Nosen Taam Lifgam: The Meaning of Pegam, Basar Bechalav, and Inedible Issur

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Yeah. Kuf gimmel. Seif aleph. Noisein taam lifgam. Big sugya in the heart of ta'aroves. Noisen taam lifgam. So let's begin by reading. Sorry, go ahead. Kol davar sheta'amo pogem eno oser ta'arovto. You're gonna miss. You're starting already missing. Yeah. Kol davar sheta'amo pogem eno oser ta'arovto, va'afilu ein ta'amo pogem chamat atzmo, shelefnei atzmo hu b'ma'achal v'mashkeh, ela shepogem ta'arovto mutar. Mutar. Okay? So anything which is taam lifgamoi, it's mutar. So right away, what jumps out to this Lithuanian Jew who loves to read, the word koil. Koil davar. I don't know. So l'choira it just means kol, you hear? Anything. Koil davar. Kol. It's lashon. Right? Im ba'u l'rabos, so let's look at the sheet. V'mechaber kol. Ha'im ba'u l'rabos? Well, maybe that's just how the Mechaber says klalim. When you talk about klalim, kol, it's a klal, it's a rule. Rules, you start off a rule by anyone who. What would you say? How would you like to read? It's a free country. And that is, it's a rule, and that's rules. The rule, that's how you talk in a rule. Rules, yeah? Kol any... the rule is kol anything. Okay. Al hadaf b'shulchan aruch, which means in front of you on this page, I didn't find anyone that talked about the kol. But I've searched in the past, and I found something very unique. On the Tur, the Knesses HaGedolah in his Aris, he talks about the word kol. He wants to know, what does it mean, kol? So what does he say? Go ahead. Al hadaf b'shulchan aruch lo matzasi mi sheyedav yomar kol asui mai. But I in Knesses HaGedolah, hagahos haTur, l'rabos... What happens if the guy hates it to begin with? Ugh, horrible taste. Huh? Who's gonna eat that? It's, it's, it's... We'll talk about that later. We'll talk later. First let's start: what? We're talking about something which, I don't know, it's a snail. Who's gonna eat a... right? So adam katz bahem. Vehem mitzad atzmam nosnim taam lifgam. They themselves inherently are pagum. It's horrible, right? But yet, if you eat a snail, what's the halacha? You're chayav, right? Hava amina, says the Knesses HaGedolah, I had a hava amina, shema arav b'zeh lo yehei heter noslin lifgam. Maybe if I took a snail, which I ate, I'd be chayav, but still it's a pagum. But I don't know, if I ate that still, I'd be chayiv. And I put it in? Kamashmalan, yeah. No. V'haav mina, she'ma'arbeh zeh lo yeheteh noisen taam lifgam. Gee, anyway chayiv; kamashmalan it's a noisen taam lifgam. I know, I know. Okay, I understand when I said stale. It's a nice vort. You learned this? It's a nice ha'arah, beautiful. And he wants to say that's what the kol. Kol means across the board, even in such a case where the thing itself is pagum, a bug. I mean, you like eating bugs? You like? So don't eat this egg salad. I'm just—anyways, you hear? So the havamina was that since it's pagum, I'm chayiv, but maybe if I put it into something, I'll still be chayiv. What's the difference? Torah says I'm not allowed to eat this bug. Kamashmalan, there's a noisen taam lifgam. It can ruin it, and that's it. Bug in food ruins the food. Maybe it ruins it for me, but it doesn't ruin it for someone else. We'll talk about somebody else. First let's get to the fact. It's called ruining, and then the havamina is, you hear, that maybe you'll be chayiv anyway, because in itself I'm chayiv even though it's pagum. It's a very nice lomdus, you hear? Something which is pagum that you put into—

