Davar Sheyesh Lo Matirin: A Certain Future Heter and the Case of Safek Treifah

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A lot of learning, a lot of learning going on. It's good stuff. All right, Yosef, your Shulchan Aruch, you don't need Shulchan Aruch; it doesn't apply to you. Get a Shulchan Aruch, that's it. He's joined the group. He's a new guy in the kollel. He's a very good guy. Okay. Okay, so siman kuf bet. So the beginning. Yeah, you're typing? The beginning. Nice, interesting, davar she'eino matirim. Sweet, sweet. See, beis, that starts becoming complicated. Got to think, a lot of thinking, a lot of hypothetical machshavah. So let's work on it a little bit, and maybe we'll break see beis into two parts. Okay. Yosef, Yosef, come, let's go. Yeah, go ahead. Shulchan Aruch, read the Shulchan Aruch, nu. יש מי שאומר... יש מי שאומר... that what? שלא אמרו דבר שיש לו מתירין אלא כשהמתיר עתיד לבוא... Okay, so this is the two rules he's laying down. The first rule is, is that it's al kol panim yavo, interesting language, okay? The second one is what? Biyado, without hotza'os, right? So the first thing that jumps out on you is, yesh mi she'omer. That means it's the halacha; it's not the halacha. Somebody said. You know, when you want to not be, what do you call it, caught on your words, that's what you say. What you say is, I heard, there's talk out, somebody said it. I mean, you hold like it, you don't hold like that. What's the yesh mi she'omer? Now—oh, it's not our klal. Now, Ashkenazic sefarim are not going to be busy with those klal. They don't pasken like Maran. How about the other way around? Usually what I find the Maran would be, he'll bring you a de'ah, and he'll say, yesh omrim, and there's a yesh omrim rishon, a yesh omrim sheini, but here there's no argument; it's yesh omrim. What does that mean? Yesh mi she'omer, it's singular. Omer, right? So it's singular. It's not plural. Yeah? So this is the first thing I write. Now, I searched in your cheating books—I don't remember—years ago, because I had, how do you call it, no, fixated by this yesh mi she'omrim. I thought it was a very interesting language in the Mechaber. Omrim—no, yomer. Is anyone arguing? What does it mean? Do we pasken like it? What does he want? Okay. So if you notice, that is yesh mi she'omer. Okay, read the first piece. Yesh is like yesh omrim? Is as if saying yesh omrim? Is that really like we find there, yesh omrim to yesh omrims? Or this is a whole different sugya? Okay, next. Ayin Shach. So he's asking a question? Pretty much. I think that's what the Shach is addressing, yesh mi she'omer, and nobody— yesh mi she'omer, you have to be koreish. Nobody argues on that, but yesh mi she'omer. So there's got to be a reason. Yes, there's got to be a reason, right? So you didn't learn the reason? You didn't do the sugya? I was relying on the books that talk about klal to look it up over there. So let's see. Go ahead, read the Shach inside. Should I look up the books, what it says? You could afterwards. First let's see what I want to say. Yeah. He says, So...

