Pas Palter and Bishul Akum: Preferred Bread, Egg Glazes, and Ikar–Tafel

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All right, take it away. What does it say in Shulchan Aruch? Okay, so the first question is, why yesh mi she'omer? He holds it, he doesn't hold of it. You know, when you want to say that, you know, somebody says it, you know, it's usually trying to say it's not you, right? So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's a Bishlam if there's like a, you know, you want to be machmir. There's a klalim, there's a klalim. So I don't know what to do with it. I don't know. I need information. So that's what it is, but he holds it, obviously, right? Yeah, that's what we're going with? Okay. And it's taka true it's only the Rashba, it's only that's true? All right, so, okay, maybe. All right. Now what's the real story here? The real story is that it's Torah sheheish divrei haRashba neged the Yerushalmi. Ooh, maybe that's why it says yesh mi she'omer, huh? Why? Yeah, maybe he himself didn't want to write keneged the Yerushalmi. I don't know, I don't know, maybe. Okay, so that's the shaylah, I don't know. Whatever it is, my job is done. You know what? I'm like a sniper. You know what a sniper is? A sniper is, he takes a shot and he runs away. That's what I am, a sniper. I took a shot at you, yesh mi she'omer. No, no, but it's a shot. It's like a terrorist. You take a shot and you run. You know, I take a shot and I run. You want to be mefalpel, there's work to work on this. Yesh mi she'omer, it's an interesting lashon of the Mechaber. Okay. The Tur comes along and he says, the divrei haYerushalmi, the divrei haRashba is against the Yerushalmi. Why? Because what does the Yerushalmi say? So it's not true. So comes along the Beis Yosef, you hear, and he says, phew. Woo! He goes and he gives a blast against the Tur, huh? You saw that blast? What's the story? You're sleeping? You know what? I think every morning we should bring the Tehillas Yadayim by only next to your bed. Just bring next to the shiur room, next to your class. Okay, so what does he do? He gives a blast against the Tur, and he says, Chas v'shalom, the chashid, right? How can Yeruchoshen, the Rosh, but he didn't see the Yerushalmi? Chas v'shalom, what are you talking about? Okay, so what's l'maaseh? Ah, he wouldn't be choshesh b'ksheirim. Attacking the... shvilin d'rakia. He knows all the skies and the... he knows every chiddah. So how could you talk about him that way? Go ahead, yeah? He knows every Zohar. So how do you talk about him that way? Go ahead, yeah? So he says, it's shvilin d'rakia. He knows, he knows all the gematriyos and all the, right, and all the—what do you call that?—the sefiros. He knows all the sefiros. So how could you be choshesh? The Rashba answers that it has a status of as if he doesn't have... that's the story. The key—the key word, noichi yoser b'pas palter. Did you say palet? Yeah. You don't taste with your nose. Einov. Sometimes it's—einov looks good. So you saw, you saw my mareh mekomos. I attacked you on all these things. You saw, you saw. So anyways, it becomes kipas dechuka lei, okay? Now, what does that mean, kipas? I don't know. We need to discuss it. It's not pas dechuka lei. No, it becomes the same halachos. It becomes the same halachos. Maybe somehow it becomes almost like pas dechuka lei. Yeah, imagine you can't take it. Imagine when you want something and you can't have it, right? Your life is over. Some people say, I'd rather not live. I can't get the car I want, my life is over. Maybe that's what it means, huh? I can't get my bucharian bread in the morning, because I can't live like this, right? Maybe. Let's see. Ayin Rashba, Teres HaBayis... that what? Nu? Nu, so what's the teretz? Nu, mi she...