Something, and now it's not pagum anymore. Why? Because now I could eat it. It would become nice and taam l'gam. All right? Good? No good? Okay, sir, it's very simple. You ate a bug. Is it good? Would you enjoy this bug? Do you like to eat snails? Do you like to eat chaveiz bees? Do you enjoy that? Do you enjoy flies? Okay, you know what? If you do, I have in my room, seriously, under the thing, I'll bring it tomorrow. You'll eat it, and that's all. Have a nice day. The teretz is I'm chayav even though it's pagum, right? Right. Yes, if I fell into the food, right, maybe I should still be chayav, because if I eat it and it's pagum, I'm chayav. The Torah says I'm chayav, so who cares pagum? What's the difference if I put it in food? The answer is it could make nosein taam lifgam. Question is, and that's the koach. That's what he says. The question is why? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe not. It's a great question. Okay, continue. We think nosein taam lifgam is meat that fell into chaveiz honey, or treifa meat that fell— no, maybe bug also is the same sugya, nosein taam lifgam. Go ahead. I am placing. Siman pei-zayin, se'if katan tes-vav: shebaasar chanan, lo amrinan nosein taam lifgam bishum— it's not said by basar b'chalav. By basar b'chalav, we don't say nosein taam lifgam. Oh, nosein taam lifgam— yeah, I'm sorry, and we don't say— Bishari. Not kama veshari. Shebazman hazeh lo amrinan nosein taam lifgam veshari. You know how to read my paper, come on. Not kama and shari. Not the halacha, not shari. We don't say that's nosein taam lifgam veshari. We don't know yet. First let's hear what he says, that this siman is not about basar b'chalav. Notice it's not in basar b'chalav. Where is it? Taroves. Interesting, huh? Interesting? You like it? Okay. You knew about this placey? ... Now comes along the Kaf HaChaim. You like the Kaf HaChaim, right? Because you like the palm readers. You love the Kaf HaChaim. Read the— no, I'm talking about the Kaf HaChaim on the shelf. Kaf HaChaim, se'if katan gimel: 'V'nelah mimenu'— you have to ask ... you have to ask ... 'V'nelah mimenu,' haRambam, machlokes asuros, where the Rambam clearly says not that way. You know, it's a little bit of a problem. You know of this Rambam? You know of it? You want to read it inside, or you want to trust me, or you want the Kaf HaChaim inside? Which— how do you want to do this? Trust me. Huh? What's wrong if you read it? You don't want to read the Kaf HaChaim? It's a Rambam; you gotta read the sefarim. That's right. Not ... basar b'chalav. No, he says it in machlokes. No. 'Shekasav mefurash ... she'naflu, shepagmuhu.' Hakol mutar. If it's nosein taam lifgam, it's even by basar b'chalav. No, you don't want to see it inside? You don't want— no? No? Okay. Kasha. I have a very big problem with the Kaf HaChaim, and I know they're going to say that what? It's because I'm racist. So I'll tell you why I'm having a problem with the Kaf HaChaim, because the Shulchan Aruch himself says it. So I have who to back up, sparety power to back me up. Let's do the Mechaber in סעיף ז'. Let's do the Mechaber in סעיף ז'. What does the Mechaber in סעיף ז' say? Go ahead. So once— did I get it right? The word is what? Which word does it say there? Let's repeat it again. Whatever it is, it's basar bechalav, right? Okay, yeah. What's the whole sugya? Nice and tam lifgam. Okay. So we're talking about taam, and here we're talking about the actual taroves of basar bechalav. Do you think it's better because it's the actual thing? No, it's two different cases. Whatever it is, nice and tam lifgam is about the taroves of basar bechalav. Right now in סעיף ו' we're talking about something else that's being added into the mixture to make it lifgam. If I took basar bechalav, which is pagum, and I put it in, it's pagum. According to the place, we don't say—