U'mishani, d'mairi b'safek treifah. The Gemara asks: Ihachi, eima seifa, nit'arva b'elef, kulan asuros. Yeimar, Rabbi Shimon, safek yom tov b'safek chol, havi davar sheyesh lo matirin, afilu b'elef lo batel. Ela, yeimar, safek treifah havi davar sheyesh lo matirin, u'mitbatel b'ruba. V'hachtam, mai parich dilma hach, safek asurah d'nit'arva b'elef, mai rubaitza shel safek treifah? Ela vadai, kol kachai gamlei lo havu davar sheyesh lo matirin. He doesn't bring the Tur and the Rashba? This is a different sif katan in the beginning. That's what I want. Yeah, that's what I wanted. I wanted to read it again. Read it again, just the beginning. Yeah, what? ... למה כתב המחבר דין זה בשם יש מי שאומר, שהרי הרשבא והטור סוברים כן, ואין חולק עליהם. What's yesh mi she'omer? What are you referring to? Okay, you like the question? There's one problem with this. You know what the problem is? There is a yesh mi she'omer, the opposite. You know who that is? No, the Beis Yosef brings the Rambam. He learns that the Rambam, he learns the Rambam that argues on this. So go ahead, read it inside the sheet. ... משנה. ... פרק ז', הלכה י'. הרמבם באמת חולק. Okay? So I don't know. Check it up in your cheating books. I'm sure they bring, because it's a birkei Yosef. You have the Birkei Yosef there? You don't have Birkei Yosef? We have it separately. They took it out. Not in print. In my days, I never seen it yet. They had the Birkei Yosef on the side of the ... Shulchan Aruch. I never seen this. By the time I came around, it was nothing like that. Terrible. Anyways, if you look at the Birkei Yosef, he says it's Rambam. So then the question becomes, so what do you want? So why don't you pasken like the Rambam? Yeah. I don't know if you see it. It's not the Beis Yosef. It's Kesef Mishnah, look the way the Zohar peirush, that the Rambam is... So that's the question. The question is, what's takamshat? A, that he doesn't pasken like the Rambam, and B is, what is takamshat in the Rambam? That he holds by all this, this davar sheyesh lo matirin is af al pi kein eino batel. What's takamshat? Are they arguing in davar sheyesh lo matirin? Is that true? Okay, so read. V'yesh l'ayin. Okay. And the kasha, another question: im kein, yesh mi she'omer? We pasken like the Tur and the Rema. V'yesh mi she... the Rema argues. Something's not right here. What is yesh mi she'omer? Halei halacha l'chora nifsak kan kaRashba, haTur. U'mehems kashya: lama behemos lo posek hamechaber kaRambam shekein darko. All right? So let's see a little bit. Ulay, ulay. Yeah, so far so good, so far very good, right? I'm learning up like a sevara, the she'eilah. Go ahead. Ulay, ulay, mishum... What's the reason? Because it's shayach levatel. U'me'achar shehave rak din derabbanan, mekilin kareish mi she'omer. Maybe the pshat is yesh mi she'omer, so therefore we go l'kula. That's what he's trying to say. Since it's yesh mi she'omer that you can be meikel, so therefore we're going to be meikel. So any time you can be meikel, davar sheyesh matirin, maybe you should be meikel. Why not? Yesh mi she'omer that it's mutar, so okay, so that's it. Are you trying to answer why it's singular that way? No, I'm trying to understand this. So let's say yesh mi she'omer that therefore what, you don't pasken the Rambam, you know, and the answer is whenever there's a shaila, we'll go l'kula. Maybe that's what he means. But it doesn't answer the question why yesh mi she'omer, it's supposed to be yesh omrim. Yeah, so that's one sheet. The yesh mi she'omer means the Rashba, okay. Not terrible. Okay, go ahead, yeah. What is the grumbling here? Where did you see gruf? Zayin. That's later, that's later. First let's go slow, let's go slow. V'yesh l'ayin. Halo b'davar sheyesh lo matirin, lo amrinan safek d'rabbanan l'kula. This is where the question is, a rule. I want to know, should you take out from here whenever there's a safek, davar sheyesh lo matirin, do we say no, we go l'chumra because of safek? Seemingly you have to go like the seifa. Seemingly, right? So maybe the Rebbe's answer falls apart then. And the answer is that it doesn't, right? So what's the difference? What do you mean? Meaning you see clearly...

