of them are ami, not all of them, but some of them are ami. So what's the pshat? So he told me he wanted to say like this: ami bnei Yisrael, because the Chizkuni says it's like lo sechayeh. It doesn't say to kill him like a beis din dehalachah, but it's like shivah amim lo sechayeh kol neshamah. So therefore it's ami bnei Yisrael. It's anybody, anybody, and he brings a Chizkuni. The Chizkuni says that lo sechayeh kol neshamah, and this lo sechayeh is the same lo sechayeh. It's interesting, because by the case of the witches, they wanted to bring a raya that you could kill more than one person a day, and they brought a raya to Rosh Hashanah. You learned that by witches, similar to Machsheifah, says bichlal there's no shaychus to the dinim of beis din. So what's—so you don't have to come on to Rosh Hashanah. It's mashma in it doesn't. So there's a Chizkuni. I don't have the Chizkuni. I don't know if we have the mekor, it doesn't have the Chizkuni. The other ones have it. Al kol panim, al kol panim, pasuk chav-beis yud-zayin, Machsheifah lo sechayeh. עמי בני ישראל, כל עבד חרשיוסא לא סקיימא. And here, so what do you do with the Aseres HaDibros, though? I want a taina different vort. I want a taina like this. First of all, by the Aseres HaDibros, it's ami. It's taka ami Beis Yisroel. You know, the Ribono Shel Olam made a bris by Matan Torah. The Ribono Shel Olam made a bris with Klal Yisroel. As a matter of fact, here, Shabbos, he talks about ami Beis Yisroel by Shabbos. Makes sense. What's the ben zivug of Shabbos? It's Klal Yisroel. It's ami Bnei Yisroel. Gevisse zachin are miyuchad to ami. He lo yirtzach. It's ami Beis Yisroel lo yirtzach. This is not the regular din of ami. It's the regular din of lo yirtzach. Even a goy has lo yirtzach. So what, you're going to compare the lo yirtzach from a Yid to a goy? This is special. Aseres HaDibros is special. Ami, kabed es avicha v'es imecha. A goy also has kabed es avicha v'es imecha. No, it's ami, kabed es avicha v'es imecha. Aseres HaDibros is, on top of the sheva mitzvos Bnei Noach, miyuchad. I, what do you do with machsheifah lo sechayeh? I wanted to say, yishteitach by Bilam, Ami zichorna, ma yotze lecha.

Bilam, that the Ribono Shel Olam wasn't ka'as, that the Ribono Shel Olam showed special ahavah, that He wasn't angry, and Bilam was the head of the machsheifah. He was the head of the koisim ksamim. He was the biggest, the biggest—what's... Someone asked me a kasha. Let's see what you tayn. How come the Targum Yonason on some of them says Ami, and otherwise he says Bnei Yisrael? So by the Aseres HaDibros, a few of them are Ami, and by machsheifah it's Ami. I said that's the pshat. Ami, zicherna. You get rid of machsheifah. Machsheifah says nothing when it says Ami. That's Targum Yonason, not the Targum. You're looking at the Chumash, Targum Yonason. You read the Targum Yonason: machsheifah lo sichayeh, Ami. Rabbi Reuven, that's Reb Chaim. Ami, Bnei Yisrael. Ami, zicherna, ma yatza lecha Bilam, u'ma asah Hashem Elokecha. And the Gemara says Hashem had a special love for Klal Yisrael, so He held Himself back that He didn't get angry. So you get rid of machsheifah. He comes to us on machsheifah: Where do you come to do koisim ksamim? Look what I did for you. ... He comes to Tzatan machsheifah. That's a good vort. Ami, zicherna. You like it. Ami. Ami, don't do machsheifah. So first he didn't hear it because he had his kneitch in the Chizkuni. But then when we saw the other, what do you do with the Leisitzach and Shabbos and the al lo sachmod? So then the Teretz says he was maskim later. You see, it's a special. Yeah, sure, why not? By the kasha, why is three arei miklat in Ever HaYarden? Right. Yeah, because it's not Klal Yisroel, it's among the goyim. But the pshat that it was a society that... Yeah, well, they're among the goyim. So I'm saying it could be all these things is a pshat that it's a society-type thing. Machsheifah maybe society. What about Shabbos? Shabbos, just society's that? Why not? What does that mean, society? No, he means to say is, machsheifah is as ami. I'd rather—the first thing I answered was this, because this is the right way to say it. I mean, it doesn't pass for a Yid. A goy does avodah zarah, but it doesn't work out with Shabbos so much. You're saying—say it better. Say how you want to say it. Because I was once listening to Rabbi Irons from Detroit. He was saying, you see, throughout navi and different things, when there were tainus on Klal Yisroel, if you look at the numbers of how many Yidden were attacked on ... very little. Like Achan. Achan was one person. So why was there a tainah against Klal Yisroel? The pshat was that it was a society that allowed there to be such a person. Right, that's a famous teretz. That's what I'm trying to— Ami means society was kenish forlaid in a chilul Shabbos. Uh-huh. Could be saying good vort. Ami, make sure there's no machsheifah among you. In other words, that's nisht a Klal Yisroel if this is what happens. This is—it's not on the personal level. It's not a love thing. It's a ... Klal Yisroel. Ami, what are you doing? How could you allow? My nation shouldn't allow this. Very good. Yeah? You see, it's a good diyuk, huh? Okay, now this was fun. Now let's do rechitza. Abisl vasser, abisl vasser. Well, that's not from the sink. I ain't trying that anymore. I don't know what happened last time. I thought I was gonna chal. I made a bracha, and then it was ... bracha l'vatala. Couldn't drink it. I don't care the bitter taste, so what big deal? It's like medicine. But the bracha l'vatala is a shaila. It's just bitter. Couldn't drink it. The fish inside the water, you mean? You like that. You remember that vort, huh? I don't think there's water in there. So anything, anything, anything that's liquid, chaveis ... is nachpesa. There's water in there? I got the last drop. Squeezed it out of the bottle, literally. Okay, good. Rabbi Reuven HaArer, Rabbi Reuven, ... brother, and then ... the pidyon haben of my brother. Okay. It's so funny. One mechutan got up to say how the whole inyan of pidyon haben is a seudas for the ruchniyus of the pidyon. And so my father got up and said, The whole thing is because he's patur, because be'etzem he's kadosh, he couldn't do anything in his life. That's my boy's tevei. What's wrong with my boy? He doesn't belong to the kohen anyway. So what's my boy's tevei? Because otherwise he can't do anything. He's like a beheima kedosh; he can't do anything, not for the taas. So mamash it's a...