I'm telling you, but the mechaber and the Rambam is not different. It's by bas bechol. Huh? It's not? Okay, let's hear. The fact that something that is overnight and turns into nosen taam l'gam is different than something that's actually being added to the mixture to make it pagum. Crazy is talking about something that's being added into the bas bechol, the mixture, to make it pagum. And the Rambam is saying that's mutar. The Meran here is talking about something that's left overnight and automatically turns into bas bechol. And the difference would be in why. Meaning, why would there be a difference? Meaning, if you say in a bas bechol, then you say it. Something that tastes, which is a day old, becomes nosen taam l'gam. Again, is the rule that the issur of bas bechol is not subject to nosen taam l'gam, so you believe that it's subject in a taam, in the bliah? So maybe, so you write a shiur, I don't know. You want to say shiurim, I'm not stopping you saying shiurim. Say, okay, say chiddushim. No, I'm saying Meran is saying against Rambam, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying it's with the Rambam. Oh, with the Rambam? I'm saying I don't know why the Kaf HaChaim—I'm not arguing. I'm saying the Kaf HaChaim brings the Rambam, but you could even prove it from the mechaber himself. Oh, what do you mean Kaf HaChaim is saying? I don't mean—this is theatrics. All I'm trying to bring you is, yeah, bas bechol is nosen taam l'gam, but we don't say nosen taam l'gam by bas bechol. You do. That's it. He asked me, nelam mimenu. That's the way he talks. The way the Kaf HaChaim used the language, nelam, he lost in a crazy place. Crazy place, he forgot a Rambam. That's his big story. That's bad. What do you mean? It's just not true, the whole thing. I crazy, you pasken shloi khalacha. It's not about you forgot a Rambam; it's you forgot the halacha. Imagine a guy says, imagine a guy says, You don't have to read Kriyas Shema. He forgot a mefurasha Rambam. It's the halacha, right? That's why I think we should see the information. Take out the Kaf HaChaim, and you'll see how the Kaf HaChaim says, Ne'elam mimenu haRambam. Ne'elam. Ne'elam mimenu haRambam. It's not ne'elam; the whole—it's not shitas haRambam he forgot. It's just not true, the whole thing. I mean, everybody knows, noisin taam lifgam is by basar b'chalav. No, yoshev, you don't know that? Noisin taam lifgam is by basar b'chalav. Okay, continue. Yeah, okay, so let's go, come. Oh, maybe that's why he says kol davar. Yeah, he's trying to say it's not different, everything. That's Rebbi's pshat. Kol davar. Even basar b'chalav. Yeah. Why didn't he write it in basar b'chalav? Good question. Go ahead, yeah. The doctor, you have to address, okay? Why is basar chalav different? Why would I think there's no nice and taam of dam? Because it's a chiddush. Maybe. Each one is mutar unto itself. Right, and I'm here to learn with you. As the siman continues, this stuff is going to get clear, all right? Maybe. Maybe. So right there. So far you said three chidushim. You ready to say shiur? Okay. Well... He said, V'haplesi shekasav... asur... Dacha d'Pleisi niskar... u'kasav, 'ishtami minei divrei Rambam.' Oh, here he did the cardinal sin. He's quoting the Chazon Ish. Okay, so whatever it is, I don't really care who said it. Okay. The point is, when you start saying, 'Woo, he forgot a mefurash Rambam'—the halacha is not that way. All right, move on. Next.