I say, shailah proved to you that we do say safek d'rabbanan l'kula by davar sheyesh lo matirin. The way I learned yesh mi she'omer is that since it's only d'rabbanan, so whoever says mutar, we could follow the mutar. You're gonna say to me, yeah, but what do you do with seifalos? And the answer is, you should have really known all this, because this is really siman beis. The whole siman beis is what I just told you. Go ahead, let's see the next halacha. Go ahead, keep on reading. Yesh l'ayin. Yeah, okay. V'hinei b'hemshech... Why is he... So what does it say if it's not gonna be vadai yavo, right? So one time, davar sheyesh lo matirin, ela k'shematir atid lavo al kol panim. Im hamatir b'yado la'asoso, lo hefsed. Aval davar she'eino b'yado, v'eino vadai sheyavo, hamatir, eino b'din davar sheyesh lo matirin. What's pshat? Why? Why is it that it has to be vadai sheyavo, and if it's not vadai sheyavo, the heter eino b'din davar sheyesh lo matirin? So the Yad Yehuda explains because it's safek d'rabbanan l'kula. Since you don't know if it's coming or not, we say safek d'rabbanan l'kula. Really? How is it safek d'rabbanan? You don't know if it's coming. You don't know if the heter is coming, so maybe it is, maybe it's not, so we'll go l'kula, we'll be meikel. Maybe it's a chisaron yediah. Who said it's a safek? Chisaron yediah. We don't know if there'll be a davar sheyesh lo matirin, so it's a safek davar sheyesh lo matirin. Give me an example. Yeah, you don't know if it's gonna be kosher or not. You don't know if it's... I'll give you the example. Treif. The Shulchan Aruch brings it to you. Read it. The chicken that's safek treif, the chicken that laid an egg and it was nitaref, v'acheres, eino b'din davar sheyesh lo matirin. Why? Because in twelve months you'll see if it's really a treif, you'll see if it lives or not. That's the... The Shulchan Aruch, the Shulchan Aruch. What's wrong? What's wrong? Okay, so then do it again. Not much to follow. Where are you lost? Where did you get lost? Get to the point right now, as far as the example. You know what, you don't even need me, just read it. It says... I read it, I just don't... The chicken that you think it's a treif, safek, you don't know for sure. What do you mean? It was attacked by some animal. You don't know if it's gonna survive, and it laid an egg, and that egg got lost in the other eggs. That's the case. That's the case of the Shulchan Aruch. So the Taz explains the Shulchan Aruch, the Tur, the Taz, they explain, because if you would wait 12 months, if it lives, it wasn't a treif and it was kosher. So it's a safek if it's a davar sheyesh lo matirin. You don't know for sure it's a chicken. You don't know if it's a fatal blow. You're not shechting it. Why would you shecht the chicken? You're not shechting it. You're not holding by shechting it. Why would you shecht it? Now here's another question. Let's say the chicken gives more eggs, and siman zayin it says clearly that that's a siman that it's not a treif. It could lay the egg that it got beaten up by, but to have more it won't have because it's a sick chicken. So see if it gives more eggs. So that's the Tur. This is all in the Shulchan Aruch why this is the case, okay? So the question is, safek, right? Says the Yad Yehuda that works because it's a safek d'rabbanan l'kula. You don't know if it's a davar sheyesh lo matirin, but honestly, he just says safek davar sheyesh lo matirin is asur. There's something that, when you read the dinim, it doesn't add up. Something's not adding up. The question is on the Yad Yehuda. And everybody, I mean, there's no other—that's the way they learn this. How else do you explain it? It's got to be different. Okay, so that's the question. Pashut it means you don't know. You don't know if it's going to be. Says, so the question is, what are you— Exactly. Even though normally we say it, but here we don't say it, so you can't have it both ways. If you hold safek d'rabbanan l'kula, you hold safek d'oraisa l'chumra, davar sheyesh lo matirin. And the answer is, it's not a real question. I mean, the Yad Yehuda is busy with it, but he's saying a tremendous yesod. If you don't know this thing by the davar sheyesh lo matirin, you have a safek on it, then we say l'chumra. But if you have a safek if it's the matirin on the safek, you don't even know if it's a davar sheyesh lo matirin, then of course we say it's l'kula. When we say safek davar sheyesh lo matirin l'chumra, it's a safek on a davar sheyesh lo matirin, not if it's a davar sheyesh lo. My understanding is that the safek has to be on the davar.