Because it's as if he has life now, because otherwise I left. I'm going, one second. A's is A's is Z. Ein zogt, az eine zogt fakert. That's good. All right, let's go back. I listen. I'm a good boy, you should know. You want to know the truth? My father is kibud av va'em. I listen. God said pretty good. And the mechutan, there was not one person that listened. Everybody was eating and talking, and he was yelling. And so I put my chair right in front of him, and I said, This is the right thing. Isn't it right to sit there and listen to every word? And I want you to know that Hashem pays me back. I know I'm not that good in learning. It's like, when I taught people listen, it's because I listen to others. Hashem paid me back. You should know that. I know. Kol mechabed avriyos, mechabed... which Gemara in Shabbos? Yeah, but that's different. That's because I listened. I learned to listen to Yidden, and the truth is, I'll tell you where I got the hanhagah tovah from. I have a friend, Aaron Cohen, Reb David Cohen's from Flatbush, his son Aaron Cohen. He's a rebbi in Bais Yaakov. He's a rebbi by Reuben. So I remember in camp, Margareten, in Camp Agudah Midwest, Margareten spoke. Most of us listened, but he had this thing to sit there and show that I'm listening. Margareten once came over to me and told me, he says, Take a look how he sits and listens to me. And I realized the importance of listen to the speaker. And you know who else had this thing? Who was the gadol in this inyan? He would sit an entire Shabbos listening to speeches. Rav Pam. Rav Pam. By their good conventions, Rav Pam would sit there and look at the speaker the entire Shabbos. I couldn't understand how his neck wasn't... Most of the oilam was either sleeping or taking out sefarim; they couldn't handle it. He would sit and listen intuitively, like, I'm interested in hearing. Okay, now you see what it means to hang around big people. Little things rub off. Little things. Anyways, so that's it. I listened to him today. That's what I listened to. I don't know if I understood everything he said, but it was close, close enough. Now, rechitza. Let's go. We have a lot to do today. I don't want to finish. And like I said, tomorrow... I know, we're going to talk about it. I have to work on it a little bit. Let's work on it. You did a little bit of the working on it, so let's work on it. Come. Tomorrow, בעזרת ה', my brother is making a bar mitzvah. I can't be here. So work it out between you, so maybe someone else should say, maybe someone else should say chaburah or whatever it is. No, no, no. I don't know Shabbos. Okay, let's get to work. Now... okay. Okay, so let's go again. Okay, yesterday we began with the Shulchan Aruch that there's an issur rechitzah on Shabbos. The Shulchan Aruch discusses, איבר איבר, כל גופו, במים ש... Shabbos. Everybody saw this inside? Okay. We pointed out a Biur Halacha that brings a Beki'ei. That if you're a mitzta'er, a person could be meikel, because b'makom tzaar lo gazru. Does everybody see this? It's a one-liner bir halacha, yeah? I pointed out that the heading of the bir halacha is on mayim shehuchmu me'erev Shabbos. It's not on mayim shehuchmu b'Shabbos. So the mashmaus is that we're meikel only on mayim shehuchmu me'erev Shabbos. Otherwise, why do you have to go on that heading? So if you look, takke, the Rebbi Akiva Eiger, which is the mekor of it, it's in Shulchan Aruch. It's the Rebbi Akiva Eiger in Shulchan Aruch on this se'if. He takke says it on mayim shehuchmu me'erev Shabbos. He takke says by mayim shehuchmu me'erev Shabbos you can be meikel. Now, I did ask you, is this like a starker takanah, or is this a weaker takanah? And when I asked you, because anyway today we don't have the Bavloim, we don't have the people who wash the—who heat up the mikveh, who heat up the heaters over there, the bathhouses. So maybe the gezeirah doesn't apply so much today, and therefore it's קל, like by gezeiras shechikas samemanim, with the cheshbon that we spoke.