Now, v'yesh l'haiya makom. So that's the first question, all right? Why would basar b'chalav be different in issur and taam l'gam? You say it's not, but you see that some people hold that it is, and you have to discuss that. Now, I am Rambam, perek daled, halacha aleph. Yeah, go ahead. Irev, go ahead, Azaria. Yeah. That's what I want to say. Okay, go ahead, yeah. I am Rambam, perek daled, halacha aleph. Irev... What happens, he brings a case, and this is the Rambam that he's quoting, that if I took basar b'chalav and I put a bitter thing into it, and you eat it, you're chayav, right? I don't understand. So what happened to naisen taam l'gam? I said, if I went and I root an issur, a basar b'chalav, so what happened to naisen taam l'gam? You know. If I took a basar b'chalav and I mixed in something bitter, what's halachah l'maaseh? Can I eat it now? No, because it's basar b'chalav. Yeah, so why'd you say naisen taam l'gam? If it was in the beginning, before the mixture happened... It's a simple question. I don't understand. Once something has a shem basar b'chalav, you can uproot the shem? Basar b'chalav? I don't understand. First of all, what's the reason of naisen taam? You know what the reason is? Because it's not the Torah's issur. Okay, so you're gonna have to do me a big favor and read the Tosafos, it says not like... But the first Tosafos. But let's just continue with, what do we call that, the line of reasoning. It's drush in the Torah, that when something's rotten, it's rotten. You know what the funniest thing? Every guy's saying lamdas. It has nothing to do with lamdas. When something is ruined, it's ruined. It's not food. Okay, let's see it inside. V'kasher, lama lei amrinan noisein taam lifgam? Why don't we say noisein taam lifgam? U'be'emes, histamech a placei, and this is where the placei got his Rambam. This is where he gets it from, yeah? Lechalek, basar bechalav, vshar issurim, that we don't say. I mean, where did the placei get it from? Let's say the placei made it up, and the answer is he got it from this Rambam, that by basar bchalav we don't say noisein taam lifgam. That is that? That's the question. That's not the Rambam. Something's—we're missing some information here. On one hand, the Rambam himself says that the thing itself is not noisein taam lifgam. If I took Sefardic bach, and I added some Ashkenazi cholent, right? It's noisein taam lifgam, right? I want you to say his answer. Who came first? Iruv davar mar btoch habasar, right? Why can't we say that one of them was a mixture to begin with, and the other one was as the mixture? Say whatever you want, so write that. Write, vli nira lechalek. Write it. I don't know, is it true? You made it up. If you know what the reason for noisein taam lifgam, the whole thing don't make sense. Everything you're saying don't make sense. So once it says basar... you want to get up and say it as simple as you could: pagum is pagum and it's garbage. That's it. Have a nice day. It's finished. All right, we talked about this about pills, about... The pagum taste. Okay, so let's continue. So are you with me? Or are you busy with this computation? No, no, I get it, I get it. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Hakacha tzrichim lachzor. And the answer to all this topic is, you got to know why noysen taam lifgam. Otherwise, this is all out the window. You're talking questions and questions and questions. So let's see what the taam lifgam, what is it? And the answer is right away, see if cut and out of the Tos. So read me the Tos. Yeah. It says, Lo yochlu kol neveilah. Just not edible, right? Isn't that the story? Yeah. It's a simple—according to the Tos, it's not lifgam. It has nothing to do with mixtures. It's not food. Because Torah says it's not food. Torah says it's not food. They're learning from a pasuk, no? No, the Torah says it has to be food that's ra'ui lager, otherwise it's not edible. Yeah. One second, let me bring you the cholent. Would you eat this? It's noysen taam lifgam. The whole thing is noysen taam lifgam. Lager—I'm a ger in the Bucharian world, right? And you give me the borscht, right, and I'll eat it. I can't take it. I can't eat it, let's say, right? So lager shebisharecha has to be re'ui lager, otherwise it's not food.