Of the Yisro and the matir. And the matir. That's Rabbi's answer? No, it's ... everybody says. It's Minchas Yitzchak, everybody. The what you call the primogadim, and that's what — that's the pshat. It's not even my pshat. It's not even — that's not a pshat. It's the pshat. ... davar sheyesh lo matirin ... ... b'etzem hadavar, im heim matirin, sheaz holchin l'kula. Holchin l'kula. That's סעיף ב. You want to know — that is סעיף ב, right? Underline this, because that is סעיף ב. There's nothing else in סעיף — this is it. סעיף ב. סעיף א is davar sheyesh lo matirin, safek is aser. And סעיף ב is a safek if there'll be a heter or not, it is mutar. That's it. That's the whole — you know, you want to learn how to read, this is it. It's not my chiddushin. That is it. א is davar sheyesh lo matirin, safek aser. And this is a good trick question: is safek davar sheyesh lo matirin mutar or aser? And the teretz is, safek al davar sheyesh lo matirin is aser; safek b'davar — no, it's true. That's not a chiddush. It's just, it is what it is. Ah, so what do I have with this? So can I really apply that to the yesh mi she'...? Not really, right? Because the yesh mi she'... I'm just trying to say is, since it's a kula, we'll go l'kula. Not true. You always go l'chumra. It's just not true. Here the pshat is, we don't know if there's a heter or not. Okay, keep on reading, yeah. ... ad tidlak al kol panim. Okay, now you know what the word al kol panim is? It's like, I don't even know what it means. Whichever you do, like chadash. Al kol panim. It's gonna come, Pesach is gonna come, it's gonna be mutar. What are you gonna do about it? Okay, lashon kash. It's a little bit of a... Okay. Why? Maybe it has to do with time. I don't know. It's gonna come, it's gonna happen. Could be, could be. Maybe, because lafukei, that you have to do something to guarantee it. All right, maybe. Go ahead. עיין בהמשך שהכוונה... שיבוא. He said this. Yeah, this is, kavana. See later, the Shulchan Aruch, that he says clearly what it means. Okay, vadai yavo. עיין תוספות, גבי ביצה שנולדה ביום טוב שתהא ודאי מותרת. That's what I was saying. עיין תוספות, גבי ביצה שנולדה ביום טוב שתהא ודאי מותרת, and that is because of time. Time. Right? Continue. ובשולחן ערוך... which means what? Which means what? He could make sure that it happens. How could he make sure the heter happens? Neder. He made a neder. He can be matir the neder. He can be matir, and that's where, that's the Rama, סעיף ד'. Yeah? בלא הפרש, סעיף ג', דמשמע שהכוונה בלי הוצאת כלל. Why? No expenses? No expenses. Why? If I pay ten dollars, that means already it's not davar sheyesh lo matirin. But you wouldn't pay ten dollars for neder, not to be over neder. It has to be by itself, al kol panim. That's a really different part of the puzzle. I know, so I'm asking, what does it mean? What's wrong if that's what—I mean, that's what it means. What do you mean? He says in Shulchan Aruch, בלי הוצאת... What's the Shulchan Aruch? Read it. I'm not jumping. Read it. בלא הפסד. Oh, it's in the... No, no, it's in סעיף ג'. Let's not—let's ignore it. Should we ignore it because we just read it? That's a good idea. Let's ignore it because it's here. I'm showing you that the word hafsid doesn't mean hafsid like hafsid. You would say, It costs me too much money. Where does Rabbi see from? You tell me. קלישא נסרבליאס, ... ואינו ניכר כלל בלאטה ברורה, ואין דינו כדבר שיש לו מתירין, שצריך להוציא עליו הוצאות להגיל בכל כלי יוצא בזה. It says hafsid. Did you see the word hafsid or did you see the word hotza'ot? Right. Oh, it's only hotza'ot. I'm learning with you. It says hafsid, and here it says hotza'ot. It's the same halacha. Okay. Right.