Same thing, okay, repeating over the same thing twice. Great. Okay, next. Come on. Okay, so let's now see how you pasken. You're convinced that you will pasken. Okay, yesterday you tried to show yourselves as the dayonim, the future dayonim of the community. So let's see what the future dayonim of the community. דאי בלשון שולחן ערוך, הרי זה כ... כ... כ... כ... כ... פסת חוק לו. So let's see what that means in halacha. Does it mean kepasta chukah lo lemaaseh, like we just said? Okay. Now we want to know in Shulchan Aruch we find a lot of language, and one is what? You just read it from the Rambam, from the Beis Yosef. Yeah, that's what I want. Okay, good. And the Shulchan Aruch says kepasta chukah lo. It's in Shulchan Aruch, my friend. Oh yes. Oh yes. Shulchan Aruch says that has a lashon kepasta chukah. I thought so. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe. Maybe I was busy in my Buchaim brand, I forgot, yeah? Yeah, so that's it. You're not the mar makom man. That's it. You're not the mar makom man. You lost your job. You're not the mar makom man. Okay, so let's read. Go ahead, Tomar, go ahead, take it away, yeah? Ma peirush? What is yofeh? Beautiful. I don't know. Okay. Also, what does the Shulchan Aruch say? Oh, it says it's not about yofeh, it's a certain type. So now we have nicer type. What else does it say in Shulchan Aruch? Daito... is that. I don't know. Why would it be more nochel? Easier. I don't know. Maybe it's easier to digest, huh? I like that, nochel. What does nochem mean? It's easier. It's easier on the taste buds, maybe. Maybe it's cheaper. Maybe. Maybe it's healthier. This is really what I want. I want you to—this is it. If you notice, I throw at you every word: Yaffe, noyer, arev... Nobody asked this? I don't know. What do you want from me? I'm sure the Acharonim talk about cheaper. That is the Acharonim, cheaper, not cheaper. I don't know. I don't know. Orev lo yoser. Mipnei chashivuto b'einav. What? I'm already laughing. You're making funny noises. Okay, go ahead, yeah. No, but you worry. I give you a shiur like this. Arev lo yoter. Arev—what does arev mean? Arvus, maybe arvus. Arvus. Okay, yeah. Daik belashon, yeah, haShulchan Aruch. B'eino. Subjective. Maybe. What about if everyone thinks he's nuts for liking this bread? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter? He likes. Maybe. You tell me. I don't know. I don't understand. I came here to learn. Rabbi, I have a question. Am I allowed to buy from the local bakery over here, even though I can get pas Yisroel from Bucharian bread from—what's the name of that store there on the corner there? King David. I can go to King David and get chalav Yisroel bread. It's a joke. Or I could go and what? Yeah. Or I could go and get what from the local over here? There's great stuff. It tastes better, it feels better, it's easier on my stomach, and I like it, and it looks better, and it's cheaper. And tell me, what's the answer? You don't know. You know why? Because it's, I don't know. It's a good question. Okay. Ayin hateiv bach. So this is really a clue, a clue. For those that have no clue, this is for them a clue. Ayin hateiv bach, yeah? Nu? Bach. מה שיש לך חדש, כי... No, the Bach says it becomes chayinefesh. So maybe it doesn't just mean, arev, that he has a tremendous yetzer hara for entremets. That's not what it means. What does it mean? Chayinefesh. Because he won't be able to eat it. It's gonna be... I'm not following. The Bach says the heter kipas tuchlo, because it becomes chayei nefesh. ... מה שאינו ערב לו. He can't. He's not gonna be able to eat it. So let's say it's just a question of, I'd rather have the entremets over the kakash from what's-his-name. Yeah? Rough, rough. There's a lot of attacking going on. A lot of attacking.

Did you hear what I want? I want you to learn this, and the oilam is not learning it, yeah? What do I want? I want to know if the pshat is very simple. The Entenmann's strudel tastes much better—not much better, but a little bit better—than the Riesen strudel. It does? You know for sure. You're an eid. Much better. So let's take something which is not much better. How about, what other Entenmann's cakes that are? The chocolate chip cookies. The chocolate chip cookies, all right? And the Jews make the softy cookies, kemach rokeach. It's the same thing, but they just change the labels in the store, right? Kemach rokeach, right? And it's also from this year. It was made from 1918, '19, whatever. It's not from World War II, right? So how much difference? That's right. So let's say it's not such a big difference, not such a big difference. Maybe there's no heter. This is not one of the mechaber, maybe. Chayei nefesh—he talks about chayei nefesh. Unless there's a yesod that if a guy is a taivan, he doesn't get his taivah, he hangs himself. I don't know. Okay, let's go weiter. Next. I don't know. I don't have a maskanah. You're the posek. I'm just a rav. In his bakdah, that's what the Bein Shai says. The fact that it was not even enough doesn't consider past the chukah. That's not enough, I'm talking about. No, there is a pasuk, but hypothetically it wouldn't be enough, so that's already good enough. That's a nice diyuk. I don't know. I didn't know that, but I hear. Okay, so it's very cheap, really. It's like a very almost enough. But let me ask you a simple question. You could go to A&P and buy this, right? Or you could— This one? No. What happened? It's here? No, I'm just trying to see where the... Oh, it's here. Okay, yeah, go ahead. So here's the question, okay? So, dai b'lashon Shulchan Aruch, daito, okay. D'chuka