Because l'maaseh, any guy could go turn on hot water. Right? I hear. L'maaseh, Reb Akiva Eiger does say that it's more kil. Reb Akiva Eiger, it's very kedai to see the Reb Akiva Eiger inside. Go take out the Reb Akiva Eiger. He takke says it's more kil. It's not a shtarke takanah. The shaila only is, oyb azoi, why do you need only mayim sheuchlin Erev Shabbos? I'm not sure. Dafka, look up the Reb Akiva Eiger. Look it up again. It's takke not such a chumradike thing, and therefore mitztaref is mutar. And that leads me to answer what I really asked you yesterday. What kind of a mitztaref are we talking about? Are we talking a mitztaref of choleh? It's just it's not called choleh kol haguf; it's a shvacher choleh kol haguf, or any mitztaref. L'choira, Reb Akiva Eiger is trying to say the raya that it's more kil is that we're meikel even by a regular mitztaref. That's what he means, that it doesn't have to be a cholehdike mitztaref. Now read Reb Akiva Eiger. It's mamash the— you know what it is? From the biur halacha, you see it's something, because he goes on the mayim sheuchlin, so obviously it's going on that. But then it's not choleh kol haguf. Lafuke what? It's a tzaar that it's a choleh, but it's not a choleh kol haguf. Here, for example, a guy has a fever, right? Is that called a choleh kol haguf? I don't know, he has a headache. Is that called a choleh kol haguf? It's a choleh. That's called a choleh. Or maybe stam mitztaref, it's hot. A guy comes, he's sweated up, he's hot. Choleh kol haguf? Pashut just means— No, but I was asking, what does mitztaref mean? Mitztaref means— Mitztaref means he needs to wash because of pain. No, I understand. I'm saying, but not choleh kol haguf. Means that even though he's washing— No, so I'm asking, does mitztaref mean sick? Does mitztaref mean, or stam he's uncomfortable, any discomfort? From Reb Akiva Eiger is mashma that he's saying it's kil, and that's why it's obviously mitztaref is okay. Not sick. So then obviously he's not sick. So then what do you have to say? Every drop blood is mutar b'makom choli. What are you talking about? Every drop blood is mutar b'makom choli. But what does Reb Akiva have to go on that it's kil? Forget about kil. He's washing parts of his body that doesn't make a difference. If you're a mitzta'er and the pshat is that you're not well from this mitzta'er. But weirdly he's mitzta'er. It's mashma from here that he's mitzta'er in a local area, but he's being ... kol haguf. Even though he's only mitzta'er in a specific area, and it's not ... Where did it say he's only mitzta'er by his hand? He's washing his... That's how I'm reading it. Is that what it says? It says, mitzta'er, af she'eino cholek kol haguf, mutar; yesh lomar mutar lichrotz. Mutar lichrotz what? Kol... You're saying that the hetter of the kol guf is the chiddush. Read the Reb Akiva. I understood that the mitzta'er is the chiddush. Read it again. Read it one more time. I hear, he's learning a whole different pshat in Reb Akiva. Reb Akiva maybe means that the hetter of kol haguf, even though you're mitzta'er on one eiver, you're taka choleh on that eiver. So if you don't need that to help that one eiver, then why is it mutar? Because it's... No, because eiver achad anyway. You know, you're in pain and like... It's a big chiddush. That's why taka it's mutar kol haguf. It's not like you need to be meshayer. So why is it mutar kol guf? Yeah, why is it taka mutar? If your hand hurts and washing your whole body doesn't help anymore... So why is it chayin that in Reb Akiva? Ask the talmidim. Let's see how he learns Reb Akiva. Go ahead. If it's just your hand that hurts... See, you hear how I learned it? I learned it it's a mitzta'er shevach. He's learning kol guf is the chiddush. I don't understand why. No, that's what he means. He means it's a mitzta'er, it's not pshat he's choleh. That's not choleh kol haguf. That's what he means. It means you feel uncomfortable. Just get krank a bit. Just get krank a bit. You know, you're not a sick person. It's a little uncomfortable. The way you're learning is all you need to do is wash your hands and take care of the problem, and that's mutar l'chatchilah, so why did— I'm not saying it's his hands. I'm not saying it's his hands. It's definitely— The only kasha I have is, the only kasha was medaftekh freg, so why is it mayim she'uchin me'er Shabbos then? Why doesn't Rabbi Akiva Eiger say stam it's mutar on Shabbos? Why only mayim she'uchin me'er Shabbos? That's the only thing that's kill. But why? Mah nafshach, if you're gonna say that it's kil, I mean because that gezeirah is kil. The whole gezeirah is killed. That's what you're saying, no? Yeah, so then he's— mayim she'uchin on Shabbos is not the gezeirah. Erev Shabbos was asur, mayim she'uchin b'Shabbos. Nobody said that mayim she'uchin b'Shabbos is kil. The gezeirah of— no, so that's why all rechitzah is kil, he says. He says all rechitzah— this is— no, all the rechitzah is kil. Rechitzah is more kil. Rechitzah is more kil. You were saying that this gezeirah is kil because the whole gezeirah is— And shouldn't he shtell to— Yeah, what, what? Yeah, because mikzas choli is any discomfort is called a mikzas choli. We don't— mikzas the guf, we don't mean mikzas the guf. Mikzas choli means any discomfort. I'm saying, but is mitzta'er mikzas choli one thing or two separate things? Let's say it's the same thing, but it's not choli. That's— see, you're learning it's not kol haguf. You're learning that it's one ever...