Halfsit doesn't mean halfsit. It costs me a lot of money. It's a headache. I can't do it. Haitzais. Why? What has to be that it's by itself? I can't. Even if I pay to kasher it. And what am I paying, a dollar, two dollars? It's also a problem. I don't know, but what does it mean? It's a shvera sugya. Tzarichin lama. Lama? Why is it that way? If there's a sugya called davar sheyesh matirin lo batel, but if it costs me money to make it mutar, it's not davar sheyesh matirin. Why not? Maybe you say halfsit merubah. Who's going to pay that much money? Yeah, but it's not. I'm talking about any hefsed. Unless that's what it means. Hefsed merubah. I didn't find that in the poskim. Good question. No, it's good stuff. You're supposed to do this on your own. Yosef, no, no, not for you. This you don't agree with? You disagree with what I just said. That's my ridicule. You're no different than most others. Okay, go ahead. Loi halfsid, go ahead. ... V'nirah she'im lo kein, ein davar sheyesh lo matirin, v'habiur zeh mahu hadin, loi sibois l'hachmir. What's the ...? Yesh loi. Not that it's going to be a heter. It's not about a heter. It's about this type of an issur is an issur haniter, haba me'eilav, like. I know, but you're going to have to learn this. This is called understanding the halacha well. It's not the sevara, why do it. Remember the sevara, why do bittul if you can do b'heter? Yeah, so why do bittul if I can pay two dollars and it'll be fine? What's the answer? Because it's not so much about if it's do it b'heter. It's a type of an issur that it has a heter. Almost like the svara of the, you know, doimeh, right? The ran. So it has to be inherently a davar hamutar. It means the mutar has to come inherently by itself, without any outside help. And so what does רבי want to say with that? That's the pshat why hotza'os, right? That's why hotza'ah and all this, davar shelo ba min haTorah has to be, loi, that it bahet, not sheyehei mutar, that somehow do it baheter. It has to be A plus B equals C without U intervening, because it has to be such an issur that it will fall away. It's a davar hamutar. I can't say that sounds like simple pshat. No, I'm saying— No, that's better. That's what you're saying. No, now the Rebbe makes sense. That's right. Now that I explained to you, it's very simple. That's why. All right, so let him read it. Did you understand what I just said? Do the last one. Is there a different way of wording this in Hebrew? No, this is the right way. Learn to phraseiology—forgive me for my, what do you call, hoardiness. I'm a genius in this area. That's my genius. My expertise is the words, the phraseiology. Two words, a tosfos, the sugya. This is what it is. I don't have to sit there and give you a hundred mareh mekomos. Seriously, what I do is I give it to you, oh, this is what it is. Hotza'ah mu'ut means, why not? If it's a heter, batla bheter. I don't understand. Mi'matzi l'issur? It's not about being matir the issur. It's such an issur that it has a heter; it has to be a heter that comes by itself, without any intervention. Go ahead, read it again inside. ובשולחן ערוך, לפי כך בית יוסף שספק טריפה, ובשולחן ערוך, אי בידו לעשות, לכאורה. Chainu det, bloi hefsed, siv gimel means hetzaius, klal, right? V’tzarichi lamah. You know, I can understand by hefsed merubah, I understand that. If it cost me a lot of money, so it’s not called yeish lo heter. It’s too much to expect and to say that it’s yeish lo heter. But if it’s a dollar store, why can’t I just give me matir and that’s all, I’m finished? Answer: it’s not about what could or couldn’t. It has to be inherently by itself without me intervening. Go ahead. V’habiur b’zeh mahu ha’din. It’s not a siba l’hachmir. It’s not the reason to be machmir because it’s anyway going to be mutar. Okay, continue. B’shulchan Aruch, l’fikach... Why is it a safek treifah? What’s the sevara? After it was matir, you could see in twelve months, so now it’s really a treifah, right? Right. Or like Rebbe said, I should takezia. Oi she’totzia, oid beitzim. U’v’zeh neida she’eina treifah. Ein shulchan Aruch siman zayin se’if yud ches. So this is all in the Tur, this is all clear, right? Aval machar she’eina matir vadai. Yeah. But since it’s not vadai...