loi, loi, everything's loi, bach. Okay, ein lavush. Ma adin k'shapas palta... It's all that it looks nicer. It looks nicer. How about if the box is better? How about that? Maybe it comes with a ribbon, and it comes with a nice Christmas—what do they call that? Where does it say mar'eh? Does it say mar'eh? You sure, you sure, you sure? Yafeh mimenu. Yafeh mimenu. What else is yafeh? Areiv means tastes better. Yafeh means it looks nicer. Very simple. Says it clearly: yafeh, it's nicer. When they put it on, they make that white thing on top—what's that white, like the... you know, the sugar thing on... they know how to do it. They glaze, they glaze it better. It's a good hiddur. Okay, continue. Ma din? Yeah. Yeah, good, good. Poma, yeah, good. Okay, ma din, go ahead. Im hapalta yoser. Okay. V'ulai kol hashe'eilos tali b'chakirah, mah hachakirah? So let's talk—what's the omek of this thing? Let's hear. No? It's a cheftza versus gavra. So if you learn that has to do with, let's say, the cheftza, right, what's the heter to eat the pas akum? And let's say rov olam, rov olam, it's not areiv loi, yeah. So what is this? How did this pasakah become mutar? It becomes ... Even when there's no ... it does become mutar. There's such a thing, right? Even when it's tchukah loi. Meaning there's no ... Something different for. That's tchukah loi would be with a heter. So if it's with a heter, then it has to ... be tchukah loi. That's what I want. I want a taina that if you're working with the vart that it's taka aser, and it's a special heter of tchukah loi, right? So then it would have to be taka a serious heter. What's the heter? The box looks nicer. That's your heter? Why not? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. So how does it make sense if you learn the other way? The pshat's like this: once there's no issur, so then it's mutar, like everything. So the mechaber would be like the Rama, that it's mutar. Don't worry about it. Huh? Yeah, because it's not. What do you mean? It's not. I'm just saying, if you learn that the tchukah is a tchukah, a heter in the issur, so it would have to have some cheshbon of heter. But if the pshat is it's just not b'nimtza, it's not that with the heter of tchukah loi. It's just this is not b'nimtza. You like this. What you have is not b'nimtza. What you like, not b'nimtza, it's not available.

That's not tchukulai. If you learn with the chukulai, then it has to be tchukulai. I don't understand. If something in the chukulai means it's a heter, what's the heter based on what? Because I like what it looks like, that's a heter to you? It's not a good heter. It's not heter; I mean, I'm being modest. I'm a joke. But if the taich is, if it's b'nimtza, right? What's the lashon over there? Ein acher, there's no difference, and then it's not the—where you can get, meaning where you could get the same thing in pas Yisrael, they didn't matir the pas akum. It's not a heter in the issur. No, it's almost—that's when the chacham said the thing, that you should take pas Yisrael. Take pas Yisrael where this is not b'nimtza, where you can't find this, right? But if you could find it, don't take that. Exactly. But I can't find it. Whatever the cheshbon is, it's cheaper, it's this, it's that, or whatever. Who says the chacham said this is a case where I can take it? It's a silly—it's not a silly heter. Again, they came and they said—it's a silly reason to not make the gezeirah. Why is that a silly reason? Because the box is nice to you? Who cares about the box? I don't see it. The box is an exaggeration. But the point is, if—here, let me ask you a question. You know there's halachah you're supposed to buy from a Yid and not a goy. You know what the halachah is? If I get the same thing. What if the goy's thing is better? If there's any cheshbon that it's not the same thing, then it's mutar. That's right. Same thing here too. It's not that it's asur and we're being matir it with tchukulai, because who knows what's going to happen to me if we force you to eat bread you don't like. You don't have a chiyuv to buy pas Yisroel. That's what they said. Which means they only— Just because of the fact that it's different. What? Just because of the fact that it's different, not because it's a real svara, it's just because it's different. Yes, because the chachamim came and said that why should you buy pas Yisroel? Pas akum, you can get pas Yisroel. That's the— The issur is to buy it if you're able. V'ozel, why should you be davka go? You know what I would even say? If you want to know the reason, if it's all about chasnus, if it's all about chasnus, there's a cheshbon, I'm not doing it because of chasnus. I'm not learning with pas. I'm not telling you that. What I'm telling you is, it depends. All the Rishonim and Acharonim that are going to try to pick away at what's called pas, it's maybe telling you this. So I'm telling you, because then pas palter is not— be'etzem, it's in halacha it becomes kepas akum. It's not mamash kepas. The Bach is learning kepas akum, that it mamash becomes kepas akum. It has to be chayei nefesh, so there's no heterim. All he's saying is it has the same dinim of kepas akum. That's what it is. That's why it's kipas. That's why I wanted to know, what is the ki? Now you got it? It's a nice vort. No, you don't like it? You don't like it? It's the same din. If you like this vort better, you don't have to take the pas Yisroel, no problem. If it's not erev l'Yisroel, then you don't have to take the pas Yisroel. You can rely on your pshat, which is pas palter. You can stay with your pshat, which is pas