Hilchos Pas Akum: The Gezeirah Against Non-Jewish Bread, Its Reasons, and Jewish Participation

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Okay, Azaryich, start with number one. Okay. Avodah Zarah, lamed hei amud beis. One of them, it says clearly is what? Chaser. There's other stuff there also; we'll get to it, but that's clear. So everyone knows the makor of the issur is Avodah Zarah, daf lamed hei amud beis. If you don't know that, you're in trouble. All right? So this is the makor. Remember, it's a Mishnah. The Gemara — who's reading that? Nisan, next one. The Gemara שם. And the Gemara goes back and forth. If it's because of chasus, so you see clearly what? That it's because of chasus. Explain me chasus. Talk to me. What is chasus? You might come to like the way he makes bread and marry his daughter. Marry his daughter. Guess so. The Gemara says, Shabbos, that might lead to avodah zarah. That's the Gemara's pshat. We're not holding there. One thing at a time. Slow down, slow down. But I don't know, but isn't that like an interesting thing? You might come to like his bread and marry his daughter. You get married to someone because you like the way he makes bread? Marry the man. Yeah, marry the bread. The way the man's heart is to his stomach. So you're gonna fall in love with your father-in-law, huh? Why? No, no, it's cute. It's an interesting... You know what I like? I like the truth. I like to learn real pshat. What is it? They want to have a social barrier. Social barrier. That's the way I learned it. I think the real pshat is social barrier. Just be away from... So you agreed to what Nisan said, and I didn't like what he said. No, I could see how that could happen. Yeah, that you like the guy's bread. It's not as common. You'll fall in love with the guy, with the father-in-law. If he's a foodie, yeah. Any guy who falls in love with the father-in-law. Major problems. If he's a foodie, you could fall in love. He's a foodie, so everybody's a foodie. You're a foodie, yeah, you'd fall in love with somebody because... No, I'm just saying. I'm not saying it was some people. It accentuates the horrible food, basically. Yeah. Very bad. Very bad. The what? The what? That's what I'm telling you. I think it's more this. I understand it more that social barrier, chamish b'tagoy. I don't sit with a goy at a table. Just so you don't stand the coffee house. Even if... Why don't they say that? What's chas? Yeah, because when you get close to somebody, you'll get married. Good. No, it's not so bad. But my buddy, I go out to hamburgers with the guy. What's so bad? I go to McDonald's. What's the other place? Kosher. Okay, so what do we have? Good, good. Yeah, see? Yeah. I'm not saying anything. I don't know. It's discussed, Shulchan Aruch. You have to have a hefsek. You have to have some kind of a barrier, so you put something there, and you have to put something. It's like... What's the difference? Gemara says. If it's treif, but if they're both kosher... Even though Shulchan Aruch... By what should we call it? By the halacha of eisav sona l'Yaakov. You have to see the same table. It's lechem מגול. It's brought down in the Acharonim. It's Shulchan Megul. Let's say, actually use the head table, not his table, maybe a restaurant. If the problem is in business, if it becomes so... you get kirvas hadaas if you want to invite for supper. Business is one thing. Stam to go out with a guy, what's the pshat? What if somebody, people ask now, they have family members that are going. They come for Yom Tov, they come for Shabbos. Somebody has, it's your table. His table. Okay, let's go weiter. Ready? Kitzur, ma'aroch chachamim, v'osim mishum chasah. So are we all on the same page? Now you're going to ask me, why do I care so much? Chasus, shmastus, pastus, right? And the answer is, later on you're going to thank me for asking me this question. So put a note, a little star, and say, later on, thank you for this point, okay? You have the star? Later on, okay? So it's a machlokes Nisan, who says that you're going to fall in love with the father-in-law, and me that I say it's a social, a social... what are you laughing? A social thing. Okay. Now go ahead, next Gemara. Gemara, zara lamed-vav amud beis, gazru al pitam mishum shemeinam, right? Mishmeinam, huh? And what's the thing? V'kulam mishum bnei seihen. It says clearly. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm getting. Kulam mishum bnei seihen. Yeah, I understand the word, but the question is how it works.