That's it. It's a very simple... You know, the Taz makes this. Go ahead. U'lefi zeh... go ahead, Nu, have the... U'lefi zeh, have a din... It's the same thing as pas palter, achilas adam, no? It's a little strange, huh? You know what's funny? You guys claim you learned this. You didn't know that. I did know the Taz. What's the problem? No, I'm saying it's a simple thing. It's just nothing to do with that. It has to do with that it's just not edible. Right. So what's the... Okay. U'kashya, im kein... So then the whole sugya of ta'aroves doesn't make sense. What does that have to do with ta'aroves? Davar atzmi mutar, b'atzmo mitzad atzmo. Atzmo, atzmo, atzmo. The thing itself is not food, so have a nice day. That's it. You know what? Come, let's talk about ta'aroves. You ready? You see this? You made a ta'aroves of plastic. It's plastic. It's not food. That's it. Have a nice day. What are you talking about? What's the whole thing will make any sense? There's no siman. I don't... Ta'aroves in chalav is that thing of ta'am k'ikar meaning it's not food. I need to talk one word about it. I'm saying a very simple thing. Whenever you're nosein ta'am lifgam... What does that mean? If I put milk in meat, that happens, what you just said? No. Not because it ruins it, because you don't like the taste. People love that. People pay extra for that. Cheese together with burger, it's unbelievable. Milky cheese, what are you talking about? This is what is this ta'am lifgam meaning? It's rotten. But what happened, that it became rotten? Something was added? Open up the fridge, take out the milk that's there, and I'll show you what happened. Did the apple rot on its own, or did you inject something in it that rotted? Whatever it is, it's rotten. Nosein ta'am lifgam. Anything that's not edible, the Torah says it's not food. Food. Okay. And I took this and I put it into the ta'aroves. Oh, rotten ta'am lifgam. It's not a ta'aroves to begin with. It's not food. It's not food. Something's not adding up. You see what I do for you? It's called reading. It's called learning. All right, continue. Oh, that's the answer. When you eat, achshevei, of course, the Rosh. When I eat it, I don't have a nice in taam l'gam, because I'm eating it. Here it fell into the food. I didn't want it to fall into the food. It fell into the food. Question, what do I do now? So that's where taaroves and nosein taam lifgam, that's why it's a sugya. Again, what? The thing before. It's a simple svara. How did it become nosein taam lifgam? There's no sugya; it's garbage. And the answer is, yeah, but I ate it. So that wasn't garbage. But here it fell into taaroves, nosein taam lifgam is mutar. That's how we're starting the whole siman to begin with. That's why we have halachos of nosein taam lifgam. Exactly. Since I ate it, it wasn't taam lifgam. That's what it is. Correct. And over there it fell in, so we can nullify it. The she'eilah, we can nullify it. That's it. Now, v'chein yesh l'ayin. Now, yesh l'ayin — go ahead, Azari. Yesh l'ayin. No, mahu, you skipped. Mah ha'din b'davar pagum? Second line. Third line, third line. Yesh l'ayin. Oh, so the thing is a davar pagum. You said the word pagum, right? Nosein taam, the word taam, yeah. Shemashbiach ha'taaroves. It makes it better now. So the thing is pagum. So you add something to it. Then you take it and put it into something, and now it's good. It's better. For example, you need a little bit spoiled something in it. Like kalbana. Kalbana? I can imagine that there are things in the kitchen. It's called devil's dung. Devil's dung? The filters say devil's dung. Something, I don't know, where they put stuff in there. And it's so rancid that if you put it, it elevates the aroma very well. Whatever it is. The point is, the point is, it's pagum shemashbiach, mahu. Spice. It was done and you revived it. No, mashbiach means it makes the food better. Makes the food better. The thing itself, if you eat it, it's garbage, but once it adds— It's adding sugar or spices. Not sugar. No, sugar is not junk. Bitter spice. Chili. You take chili, and you can't eat chili by itself. Exactly. No, like they put leaves, you know those leaves? The leaves. That's what I was thinking. I was in the leaves. That's what I wanted. They put these baby leaves. Baby leaves. By itself you can't eat it. It's very bitter, but the food brings it. So it's pagum, yet when they announce mashbiach. Haloi hataroves hisbiach, aval hadavar atzmo mutbal sheyavo pagum. If I would eat this, it wouldn't be a problem. But if I put it in the food— You can't put it in the food l'chatchila.