Because, mikzas min me'eiver, mikzas shvach, vadai. Svaked, thanks for proving the point. I appreciate it. You know something? That's what it is. The word was, that's klal halacha. Mikzas chayli means he's a little crank, kvetchy. He's a little kvetchy crank. Obviously, that's what kol haguf means. It means crank. It means not full. If he's telling you that, then it's for sure right. So even on Shabbos it's killed because you're not really doing anything wrong. It's only al gezeirah. Ata zeh, ata zeh, ata zeh, purposely do it on Shabbos. Ata zeh, ata zeh, ata zeh. So you see, anyway, you see more or less what we spoke yesterday, that rechitzah is not the same as chomer gezeirah. The what? Like you? Of course it's like you. Otherwise I would have... It's kilui, oisim shashuim, he says it, no? So I don't see why only on Chochmah me'erev Shabbos. Should be mutar even on Shabbos. Yeah, but why? If it's kilui, it's kilui. I mean, go the whole... Yeah, but let's say it was done b'heter. Let's say a goy did it for you. Let's say it's done b'heter. I'm talking about huchman b'Shabbos b'heter. I'm talking about there's cases where it's huchman b'Shabbos b'heter, no? So why didn't you say? I don't know. Once you said the word mikzas chayli, it was over. The match was finished. The minute you said mikzas chayli, it's done. You start with the mikzas chayli, you're finished. That's it. The game is over. Mikzas chayli means kvetchy. That's what it means. Shvach. Shvachlach. He's not feeling so well, but it's not that he's a choleh. Okay. ... is davka mayim shehuchmu, and the pshat is of mitzta'er. I guess any discomfort, the פסחוועיס, it's bothering him. Could you start clarifying how much discomfort? I don't know. Where's the... is a child could get off the... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Okay, so pasken, this I'll leave to you. What's called a מצטער? מצטער means some guy's, some guy's, if they don't feel very, very fresh, they're מצטער. Oh, מצטער means, taki, sweaty, walked a far walk, and comes back on Shabbos afternoon, he's not feeling it. He's feeling very uncomfortable. I don't know. I don't know the level of מצטער. So write מצטער, and look on the bottom of Neveh Netzel if he explains the hagdarah of מצטער. I don't know. How would this be applicable nowadays? Rashbi would say, avada is a real מצטער. ... מצטער. How would you apply this nowadays? You have a guy turn on the hot water. How would I apply? ... You want to take some hot water and rub it on yourself. No, that's mutar anyway, because that's איבר... Okay, but you want to... give me a practical case. Nobody's having... You want a real practical case? You have a guy turn it on for you. A guy turn it on. Okay, so ... a guy turns it on. Have a guy turn on the shower. ... you could maybe say מצטער. Now we're telling you, this gezeirah... that's mutar. Good, fine. That's a good example. Maybe, because I'm a little afraid of the ... a little bit more. You're really making... You're the ... person. Yeah, okay, but you're really making it... You're really playing down the ... You're playing down the ... But maybe if it's mutar, one second, you know, if it's mutar, then the ... comes mutar for it. Adaraba, if you have this ... that it's mutar, so maybe that's the case. You know what, ... Nobody said the melachah. You want to know something? You want to know something, Valdik? You're mitzta'er, and a chanami, have him put it on, on Shabbos. But you need the huchma me'erev Shabbos. You would need the huchma me'erev Shabbos. If it is, yeah, it is. I mean, if you take a shower right on Shabbos, you mean? The beginning of Shabbos, you mean? You didn't use any hot water on Shabbos. But then right away it starts to cook. You have a bishul. How you— First of all, bishul is a different problem, so I don't know what— it's another problem. Whatever it is, you're not putting hot water on Shabbos. Yes, so then it's the rechitzah. You want that melachah of rechitzah, not the bishul, and I don't know what you— That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's not the same case. You got a problem of a goy putting on hot water. Well, how much tzaar does it have that if you're— to be over a melachah, how much tzaar do you need? Real, real chol? Yeah, it has to be real tzaar. It can't be some discomfort. So then the whole Shabbos goes out the window. No, real tzaar. I don't have my cholent, I'm mitzta'er. I don't have my— Well, you already said that if you don't have the cholent, you could— because you don't feel well. What do you mean? That's hot. That's a real mitzta'er. What do you mean? That's— Okay, but that's called a case of mitzta'er. Okay, rabosai, this is basically the halachah in somewhere, and each person has to be magdir it lefi his—

We can talk out loud. That's even if you hold you're allowed to be in a mikveh, you're not allowed to be there long. That's not the neis. We can talk about the mikveh. Let's go in. You don't even know how much I want to finish. You're not allowed to sit there, ... says you're not allowed to be there too long. Yeah, because that's ... people, they don't know the halacha. No, even the ... that's muttar to go into a hot mikveh, but it's only l'shem mitzvah, shebo'el al tzd karban nisanel. Anything which is not l'shem mitzvah. ... Okay. What's a ...? I don't know. Because it's comfortable, you mean? Yeah, you're not allowed to be there too long. You're supposed to go in and out. That's ... Even if you're going to use the heter of acharonim, it's in and out. That's the heter of acharonim. No, it's only ... What do you mean ...? Because you're cold, you mean. Why would a guy need to stay longer in a mikveh? Because he's ... Why does a guy ...? No, mikveh to wash yourself. That's with the heter, but if you're ... then you're allowed to wash. No, why is a guy ...? I just tell you, if a guy is hot and he walked very far, that's called a ... That's called a ... There was an ... The Gemara says ... Okay. Now, rabosai, okay, so this is inyan number one, all right? This is basically what I touched on yesterday, and we're finishing it today, all right? That Reb Akiva Eiger, for some reason, only matir mayim sheuchin me'erev Shabbos al tzad mitzta'er. I can help you. It's only for ma'amshich me'erev Shabbos. It doesn't help you on a regular hot mikvah. I don't know. You have to know the cases. Some of them heat them on Shabbos, some heat them erev Shabbos. ... because, you know, even ... they keep on reheating. Also, it's mutar. We learned this. That's called ma'amshich me'erev Shabbos. That's a case of ma'amshich me'erev Shabbos, because since it cooked on Erev Shabbos, it just