akum. Because it's ... so what should I do? Instead of taking patches, bro. Instead of taking patches, bro. All right, next, next, next shiur. Let's go, next. Gemara Makos, amud bav. ... It's not so hard. Huh? Yeah, yeah, this is big stuff. This is... Oh, the Beitzim sugya. Oh, let's go, let's learn. No? You understand what I'm watching? Sorry, what came out of the... can we summarize the last shiur in regular halacha so I come out? Yeah, if you like entenmann's, enjoy it. I don't know. How do we get there? Maybe we could get that on a piskei... Yeah, sure, Piskei Iron, that's all I need, especially sending the link. Yeah. Read it on Shabbos, left and right. Wow. All right, let's go back. How can we summarize the chakirah in one line? It's very simple. If it's aser and there's a heter techukah, so there has to be a heter techukah. Meaning it has to be a real... It has to be something. I don't know, something that's not tasty. I don't understand, for a few pennies, I don't know, what are you talking about? Go get what's mutar. I don't understand. I agree with whatever you're saying, meaning that has to be... it cannot be that I would enjoy it a little less. Exactly. I don't know, yeah, what are you doing? But if the...

If the taich is, it's not that it's a heter in the issur. ... There wasn't said in such a case. It wasn't said. It was only said if you... It's only where—it's, no, it was where you're able to get the pas palter, but it's only if it's the same shavah b'shavah. It's כאילו, why should you go to the guy? Well, why would you be going to a guy if you go to a bakery? But it has to be the same thing, the same way by buying and selling, along the same lines of buying and selling. What was the lashon of the Rashba again? He said, ...? Kipas, kip, kip, kip, kip. Like. And the Bach taka goes far. He wants to say it's mamash, you can't expect eat a guy, it's like he's dying, I don't know, okay, what do you want? So halacha l'maaseh, what are we coming out? Like the first צד. I don't know, but if you're a chacham, you say it's mutar, and if you have a ... you say it's asur, I don't know. So they make these Stella D'oro cookies, which is pas akum, but then they made the Jewish version of it. That's not meant to copy the—it's meant to copy the Streimel. It's meant to copy the Streimel. No, but it's meant to be a streimel. They meant to say we can cookie streimel cookies. It's—chas v'shalom, we're not copying the stuff. It's not goyish. It's not. Okay, let's go by—if somebody does not like those Stella D'oro cookies, can you eat Stella D'oro? I enjoy Stella D'oro cookies. I always did, always will. Okay, let's go by—yeah, but I'm asking ... I want you to answer. Everything's mutar. There's no sugya by us. This whole, this whole, this is just shiur for you guys. Shach says clearly, kointer mechaber, everything's mutar. Yeah, kasher, teshuva, that... Okay, so I don't have to learn. I don't have to learn a few months of Shach. Mr. Bureh says Shabbos. All right. Let's go weiter. So all this Rebbe said on... You know they're changing the Jewish to stale adora, stale adoro. They make stella and they make stale, stale adora cookies. Okay, let's go weiter. Rebbe, so l'maaseh, where Rebbe came out the maskana here, it's only for Sephardi. For Sephardi guy, if it's... I don't know. Go talk to your gedolim in that. What do you want from my life? Ein Gemara avodah zarah. I don't know. I don't want to be involved in stuff. I don't have opinions about things. I learn. I don't know. I learn. That's it. Ein Gemara. Let's go. My job is to show you how to learn the Shulchan Aruch. This is how you learn it, every word. I took apart every word of the Shulchan Aruch. Shulchan Aruch was saying, was in a case where it was already bought, or even where... That's likach nikach. That's the Tuloshainis, the Shach and the Kuntres HaKesef. If you already bought it, according to one opinion, it's mutar. I'm saying this whole sugya if it's better or not. I mean, I have in front of me right now, I have even a Jewish... I have a Jewish... But once you bought it, there's really no sugya anymore. Once you bought it, everything's mutar. Everything's mutar. So if I didn't buy it, if I didn't buy it yet and it's in front of me and I like the goy, it's better. According to... Book, Chochmat Binyamin. I mean, I saw the English book. What he learns it is the Maharan is speaking about only after you bought it already. I don't know where he got his information from. Okay, guys, next. No, seriously, where's it come from? He has these quotes or something? Yeah, I'll bring it up. Okay, let's go weiter. So we have beitzim. Yeah, what's about beitzim? It's a machlokes. Yeah, l'inyan bishul akum. Beitzim tluyah, bar kapara, Shari, Rabbi Yochanan asar. So it's a whole question if there's bishul akum by beitzim. What's the nidon? Not that important. Let's go. Oh, you want to read? So do it quickly. I don't have time. I can't sit here and read this. Okay, next. Shulchan Aruch, yeah, kuf yud gimmel, se'if yud daled. Oh, by the way, okay, I'll tell you, I don't like the way it makes opposite. There's no way to fix it. Even I look in Hebrew books, most of them have... Your computer doesn't have that. Your computer makes two of these. Your computer doesn't do backwards. No, mine is also like this. No, but the other one I was typing had like this. You have to fix it. You have to figure it out. Okay, next. Ayin Shulchan Aruch, because this to me looks crazy. Ayin Shulchan Aruch. Looks like eyes. Yeah, it looks weird. Yeah. He says it's not. Okay. ... bishul akum, because the ... Okay. Rashi ...