Fell in. I'm falling off. To think itself on its own is pagum. Once I add something, it adds good flavor. Yeah, but if you're tasting the flavor inside this food— It's a simple topic. Something which is pagum is not food, yet when you put it in it's mashbiach, so maybe it's just... But that's the whole question. But you didn't do it on purpose; it fell in. People do things on purpose. So then that would be a good question: can you do lechatchila? Why would you be able to do lechatchila? Again, it's not food. You can't eat it. You can't eat, for instance, chili peppers. You can't eat chili. If you're able to taste the flavor inside the food— It's a simple topic. How's it pagum? I'm asking. In case I don't understand the shaila. Shaila is because mitzad atzmo it's pagum, so it's not food anymore, right? Right. Now that you put it in, it's mashbiach the food. Okay. So do we say nosein taam lifgam? No. But the problem is the thing is pagum, so why don't we say it's not food? That's the question. Is the idea now that it turned into food? Is that the story? Or you want to say that since it's pagum, it's always pagum. Okay, here's my example, and forgive me. You have mouse droppings. You hear? And it fell into the soup, and that flavored it. That's a great question. And you're gonna see this in Siman. Rats apparently used to give taste. Taste. That's exactly—we're gonna learn of this stuff. Rats in this one? It is, city rats. Yeah, that's the next one. House rats. No, city rats get, you know, that's presidential, presidential. No. They run for president in Iowa. Yeah, go ahead. No. Come on, let's go, let's go, no. ... Is there a difference between pagum and saruch? Something that rotted. Something that rotted. What happens with rotten? Huh? Rotten. Sounds like the same. Ma hu im eino pagum—what happens if you put it in and it's just not pogem the food? What do you mean? You should... A good example, Rabbi, yeast. Yeast is mold, and you put it in bread and... Okay, so good. So what's the question now? The bread isn't bread, it's... All I'm asking is, if it starts off as not food, and that's the pshat, this Taz, I have scenarios where what happens if it's nifgam and then it's mishabeach the thing? What happens if it's nisrach and it puts in, but it's not nosein taam lifgam? This is the taste. Nothing. Blend. Blend. It's the same case. It's not ... So what? So now, I'm asking. No taste. There's no taste. So therefore it's aser mutar. Mutar. Okay, you paskened. Very good. You don't taste it. Okay. But it's nisrach. Right, so you don't even need bitul. I don't know, so that's what your halacha is? That's what you're paskening? Take it out. It didn't give any taste. That's just a simple question. Are you allowed to take tarfus that doesn't add taste into your food? Put tarfus that doesn't add taste into your food? No. But that's not ... No, it's a simple question. Are you allowed to take tarfus, put it in, and it doesn't add? You don't taste it? No. The ... says it's not a problem. Rabbi, same case. This is a case of gelatin. The ... is because it helps you with the cooking. It helps you with the food. It adds no taste, and it helps you something. The gelatin helps something in the food. It keeps it together. So it's helping something. That's later on. Listen, you're gonna have to help me get through this because I'm getting nervous. It's very simple, okay? Gam is off. You put it in, it's mishabeach. Question number two: nisrach and adds no taste. So write that down. Li nireh.