stays al ha-plata, so we ... that's called remained heated. That's mutar. I don't know the case. What? We spoke. We said, uh, Reb Shlomo ... we'll learn, we'll learn. Okay, we'll get to the mikvah. Let's just wait. Okay. Yeah? The bihalachah ... Rabbi Akiva Eiger, yisur? Next. Rabbi Akiva Eiger, yisur. Okay. Now, now, rabosai, let's go to the next inyan, okay? Come. Nu, nu, nu, nu, nu, nu. Right. Okay. You ready? Here we go. Good, good, good. ... as long as you're happy, as long as you'll come back to learn, you can do what you want. Just come back the next night, that's all. Just take off tomorrow. I'm happy, believe you me. It's a zechus to be around sifrei Torah, I promise you. It's a tremendous zechus. So that's how I feel. Okay. Now let's see the sugya of eiver eiver, yeah? ... eiver eiver, yeah? Huch me'erev Shabbos, eiver eiver is mutar or asur? You're doing kol gufo? Oh, what about kol gufo? Says it's asur. We pasken ... it's asur, right? Even if it's raiv, says the Mishnah Berurah, I have a shaylah. It means that you went in to the shower and you're washing ever, ever. Well, I'm talking washing separately, ever, ever, to the one plus one plus one equals kol gufo. I mean, I have a shaylah. I go into a shower, so it's all over me. I go into a bathtub, it's all over me. What happens if I go in and I wash it ever, ever? In the shower? In the shower is the normal way to do it. A person can go entirely into a bathtub. A person can go entirely under a shower. That's kol gufo. Or, no, I wouldn't say that's kol gufo. I could hear where a person goes under the shower, hand, foot. What happens if I take hot water and I wash ever, ever, not as a bath? You mean that's shlok derech? Yes, that's my shaylah. Sounds like that's not called shlok derech rechitzah, because the only case of shlok derech rechitzah is to be miskaven. My question was, ever, ever, derech rechitzah.

Eiver eiver shelo k'derech chitzah. That's the question. Who said that shelo k'derech chitzah? It sounds like the only shelo k'derech that we have over here is daled. I don't know. I don't know. So that's my shaylah. And when people do it, maybe they do it like that. Maybe they do it that way. I don't take my shower. Where do we see the— I don't know. I'm asking a pashut shaylah. Where do we see not that way? Where do we see— ... v'loshpech hamayim. V'loshpech hamayim is stam not shower; he's just throwing it on you. He's trying to say not a bath, but a throwing on you. Where is the ... that doing eiver eiver is like one and then that one? Who said that that's not— Okay, so the truth is there's a lashon that the Biur Halachah, the Mishnah Berurah says in sif daled. You saw the Biur Halachah, the Mishnah Berurah? The Mishnah Berurah in sif daled? Yeah. Not say siman daled, sif daled, sif, sif. The Mishnah Berurah, I think it's yud-zayin maybe. It's sif katan yud-zayin. By that case of being miskavein neged ha'or, not to have cold water on you and just sit by— So what do you see from here? So what do you see? That there is a shtikel vort of shelo k'derech chitzah. But how far are we going to stretch this? I don't know. So I want to stretch. You know what? I want to do that. You have a problem with that? I want to do that. I want to stretch it, because I want to stretch. I want to stretch that maybe, maybe if it's shelo k'derech chitzah, eiver eiver is not a problem. But who said? I don't know where you got your information. Who said not? Who said? I don't know what you want, vas? Where'd you get your information? The two cases is— kogufo vasachas is you just go directly, entire body. Correct. Eiver eiver in a shower is I stick my hand in and then I put my head in and then— Right. As opposed to, I'm not in the shower. Correct. I just stick my hand under the faucet. Correct. That you're saying is not derech chitzah. Correct. Maybe the chacham didn't ask. Wait, which Mr. ...? I know, I'm saying. Okay, it's... maybe it's only... okay, it's... Yeah, but that's even levad. It's not k'derech rechitzah, and that's aser. I understand. I understand. But what is not... I could hear that the chacham didn't aser. The chacham didn't aser. ... Shabbos. What is derech rechitzah aser? Something that is no... Tavlan. It's not shayach to the story. The story was that he went into the bathhouse. It's not a bathhouse. You know what? It's not derech rechitzah. I would tell you even more. I would tell you even more that the reason why they were matir panav yadav v'raglav, because it's not k'derech rechitzah. That's the whole reason. It's not derech rechitzah. It's not a shower. Panav yadav v'raglav is a shower. Learns like he said קודם. ... Ever levad is not called derech rechitzah, not so much derech rechitzah. Not so much derech rechitzah. Still aser. Tell me something. Why were they matir panav yadav v'raglav? Why were they matir panav yadav v'raglav? You want to tell me? Because... because... Thank you, thank you. Say it again. What did you just say? It's not domeh to the gezeirah. Nothing to do with k'derech rechitzah. I just said that. That's what I'm just telling you. Ever is the same thing. Shloike derech rechitzah is something unusual, not like the... Sound just like me. That's exactly what I just said. It's not the same case of Bavlani. It's not the same case of Bavlani. There's a shloike derech which is unusual, and there's a shloike derech... I don't mean shinui. Vos vilst af mech shinui? Maybe that's what the pshat is. You thought I meant shinui. I know you would have. I know, I know. The teretz is that it's not aser, because that's not what the Chachamim assered, the Chachamim assered beit has. No, because the Chachamim assered beit has. You thought I mean shinui. I don't mean that. I don't mean shinuiyim in hilchos shinui. I mean they assered a bath. They didn't asser you to wash your hands and face. They didn't asser ... me'er Shabbos. They didn't asser. So why did they asser ever lavan? I'm telling you, even in a case where you go into a bathhouse and you wash ever lavan ... on Motzaei Shabbos. Now you can ask me where's the gezeirah. You can ask me where's the gezeirah. I'll tell you where's the gezeirah. There's a big tumul in Eretz Yisrael: what is the dud shemesh? What exactly is that? What is called dud shemesh? Because there's no melachah b'Shabbos. There's no ma'aseh melachah. So Reb Shlomo Zalman speaks about it. Some say aser, some say it's mutar. If I'm not mistaken. Big tumul. Here, come here, look at it. Shemiras Shabbos k'Hilchasah, perek yud-daled, ha'arah yud-zayin, that the chiluk between huchmu b'Shabbos and huchmu me'er Shabbos, there was no ma'aseh chilul Shabbos. That's where the chiluk is.