Now, if you look at the Beragayli, he brings it for you. The Beragayli brings that Rashba. You see on the side of Shulchan Aruch, yeah? You have it? You have it, the Beragayli, you have it? No, right over here, next seif, seif vav. Ayin Rashba, nu. ... we're in vav, right? So we go after what? We go after the ikar, okay? So if the ikar is kemach, kemach. If the ikar is the pas, right, the pas akum, the fish, it all depends on what the ikar is. Okay, next. Ayin Shach. We'll soon see. Seif katan tez-vav, yeah. ... So that's the way he learns, right? Pashut like the Rashba, the whole business. Miu, ayin Rashba ... afilu l'saref, oi muvla b'kli. So wait a minute. Honestly, when something goes into a kli, it's definitely mevatel. So I don't understand. This is a big shaylah. It's a bomb. You know who asked this kasha? Me. It's a great question. I don't understand this. ... Ayin Chelkas Binyamin. Okay, now you happy? ... Halo eino ikar, v'lo pasuk taflin oser. Okay, good. So far so good, yeah? You with me? Are you with me? Right, very good, very good, yeah. So talk to me about meat and vegetables. So we know what the ikar and what the tafel is, because we don't eat the vegetables, period, right? So what happens? Ayin ... Shulchan Aruch. I always used to say the vegetables, they are just to decorate the plate, like flowers. Okay, yeah. I ain't... I just did in Shulchan Aruch, Kuf Yud-Gimmel, se'if gimmel. What does he say about that? So what's ikur and tafel over there? In the yerakos, in the yerakos, the meat's the ikur, and the yerakos is the... And what happens l'maaseh is they're bishul. It's bishul. Ay, it's only tafel, because the meat has what? The meat is not nechel chai. Ay, the yerakos, and the Torah says we go after ikur and tafel. Correct? Good? So far, so good? Okay. Makes sense. Now let's move on, yeah? New, next. I am mechaber, shebeitzim tuchim al panav is mutar, so the stuff on top, okay. What? The reason is because the lechem's ikur, and that's just there for—not ikur, okay. It's in the back of the Shulchan Aruch, no? Okay, so what would be the nafka mina? So what would be the nafka mina? A very nice nafka mina. If, let's say, it's there for more than chazuta, not there just to give a glaze, there to add flavor, it's there to add flavor, so then it would be aser. But if it's still the meat, how would eggs add flavor? Okay, let me tell you how Ashkenazim love egg challah. No, but that's mamash nilosh b'socho; that's for sure mutar. So I'm saying, so then we can start playing games with stuff on top. How much? Okay, we'll talk about how much. Thick amount. They want to make it, yeah. Yeah, of course. If it's a glaze, if it's a glaze, that's one thing, all right? Ma nafka mina l'daas hamechaber, nilush b'beitzim shemutar, l'veini fondant, if fondant she'asur? What's the difference? Why? If it's together, what does he say? Kemach ikar. Why don't we say here too? Why don't we say here too? I know that, that's the kasha. That is the kasha, right? So what's the answer to the kasha? There's two answers, no? One is? Ben. Ben, right? You can see it. Nilosh is not ben. This is ben, yeah. What's the other one? Davar chashuv. Which one is davar chashuv? Meat, ikar and tafel. One is ikar and tafel, yeah.