It's not a problem, okay? You want both of them in the same case. According to... Not that simple. I can tell you, I asked many Acharonim argue on you. I'm saying misvara. So write it down. Misvara, nireh li that you don't have to read Pri Yishma, and that's my opinion, okay? So write it down. What do you want from my life? Can you explain where I'm wrong? As the siman continues, you see, that's what I do. What I do is I set you up so you can have a big fall. Humpty Dumpty had a big fall. See, I'm setting you up that you should learn the siman. I want to know when the word noisin tam lifgam is dafka pegam, or it's noisin tam lifgam? What about pogem shenasan tam? I'm trying to figure out. That's the formula: noisin tam lifgam. If there's no tam, it should be mutar. Okay, so write that down. V'li nireh... So write it. What do you want from me? I don't... What do you want from me? So write it. What do you want from me? Here, bring me the Kaf HaChaim. Bring me the Kaf HaChaim. We'll put it on the bottom over there. Put it on the bottom. Ois... There's no room. Okay, go ahead, next. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. ... Kol sheta'... ha, ha, ha, noisin tam... ha, ha, ha, tam... im dafka b'nifgam ta'amo, what happens if it's nifgam b'mahuso? ... Gain de'ein tam ra... That's what we just said. No, it's not the same thing. Before I was talking about nisrach. Yeah, it's spoiled and it had no taste. I don't need nisrach. What happens if it's not nisrach and it's not pogem and it doesn't have any taste, period. Nice ain't tam. What happens doesn't give any tam at all. So right there, right, I believe these are all not good shailas. How is this connected to...? I just asked you a simple question. If you have nosin tam, does it have to be tam? What happens if it's nosin no tam at all, period? That's already a different shaila, different... So write it. I don't... I'm just asking. Usually it's a heter mixed together. I give some flavor, taste, something. Something happens. I'm asking you a simple question. What's out there that has no flavor? Water. What's out there that has no flavor? This thing is rotten. Why? Because you can't taste it. If it has no taste, again, there's no taste. Okay, it's mutar. I feel like all of this theoretical stuff, unless you can give a practical example. Yeah, we could. I mean, are we gonna learn? We're gonna go with you through the thing, yeah. You can learn it both ways. If you want to say that since this thing is pagum or it's rotten— It's not rotten. Okay, next halacha. Do we go according to the gelatin, the beginning? That means it's nothing. That means even if it has taste, it's fine. Glycerin. Or you want to say this was— I don't know. Gelatin has no taste. Glycerin is something else. It's not gelatin. Gelatin has no taste. That's what R' Elyashiv says. It becomes rotten, like you go through all the chemicals and you can't even add it. It revives nothing, but it's delicious after they revive it. Gelatin? Oh, it's delicious. Do me a favor, do me a favor. Take to the store and ask them for gelatin-flavored donuts. I love the flavor of gelatin. You don't have it? Glycerin, glycerin is sweet. I said gelatin. You wanted an example. Next. Mahu. It smelled got bad, right. Noysein taam. Maybe taam v'loi reya. Okay, because you decide. Either the words aren't bad. Right, I agree. Okay, okay. Could be. Okay, go ahead, yeah. Ah, it smells bad, but it tastes better. What do you do with that? That's called a noysein taam. I know. You know why I'm asking all these questions? Because I want you to learn what is noysein taam lifgam. So I'm just trying to figure out the words. Continue. Mi machria? Who decides that? Huh? That was his question. One guy likes it with— I like it with taste. Who decides if it tastes bad? Al taam v'reiach. Obviously here not that way. Huh? Go ahead, yeah. What happens if the guy enjoys it? He loves it, love it. It's like the guy asked me this morning— some people— okay, I can't even repeat what the guy said to me this morning. I can't. Okay, yeah.

I can't. I just can't. I have to, I still have to. L'rov haveh pagum, yesh loi, v'ochloi loi neheneh. Rov, it's not called pagum, but some say it's pagum. And to the guy himself, you hear? He's like not enjoying it. Yeah, the next few days, we're gonna be busy with this. Go ahead, next. So let's get down to what we're gonna have to deal with. Im nifgam, paga ha'issur, oi paga ha'ochel. Is it that it's not issur anymore, or is it not food anymore? Yeah, that's right. That's used aside. I didn't see that so clearly. I'm trying to guess the answer. The way he's speaking, he's telling... That's right. Otherwise he's just saying it's not ra'ui l'achilas kelev. That's—he should just say that. Is it about the issur, or is it about the ochel? That's where the sugya lays. One more. Nevair hasugya, harbeh mehasugya teluyah bazeh. So we'll stop over here, and we shall continue learning the siman after knowing the groundwork. This is the groundwork, okay?