Pashtus. Maiseh, there was a maiseh in Gehenna. Yeah, so they... Huh? But it has to do with Neheneh. There's a shtikel neheneh there also. So forget if it was done b'heter. B'heter. So there's a tzad maybe it's mutar. We'll talk about that in a few minutes. If a goy does, we'll talk about it in a few minutes. I'm just giving you an example where in Eretz Yisrael it's not so poshut that taking a shower with hot water on Shabbos is huchmu b'Shabbos. It could be considered huchmu mei erev Shabbos. ... Right, what did he say? Start again. What did he say? Yeah, the last part, what? So even though he says that still, mayim shenischammu b'dud shemesh, it's mitztaref, it's asur lirchotz bahem kol gufo, even if nischammu me'erev Shabbos. B'prat shehadud shemesh... Good, continue. Okay. So let's say, huh? It's a shaylah with the shemesh, because it's not that it's made on Shabbos; it just became hot. It's water becomes hot by itself, huh? No, he's trying to say, so therefore, because he learns that the dud shemesh is like now it's a boiler. We look at the dud shemesh as a boiler. We don't look at it that the sun baked it by itself. The question is, is it called ma'aseh Shabbos? The sun did it, nothing happened. So the question is, why do you look at a dud Shabbos? Technically, you see it's not so pashut. Many gedolim in Eretz Yisrael say it's not called ma'aseh Shabbos; it's called ma'aseh, it's hucha me'eilav, it happened by itself. And then what becomes mutar, panav yadav v'raglav becomes mutar, okay? So what happens if I go into the shower with an undershirt? I go into the shower with underclothing. Person wants to go. What would you call that? Is that called panav yadav v'raglav? Is that called ever ever? What would you call that? Is that called gufoi? I saw people do it sometimes, after swimming. They go in with the... so that's called the shower. Okay, the kitzur, this is my shaila. If a person, b'makom that there's a heter on mayim shehuchmu, maybe on Erev Shabbos, on all these cases. So I told you yesterday that Rabbi Kohn brings a BaYanter. I don't know who he quotes, somebody, but when I saw it I was very impressed with it. It's a lomdishe vort. He brings from some meyadim bahalacha, I don't know what he's quoting, I have no idea what he's quoting. He says that— No, but you can't take a shower on Yontif. You're not allowed to use hot water for a shower on Shabbos. We hold it's not shavah l'chol nefesh. Hagam today, mistama, it's shavah l'chol nefesh. When we get to Hilchos Yontif, we can talk about it. So he brings down this vort: you go into the shower and you make ever ever, ah, you're not allowed to go into the shower, he says. There's a problem going into the shower, which I don't know. Truthfully, it's the lomdus that we're saying here. But I don't know if he's coning. I don't know. He's coning some sefer. I don't know what that means. What do you mean, to go into the shower? Because, yeah, yeah. There's two sugyas. There's eiver eiver and there's taking a shower. It's a different sugya. So that... eiver eiver. Turning on the hot water is... The turning on might be a cheshbon that you have... No, sofek. It's mayim she'uvin me'ariyah. If you have mayim she'uvin, or there's a heter for shower. When you have a heter for shower, l'mitzta'er, whatever the case may be. Why are you allowed to... I'm saying because let's say there's a heter for this thing, so then you have the gezeiras chamin. That's how he learns. Afterwards there's gezeiras chamin, and then there's a problem of... I don't understand. What's the—not our sugya—what's the heter to turn on the hot water? When? On Shabbos? On Yontif? There's no issur bishul on Yontif. It's not starting a fire? No, I'm telling you it's like this: luyitzuya. There's no fire; it just reheats the water. Luyitzuya. Okay, I'll tell you where I said this, and you'll see what happens. Somebody came to me that they just had a baby. Just had a baby, and the woman feels very uncomfortable with the nursing, and she needs to take a hot shower. How long ago she had the baby?