The pan is mutar. The pan is mutar? Yeah, that's what it says. What's the pan the case? The pan is aser. Yeah, what? Again, again, what? What? Panda shene'efa oy b'kochavim, afilu l'mi she'lo heter b'pas... Yeah, because it's b'ein. That's from... Bishul. That's what I'm saying, the bishul became aser. Question, but why don't we say keveitafel? I mean, everyone's—Rebbe's asking, once the oil's inside the dough, why that's not... No, even before then. Even before that. Because that's b'ein. That's one teretz, that's all I'm asking. Since the meat is b'ein, right? I saw somewhere they said, okay, so let's—if the meat's gone now, and the oil is absorbed inside, is that mutar? We're gonna talk about that. Two minutes, we'll talk about it in two minutes. Keep on going, keep on going. Now, what's the pshat in the Rama, v'yesh omrim? Oh, so here's the rule book. Take out the rule book, right? Klalim. So the Sefardim have a klal. How about the Ashkenazim Rama, you have also over there? What's v'yesh omrim? Okay. Also, what's the reason according to Rama? Shehein b'ein. B'ein. V'einam b'ta'am. Is that really what we learn? Is that what it says? Where did the Rama get this from? Shehein b'ein. No, but I thought you gave me two other reasons. Wasn't it two other reasons? Hazuta, and then keveitafel. The Rama made up his own stuff. Okay, so obviously nobody learned this. Obviously nobody learned this. Okay, you know what? Let's take two more minutes and, Tomer, explain to them the attack. I came from—I attack. I'm a sniper. I'm not interested in much. I'm interested in shooting and showing that you didn't learn what happened, okay? Okay, could you tell me again why egg on top of bread is not a problem, and egg in bread is also not a problem, and egg and bread with meat inside is a problem? That's what it says in the Mechaber, right? So how come when it's mixed up it's not a problem? Ika d'taf. Yeah, good, ika d'taf. Okay. How about— It's not just the ika d'taf over here. It's completely gone. There's no bein over here, but it's nilosh. It's completely gone. Batel. Well, Rebbe is going to say now if it's batel, then in the case of the empanada it's also batel. Right, so the answer is not bad. I got it, I got it. But what about the next case? What about the case with the egg on top? And the teretz is that's because of either—what?—two reasons: either chazuta or it's completely insignificant. Chazuta or it's like ika d'tafel, right? I think it's more than just ika d'tafel, because if we just label it ika d'tafel, then the empanada case should be mutar. But I'm not—you see, again, we have an interesting way of looking at things. L'maaseh, if I asked you why egg on top is mutar, give me what it says. It's nothing. It's basically—it's insubstantial. It's so thin, it's insubstantial. So the problem is that's not what it says in the Rosh, but that's a big problem. What does it say? The two reasons that are given is, A, ika d'tafel. And the other reason that's given is because it's only chazuta. So when the Rama argues and says, I disagree, so you have to disagree with the above reasons. That's the question. How did he—he came up, yesh sheheim be'en. No one ever said the word batel. Yeah, no one ever said egg on top of challah has to be batel. Not one person said it. What the Rama is doing is exactly what you're saying. He's taking this and making like a fanda, right? Ipanda, whatever. But that's not really the story. The story is chazuta and ikar tafel. It doesn't seem like the Rama is going—it's all chazuta business. That's what I'm trying—something is missing here. Something in the Rama is missing. Rama seems to not care about chazuta, not chazuta. He talks about be'en and not be'en. He's ignoring one reason. He's ignoring that whole—and ikar tafel. He's ignoring all that. He's saying it should be no different than a fanda. What's the nafka mina lahalacha? It's a very simple nafka mina. If you learn chazuta, even if you have tons, if it's chazuta, it's mutar.