Vadai, she'ulai loi techyeh, v'ulai loi teitzei beitzim. So even though we can wait and find the matir, but it's not vadai, right? We don't know if it's going to happen. So therefore, eina k'shava sheyesh lo matirin, vadai, right? That's the Shulchan Aruch, right? They say anything different? So far, good, right? Yeah. Okay. Ayin Beis, so this is the sugya. So we're going to start it today. We're going to open up the can of worms, as they say, today, and we're going to see where it leads us, because this is it. This is rough stuff coming, all right? So the best place to read it is from the Be'er Heitev. You have the Be'er Heitev; he brings from R' Moshe mi-Lavov, and everyone deals with this kasha. The Chak Yaakov and the Pri Chadash, they all deal with it. I think the Pri Megadim brings, they all deal with this question. Go ahead, yeah. Afilu bli ta'am d'hamatir, eino vadai, still, still, it should become mutar. Why? So read it inside. Yeah, I have it. Which one is it? I don't remember. He brings from R' Moshe mi-Lavov. You have it? It's hey. ... R' Moshe mi-Lavov, lama kasav ha-mechaber, lefi she'ein ha-matir bevadai. Ha-din zeh d'safek treifah lo shayich klal l'davar sheyesh lo matirin, shem d'gabei beitzah shenolda b'Yom Tov, shehaperishah she'echlo davar sheyesh lo matirin, davka shehu asur, u'macharato yehei mutar. Right, that could be a normal story of yesh lo matirin, but here, safek treifah is not. Ma she'ein ken b'beitzah safek treifah, af im haheter yavo b'yado, u'b'shiyavo, b'vadai, mikom makom... If it's treifah, so then it's mutar, right? It's treifah hi, v'ra'ui sheyitbatel. V'im teima, daneged k'sheirah, im kein lo neisar habeitzah me'olam, davar sheyesh lo matirin lo shayach. Both sides of the coin are mutar, so how could it be a safek? But what's your safek exactly? Why must I have ...? You hear it's only a question. I say, you waited 12 months, it was never a treifah, right? So whichever way you look at it, it's mutar. Ela mai, you can say it's a treifah, right? So treifah should be batel. Treifah's never come mutar, so what do you want? And what's the other side of the coin? Nothing. There is no two sides. There's no two sides. How's it yesh lo matirin? That's a dog in a bag. The tzad of yesh lo matirin was never asur. It's not that yesh lo matirin, and therefore... You don't have an issur to ever be mutar. It's not mutar. So he's asking why Shulchan Aruch is bringing this case to begin with. This whole talk has nothing to do with yesh lo matirin. What does it have to do with anything? This is not about an issur sheyesh lo matirin, because manavshach, either it's a chesaron yediah almost, like it's just a question. Either the pshat is it was treifah, or it's not treifah, right? If it's not treifah, right, then there was never an issur in the first place. And if it's not treifah, right—oh, I'm sorry—if it is treifah, there is an issur, it was no meheter. This is mamash a pele, a bomb kasha. So this is going to be the beginning of the sugya. Here we just opened up, we just—what do they call it sometimes when you bust something open? This is it. You busted the sugya open. What is the mechaber learning here? What is going on? How is this davar sheyesh lo matirin? So we're going to have to spend time on this. We'd have to spend time on this, but let's start. Let's start today and continue tomorrow. I don't understand, with the case of a safek treifah, right? Why can't we do a shechitah on it, check internally if it's fine, and that's hotzaah. That's hotzaah. You don't have to kill the chicken. You don't have to kill my chicken. I want to produce eggs. Why would I kill it? I want the money. It's a hefsed. We look at chickens. A chicken was a moneymaker. They made them into eggs. Go ahead, yeah. ... the mechaber ... b'beitzah shel safek treifah shenoldu b'Yom Tov gam kein. Oh, so it's both. It's Yom Tov, and that's why it's hefsed. It doesn't mean safek treifah. It means safek treifah and Yom Tov together. All right. So why does the Rebbe bring this? Why? Because that's the whole sugya. Look at the Mishbetzos Zahav, seif katan zayin. He gives a different teretz. He said, I don't understand, but right now there's a safek.