What's mutar? But mayim shechuchmu b'Shabbos. What's the shayla, the mayim shechuchmu b'Shabbos? What do you do with that? So the gezeirah is rechitzah. So that was taka the case. They had a nurse. That's why I said, take a nurse to put on the hot water. I have the problem, gezeirah rechitzah. Go with something that becomes eiver. You took care of the ma'aseh shehuchmu b'Shabbos, so it's like huchmu b'erev Shabbos, and for the takanah of eiver, eiver, they should go with this. That's what I told the person. I guarantee you had no idea what I'm talking about, and I guarantee he went around telling everybody, You heard what he said? Okay, but that's part of the business. I got it from—what's called eiver eiver? Okay. Yes. Maybe. Now let's go weiter. Would you say—huh? Eiver eiver levad, what's aser in the mishuchan aruch is also not called derech rechitzah. I'm asking you, efsher it's only when you go into the bath. What? Maybe eiver eiver is mutar. What the Mishnah says, the Shulchan Aruch says, to put water—eiver eiver levad, that the Shulchan Aruch asers. The case is called shelo k'derech rechitzah. That's what the case is called in Reb Yitzchok... So I don't agree with you. I agree it's levels of shelo k'derech rechitzah. But that's what we're talking about. So then how many levels are there? How many levels are there? Okay, next. My question is, shrayb un tracht. We don't have time to sit on every word that I say. It's not that important. Now, how about mitztayer is mutar, mayim shehuch? How about kavod habriyos? Would you be matir? Would you stretch a kiveig al kavod habriyos? Yeah, for yenem mitztayer. Person is... I'll tell you where I use this. Listen carefully, listen carefully. Negiah, when the husbands are together with their wives on a Friday night, it should be—it's mutar to be reichatz with warm water. Take water from the urn if you need warm water and be reichatz. Shailah of kavod habriyos, shailah of nekiyus and kavod habriyos. You could shtel the mitztayer for the same ribui kiveig. What, the guy's sweaty? It's a shailah over the cases. It's a shailah of cleanliness. It's a shailah of cleanliness. Then you have kavod habriyos, so that becomes mutar. Okay, let's go weiter. What about masking? On the other ragel is mutar anyway. What? Not—panav yours is not mutar. What are you talking about? But again, you have to have, first of all, mayim shehuch me'erv Shabbos. But you just said, you just said it was mayim shehuch me'erv Shabbos from the urn. So part of yad ragel is mutar. You're not getting enough water over the urn to do your whole body anyway. You don't need—it's mayim shehuch me'erv Shabbos. Mayim shehuch me'erv Shabbos. Okay, you're right. My chiddush was actually on Yontif. That's the truth. My part was actually Yontif. Yeah. No, yeah, right. Mayim shehuchmu on Yontif and mitztayer and kavod habriyos, right? That's really what I wanted. Huh? We say that's asur in all things. Actually, it's yontif. I'm sorry, for Shabbos it wouldn't help because anyways you don't need it, right? Yontif. Not for Shabbos. Not for Shabbos. Then you can use it also, because you already warmed it up for coffee. You have the problem of gezeiras rechitzah. You have the problem of gezeiras rechitzah. You warmed it up for coffee. You have gezeiras rechitzah, now you have a problem of gezeiras rechitzah, not to take a bath. Yontif. Huh? Not for rechitzah. Two separate things. There's the issur of... Okay. Now, rabosai, paish. Let's go to sif katan, I think it's zayin, right? Mishnah Berurah. Okay, and this is where we left off yesterday. Sif katan zayin, mikveh. All right? So we had that the mikveh, it has to be kosher, and he quotes two sources. What are the two mekoros? One is the Noda B'Yehuda and the Chavas Daas. Now let me tell you what's going on in this little Mishnah Berurah. So much going on in this little Mishnah Berurah, if you only knew. Okay, so yesterday I showed you that if you look at sif daled and sif hei, as well as the Shaar HaTziyun, we asser poishrim. We hold poishrim is asur, right? Right? Olam saw it yesterday. Poishrim, sif daled, sif hei.

That you're not be mischam even poshim, to make it that it should become poshim. And we pasken even yad over raglav. So how could the Mishnah Berurah be matir to go into a mikvah which is poshim? Okay. So the truth is, we came and we said that it depends on the level of poshim. We said over from Reb Yehman Zilber, it depends on the level of poshim, right? If it's poshim, which is just the not to be hot, you know, cold, that's what he calls mutar. But where it's poshim, that it's taka warm, then it's asur, right? We said this. I told you in the Mishnah Berurah there's no zecher of all this, but the truth is it's a Chacham Tzvi. Chacham Tzvi says that if your kavana is just to make it that it shouldn't be cold, then it becomes mutar. Chacham Tzvi, siman yud aleph. Rabosai, if you have the search engines, chaveirim, if you have your mako, go type up, take out the Chacham Tzvi, bring it tomorrow or the day after. It's kedai to see the Chacham Tzvi inside. Siman yud aleph. The Sidrei Taharah in kuf tzadi zayin, sif katan tes, is marech on this Chacham Tzvi, and Reb Akiva Eiger is cholek on the Chacham Tzvi. Reb Akiva Eiger in the Shaas Teshuvos, siman yud zayin, says that it's a mefakfek on this sevara, that if it's poshim and your kavana is just that it shouldn't be cold, then it's mutar. Maybe it has to do with Reb Akiva Eiger with mitzta'er. You know, if it's cold, you'll be mitzta'er. So if it's just kavana is just to make it that it shouldn't be mitzta'er, so then it becomes mutar. I'm just telling you, it's the lomdus of the Chacham Tzvi maybe is this, that it ain't asur. You're not coming there to make a bath