But if the taich is that it's not about chazuta, right? So when the Rama says b'ein, see, even a little bit, as long as you can tell that it's there, it can't become batel, right? The nafka mina would be if I just put a little bit on the bread. What would the Rama hold? If he learns that it's not ikar, it's important, or if he learns that it's chazuta and then chazuta is not batel, so then anything is asur. Chazuta makes it mutar, right? Chazuta makes it mutar, and obviously the Rama is saying, I don't go with that. I couldn't care less. Why? Because whatever it is, it's b'ein. So let's say I taka made it for chazuta, but it's b'ein, what would be? I'm asking you, l'maaseh, if let's say according to the Rama I put very little and it's just there to make a glaze, it should look nice, what happens? It's b'ein. What is the Rama hold or what do we hold? It's b'ein. The Rama says it's asur. Show me where you look at it. Really? So you didn't do any of the mechomers, nothing. Of course they give a shiur. Avada, that's wrong. Okay, so first of all, who's reading me the Gra? You printed out the Gra for me? What does the Gra say? Yeah. Oh, Svara Rishona. Oh, the Rama. Oh, he woke up in chazuta. Okay, yeah. The Rama doesn't care for chazuta; he's not gores. When he says Svara Rishona, meaning there were two sevaros. The Mechaber and the Rama. So he's learning the Rama argues directly on that, right? That's what I did. I shot everyone in Lake. Every guy in Lake, I shot with this. Huh? You don't understand. I went over to every guy in my kehillah, and I showed him this gun. I said to him, Do you know it? Grah. I said, you see clearly that he's learning, that they're arguing Chazuta. They're arguing Chazuta. It is a game. Torah is a game. Pshashua. Davar HaMelech made Torah a game, you know that? Lo Toratcha sha'ashuai, az avadeti b'shashua. It's a toy. He played it. Toy. You guys have no idea what Lita was. This is Lita. Lita, they loved learning. You should see how they... It was their sichat chulin. It was joke, laughing, happy Torah. I'll show you a Rambam. I grew up seeing this. Something... you almost don't see it anymore. You almost don't see it anymore. Where do you see it? The older... Reb Shmuel was funny. Reb Shmuel was so funny. Reb Shmuel Birnbaum? It was a riot. Shmuel Birnbaum? Shmuel Birnbaum was a riot. Literally a riot. Reb Shmuel was the funniest person you ever met. Who, Reb Shmuel Birnbaum? As soon as we finish the maamar mekomos, I'm going to tell you stories. You're going to fall off your chair from Reb Shmuel Birnbaum. Go ahead, Nu. Abaye-Rava story. Abaye-Rava is a beautiful story. That's a serious story. Okay, let's finish. מאי דין הביצה נבלה ולא ניכר? Ah, im laRama, אין גרוסי קטן י״ג. What is the גרוסי on סימן קטן י״ג? שאם שמונהס בעין עליו, וגם לא נבלה מתחילתו היה... Oh, נבלה. So if it would be נבלה, it's mashma it'd be mutar. But wait a minute, why it could... no, chazus, what? If it's niv... what? I'm trying to figure out now that it's nivla, so now what? So now it becomes... But if you learn that it's, because it's not b'ein, you can't see it, you mean? That's the point. It's not b'ein, you can't see it, yeah? But if you learn that it's just there for chazuta, let's say it's chazuta and it's nivla, what happens? And it gives taste. So that's a problem. The whole machlokes in chazuta is only when it's on the surface. When it's inside, let's say some people like egg challah because... No, it's siktin. It was put there, and that's—what if you put there for one reason and grabbed it, sinked in? רבי, you know sometimes they make those breads that have two colors. Yeah, the butter challahs, no? It has two colors. Yeah. Okay, let's move on, let's move on. Ha'im amrinan bitul b'rov b'pas akum? Do we say bitul b'rov by pas akum? So the Shach says, of course he's saying. Why don't we say bitul b'rov? So let's say it's sinked in, right? Let's say it's... why don't we say bitul b'rov?

In which case? Oh yeah, when it's tach al panav and then it sinks inside. Rabbi wants to say that it should be batal b'rov. Correct? In the shach. Yeah. I'm gonna shoot you. You guys, truth, you guys have no idea. You don't know the sugya. That's the truth. I'm not holding in the sugya. You should be. Okay, let's move on, yeah? Mah din im kalef. What happens if their kalef habeitza, yeah? So what happens if for nidah, the wife is a nidah and she made challah together with egg on top? What happens? Okay. Mah din im kalef, im kalef habeitza she'al halechem. So his shailah is, is it a pas akum. Mah din im kalef, his wife makes bread, is it pas akum? Go ahead. Mah din? So if he's a Sefardi, he says his wife's a palter. And if it's... akum. Mah din im kalef... You have no idea how to... We've made a lot of wife-eating jokes today. I'm ready to convert. His wife's a palter. Mah din, yeah? Kalef, mah din im kalef habeitza she'al halechem. What happens if he, what? Okay, if he takes it off. So if the bread became aser, it would help you now to be kalef it? How would it help you? Could you get all of it? I don't know. Hayim yeish shiur? Yehei kama beitzim... All right, you'll look