The back. You have it in the back and they have it on the side. Yeah, go ahead. He brings the kasha. Go ahead, and what does he say? He brings the Michas Yankiv or something. What does he bring? Um, boom, boom, boom, boom. Ein ta'am b'tzemach tzedek. Tzemach Tzedek, here we go. He brings for the Tzemach Tzedek. ... acharl b'safek issur Torah al yedei bitul, ... muteres b'biur, v'yafeh hekatav. ... Michas Yaakov ... Pikpek al zeh, v'ein yodea devarav berurim beta'aman. Ra'ayah me'isha shenidah shenadra. Od kasav sham d'beitzas safek treifah ovadai treifah b'Yom Tov ... v'davar sheyesh lo matirin ... v'chein niskasha ... Michas Yaakov. ... safek lav davka; hu hadin vadai knirah midvarav. V'chol sheken k'sheharviach me'issur Torah l'derabbanan ... This is what we wanted? Yes. So the bottom line is they're going to argue here if this is a story of davar sheyesh lo matirin, or this is a story of davar she'ein lo matirin. Is this or isn't it? So many say, but I don't see right now the safek in front of us, and you can't eat it because of that safek. So the safek is here, and the question is, is the safek a davar sheyesh lo matirin? So you're right, after the davar sheyesh lo matirin, reversely there was never an issur. Could be, but right now there's an issur to eat it b'safek, right? Yad Yehuda says, no, I don't know what you're talking about. Both sides of the safek here are mutar. He says both sides of the safek are mutar, right? So how could you have two sides of a safek mutar and call the issur davar sheyesh lo matirin? Huh? The Mishpatei says what he taught me. Yes, it is. Because right now this safek. Right now you have a safek. Could you eat it? Could you say that sfeik sfeika and it's mutar? No, you can't do that, right? So right now this is a safek issur treifa. So one is looking at what right now in front of us. One is looking at what? At the issur. Huh? Did you hear what I just said? One is looking at the treifa shebai. So the issur treifa is on both sides mutar. The other one's saying, yeah, but the piece of meat is not mutar. This chick, this egg isn't mutar. What do you want? At the end of the day, is it mutar or asur? Are we going on the chaticha or on the...? What right do you have to say it? And I said in se'if aleph, everybody says, Shulchan Aruch. You know what? This is Shulchan Aruch. This yeshiva Shulchan Aruch is right here. There's no other way to learn it. Nir'eh shetali b'taam hadin shedavar sheyesh lo matirin asur. So we started, and the rest of it we're going to continue here. You need to take all the ins of what I just said. Is davar sheyesh lo matirin on the issur? The issur both sides are mutar, so there's no sugya, right? Or are we going on the chaticha? This is not—wait, it's not mutar, this thing. So it could be the issur l'mafreya. You like it. You should, because if you continue with this, you're going to learn how to learn. That's how you're going to learn how to learn. And that's how I took every guy in your community and knows how to learn today, and I made him like this. This is how I made him. Sat there and I fought with him. Read what it says. Understand what it says. Bima'ayin, and stop hacking a child. There's nothing to do with anything. It's not a lomdish; it's not about lomdus. It's getting down to the bottom. It's brisk, getting down to the bottom, what it says. You'll learn Shulchan Aruch that way, you'll learn Chumash that way, you'll learn everything. Baruch Hashem l'olam, amen v'amen. I'll see you tomorrow, okay? Can we have another shiur? Can we finish the siman? I'll tell you the truth.