out of it. You're just trying to take away the tzina. Okay, so these are the mekoros. Now, to come and say that that's what the Mishnah Berurah means is a tremendous chiddush, tremendous chiddush. Now, the emes is, the Mishnah Berurah is up k'valdik. Mishnah Berurah brings you two mekoros. The heter of what, if it's cold, we're going to talk about. You're allowed to go into cold. We're going to learn this in a few minutes. Oh, one minute, we're going to learn. Before we get to that, just know that the Noideh B'Yehuda is matir peisher. That's the Noideh B'Yehuda. That's what he means by Noideh B'Yehuda is peisher. That's the yesod of the Noideh B'Yehuda. The Karban Nesanel, the Karban Nesanel is mikveh mitzvah. So that's what this Mishnah Berurah is. That's what you have to know in this Mishnah Berurah. Mishnah Berurah, b'leshonei hazahav, he's telling you peisher, mikveh. There's two key words there: mikveh and peisher. D'hainu, what happens if it's peisher and not mitzvah? I don't think the Mishnah Berurah would be matir it. Could someone come and say, Oh, you see, peisher is mutar from the Mishnah Berurah? If he's quoting the— Avada! That's what I'm trying to tell you. The Noideh B'Yehuda is mutar peisher even without mitzvah. He holds the takanah was never on peisher. This is upgelant, the Mishnah Berurah. You read the Mishnah Berurah, you have no idea when you read it what was tzachap. He brings you the Noideh B'Yehuda and the Karban Nesanel. You know what he means? He means mikveh mitzvah and peisher, Noideh B'Yehuda. Together you have a Mishnah Berurah. So stam peisher shelo b'makom mitzvah, asur. Peisher shelo b'makom— And the Karban Nesanel was matir mitzvah even if it's chamim? Mitzvah, mitzvah. He was matir. He says, Rabim nohagim, and the Cheshbon is mitzvah. What's the lomdus? The chacham didn't make a takanah on it. Chacham, even chacham, the chacham didn't make a takanah on it. They make takanah, they make a takanah. It's mitzvah, mitzvah, yeah? No, that's by cold. By cold it's outzchitah. There's gezeirah for chitzah. There's two different sugyas. We'll soon get to that. We'll soon get to cold. Okay. Now comes out a chiddush, yeah? Comes out a chiddush, I'm sorry. I want to tie an interesting yesod, yeah. Poishrim that the Shulchan Aruch talks about. Why are you standing next to the hot water? What are you doing next to the hot water? The case of daled and hei, that poishrim is aser. You're putting on the water, and then you're heating yourself next to the water. What's the reason for that? Because you're talking one hot shower. What are you doing, daled and hei? Mashenkin if you go in because you have to go in, and the problem is you just don't want to get cold or sick or whatever the case may be. So the pshat is there, there's no takanah. Yatah lomd the shavos, yatah lomd the shavos. Where the pshat...

That is that you're looking to have a warm bath. Chachamahsed that. But where the pshat is, you're not looking for the warm bath; you're looking for the bath without the warm. And the warm is only a heichi timtzi; you should be able to get the bath, that the chacham did maaseh. Huh? That zayin. Together, the Mishnah Berurah is putting two things together: peishrim and mitzvah. So either you could come and say he's talking about being mitztaref two different things that have nothing to do with each other, or it could be he's saying a lomdus, that peishrim and mitzvah—I'll tell you what's the negea. Could an isha go to the mikveh when in a hot mikveh? So let's see the Sha'ar HaTziyun, se'if katan aleph. The Sha'ar is chayav v'kayam, it's asur, yeah? You see the Mishnah— you see the Sha'ar HaTziyun? You have it? Aleph, all the way in the beginning, I think. Aleph, huh? Is it hei or is it aleph? I remember the hei. Okay, go ahead, yeah. Nu, nu, nu, nu. So this is a Sha'ar HaTziyun, right? Yeah. What are you quoting? No, what about the Sha'ar HaTziyun? The Sha'ar HaTziyun, se'if katan aleph. That it's asur, right? Asur. Okay. Tell me something. Did the Mishnah Berurah talk about men or ladies in that Mishnah Berurah? Men. What happened to ladies? How come he never spoke about the ladies? It's mitzvah. What? What's the Mishnah Berurah ...? Yes, he does. He says you're allowed to go into a mikveh by men, and he gives a whole ... Which case? I don't know. Maybe men. Maybe—I'll say. Maybe talking ladies, maybe talking men, ladies. Who's he talking about? Karmesam's talking about men, not talking ladies. Karmesam's talking about men. That's the story, talking about men. Rabim shleimim, that they go into the mikveh. You like what we're learning, huh? Does the Mishnah Berurah mean men or ladies? Huh? Litbol. Also litbol. Men or ladies, or maybe it's ... anything. Huh? ... Again, what does it say? ... The tefillah is ... Men and ladies both, huh? Men and ladies. ... Could you look it up, men and ladies? I'll tell you what I would say, a chiddush nifla, yeah. In the winter, it's that they shouldn't get sick. It's cold, yeah? If it's in places where they're not going to go, modern places, they're not going to go if you're going to make a cold mikveh. So the makom mitzvah, you can make. But if the whole cheshbon is just be comfortable, ... In this Mishnah Berurah, what's the story? Huh? He says he talks about patur from mitzvah. Here's the cheshbon because of the Rokeach, the Chacham Tzvi. What else is in this Mishnah Berurah? So maybe a nachanami that in these places, if it's during the winter, you should be meikel. And during the summer, there's no reason. What's taama, warm bath, memeicha teis? Huh? I have to find out what they do here in Lakewood. It's interesting. I might get sick. All right. Okay, rabosai, we'll continue tomorrow. There's a lot more to do here.