up the mareh mekomos, and we have to do this one more time. So Thursday we'll just, ten minutes, we'll just go over it one more time, okay? All right, next. Go, go, go, go. Okay, lama nilish b'beitzim mutar? Answer? No. So I do the work for you. No, no, no, I give you work. Aleph, ha'beitzim merubin bakemach v'ein nikarim. Ta'az, shach, good, like it, yeah, it's there. Now, how about the second reason I bring? I give you another interesting reason. Ikar tafel? It's the same reason? I don't know. Merubin v'einam nikarim. You know how I would say merubin v'einam nikarim? So it's cake with grada; cake has an ingredient. Tell me, when you—could you pass me some pepper? Where's the pepper? Oh, the bread has pepper in it. It's not pepper; it's bread that has pepper. It's not eggs; it's bread. Second pshat: ha'kemach ikar, ha'beitzim tafel. We go after the ikar, not the... Beraglayim. You look at the lashon of the Beraglayim. Now why do I send you to the Beraglayim? I really wish you'd look it up, because on the tach of the beitzim he says both leshonos. First he starts off by saying—ikar? No, he says kemach ikar and beitzim is tafel. And then he continues, and you don't have to be worried about the treifa eggs. Why? Because it's batel to the kemach. So I don't know. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look. You notice I wrote, I hate the Beraglayim. Okay, and I don't mean the Beraglayim that's in Starrett City. Now, ma nafka mina lahalacha in kol hata'amim, yeah? What's the reason? Yeah, what's the reason between all these things? Go ahead. Aleph, heicha sheha'beitzim lo merubim... Yeah, you can see it. What happens if you—sometimes in the middle you see it looks pretty hot. Yeah, you notice it's a nekudah, that doesn't... Maybe it's different. It's thicker. Could you tell them to water challah and egg challah? Yeah, I could. One is yellow. One is yellow. I like, how come nobody... how come not one cheating book? I asked. I went, I said, do me a favor. I sent a guy in my koll on a mission: find me in any cheating book that talks about this topic. What happens if it's noticeable, the egg? You know of any cheating book that talks about it? Huh? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe yeah. Maybe yeah. Maybe not. Yellow. Teicha shehakemach lo ha'ikar kegon... Oh, you know what? Matzah brei. First, I don't know how you spell. Is it matzah brei? E-I? Brei? That's what it is? E-I? Okay, let me fix that. I also have to fix ha'ikar. Go ahead. Heicha sheyesh harbeh beitzim ein hakemach ra'ui. According to the third reason, it has to be ra'ui. Maybe it's not. I don't know. It's a good question. So I want to hear how you pasken. Okay, I know I wrote the word chal, forgive me, but also vor. Okay, so what do you... It has beans, it has barley, and it has what? Meat, right? Now beans has pasak. No? Not beans, I'm sorry, barley. Yes. Huh? Barley is pasak. So what happens if a guy cooked the cholent? Let's talk. That's great. I thought it was a brilliant, brilliant...

Let's take the barley, right? It has the, what, the beans. I don't know, so let's—maybe it has a lot to do with the above. ikar tafel, mix, not mixed. How about when you can't tell the meat? You know, sometimes Ashkenazic cholent, what you need is a microscope and a magnifying glass to find the meat, to look for it. Well, I think I found it. No, that's not it. It's a bean. So the question is: nikar, not nikar, mixed in, not mixed in, echad—isn't that part of the sugya? The shemen, this fat, stands for itself, right? The eggs are mixed in, me'urav. Good question. Pachimu, you like it? Great question. So you have homework over Shavuos, or maybe Shavuos is only cheesecake and not meat and cholent. Plov with cheese. Plov with cheese. Okay, let's go weiter. Go ahead. How can you have the Shavuos without plov? Go ahead, yeah. How about according to the Mechaber, when it says ta'am k'ikar is mutar, what happens if they put it in there for taste? Maybe it's only ta'am for look. It's a good question. How do you learn the Mechaber? I don't know, it's a good question. I don't know, maybe it's only chazut, but if it's not chazut, I don't know, it's a good shaila. How do you learn the Mechaber? And in the Rama, we could ask the exact opposite. The exact opposite. But he still holds it's asur. Maybe he argues because he gives taste also. Can you peel it off? Ah, could you peel it? Peel it. Okay, let's see. L'choira talui. Okay, go ahead, read. This is my psak, my final verdict, okay? Oh, maybe pshat is it becomes asur because now it's called egg challah. Oh, maybe it's—what's the sugya? Is it the egg that's assering? Okay, and the story is, well, the whole bread now, or maybe just the amount of the egg that went into the bread. If I chop the bottom half off. It's good stuff. Psak halacha, you want to become dayanim. You know what kind of dayanim you become? Dayeinu, dayeinu. You don't want the people in your shul to say dayeinu, we had enough of you. You want to be dayanim, not dayeinus. Okay? Everyone have a wonderful, wonderful Shavuos. I want to—love you all, love you all. Let's learn, be happy.