I mean, you see clearly that it's not because I'm gonna fall in love with his bread. I'm gonna fall in love with bread because of oil, and oil because of... You see that it's not the bread that I'm gonna fall in love with, because it's chain reaction to be close to. I don't know, but you're talking about a father-in-law. You're talking about a whole different story. It's not. Let's move on to... it's not what it says. To me, that makes sense. It's more that it's a social thing, because I start eating his oil and I start, then I come over to his household. Are you allowed oil today? That's because the bestin came was matir. That's a machlokes; we're gonna talk about that. It's a shaila in Gemara. The Gemara says, Hutru, lo hutru, Tosafos. We'll talk about it. Okay, we'll get to it soon. Al kol panim, what do we have? We have over here, pita mishum shemen. All right? So far, Mishnah: aser. L'maaseh, it's mashma that it's aser because of shemen, yeah? Good? All right, next one. Oh, so right away it became, from that group of stuff, Yud ches dvarim, that they were aser, that the Chacham aser. Now what is some of that? That's because of what, chasus? Not all of it's chasus. All the Yud ches dvarim is chasus? So let's do the next one. Go ahead. It says, Mishum davar acher, right? Avodah zarah. So you know already, I'm sure by now, that it's a shayla, it's mashma, is it because of chasus? Because of avodah zarah? Avodah zarah because of chasus? What's the answer? The answer is both. Okay, I'm not interested. Why, the whole problem marrying... You want, you have to be a chemish for them. I have to tell you that everybody's busy with this kashya. Everybody knows this kashya. Yeah, the answer is both. Okay, good. People have pages of literature about this. Okay, good. Good, next, yeah? You don't need me for that, right? That you can get from your cheating book. Good, next. Yeah? Yeah, good, good, good. Yeah, you with me? Okay, so so far we're all on the same page. So we have avodah zarah in the background, and chasnus, and avodah zarah, avodah zarah and chasnus, and chasnus and avodah zarah and chasnus. Oh, let's see if there's an afkamina l'maaseh. Okay, so what does it say? Iyun Tosafos. Right. Today they eat—what does Tosafos say over there? In Europe they used to eat it. That's the bottom, right? No problem. That's that Tosafos, right? Okay. Rambam, Machalos Asuros, perek zayin, halacha tes, yeah? No, it's still asur, avada. And what's the reason he gives? Chatnut. Does he mention anything about avodah zarah? No. No mention, no mention. Interesting, huh? So if you're in yeshiva and you're learning first seder this sugya, what would you do? You'd be busy with this Rambam. How do you learn this Gemara, the Gemara in Shabbos, and that? I'm not here to learn with you first seder, yeah? Okay. I'm here to pasken. The nafkamina is halacha: if it's chasnus, avodah zarah, or avodah zarah, chasnus, or chasnus, avodah zarah. Is it chasnus because of avodah zarah? Is it avodah zarah because of chasnus? Write that down. Say it again. Is it chasnus because of avodah zarah, or it's really more about avodah zarah, or it's really more about chasnus? One leads to the other, which is the start of it. That's really very important. Should we focus on the chasnus, or should we focus on the avodah zarah? Yes, nafkamina by fifty different things. That's the shaylah, okay? You got it? You wrote this down? Is it chasnus? ... Maybe, maybe. I'm saying, but the first thing you have to identify: what is the boogeyman in the room, so to speak? Is it the chasnus, or is it the avodah zarah? Okay? How can we say it's one or the other? You could, if you'd like. It's a free country. Say whatever you want. No, I'm saying I'm not here to tell you what to think, what to say. I'm just telling you that's the shaylah. You know, I'm sure every sefer is going to come out and say he thinks that it's more about the chasnus, he thinks it's more about the avodah zarah. Okay, good. I wish you all should write beautiful sefarim, and everyone should write what he wants, okay? Next, Shulchan Aruch, yeah? One day you'll look back, you'll understand what I'm doing. I'm trying to tell you, you've got to get a feel for the halacha and pasken. I'm not here to tell you think this way or think that way. I don't think whatever you want. Okay, let's go vayter. Shulchan Aruch סעיף כ״ד says, אסרו. What did they aser?

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You call the Jew a goy, would he get insulted? Ooh, chas v'shalom. Why, it's a tremendous title, goy echad ba'aretz. Tell me, who is a real goy? Me. I'm a real goy. Yeah, sure. Goy echad ba'aretz, understand? Tiferes Gedulah. Tiferes is a tremendous thing. There's a pshat, I don't remember either in Brisker... somebody said it. Goy is echad is palush. Goyim is goyim. Why? Because they don't come together on anything, you know what I mean? Two goyim living on the same block, none dod each other. So each is a goyim to the other one. But us, we are goy. We're not goyim to each other. That's right. I know some Jews that are. Chas v'shalom, chas v'shalom. I never heard that. Okay, the point being, the point being that Nachri, am, akum, blah blah blah, shemeh, you know this, okay? What's nafka mina? Nafka mina is tremendous. It could be a goy, a mumar, I don't know, it's a nafka mina. That's what it is. Let's say a goy, he's an oveid kochavim, he's an akum, he's oveid avodah zarah. We're afraid about avodah zarah, there are. If you're afraid about chasnus, then it's not a problem, right? That's the sugya. If you're worried about chasnus, no problem. If you're worried about akum, then it's a problem. Mamash. If you're worried about akum, you might have a problem. But if you're worried about chasnus, might be a problem. That's simple. I'm learning with you simple, so far simple. You all good? Yes. Did you have, you wrote this down? Akum, yeah, two dinim. Okay. Next one, Shach, se'if katan beis. So what does the Shach in se'if katan beis say? Yeah, what does the Shach in kuf chav beis say? What is the kuf chav gimmel and kuf chav daled? Yeah, what does he say? What does he want? So the Pri Megadim, and sif sei daas, kuf yud beis seif beis, he's busy with the mumim. He's very busy, very busy, mumim, mumim, mumim. So read it, yeah? Yeah. Even a kuti, does he learn? He learns in the Shach. He's busy with the Shach. Yeah, period. That's what he wants. He's trying to say that's what the Shach — ayin Shach, yeah, kuti. Now he's trying, he's doing something in the Shach. You see, the Shach is sending you there, but whatever, okay? Got it? So that's the Shach. The Shach is not a mareh makom sefer. We are very weak, so we have to have mareh mekomos. The Shach does not write mareh mekomos, so the sifsei...

That's the saying. That's what ... he's sending me for klugi, that's what he said, okay? Next, Mar mokom. Next. Ayin tez, kuf yud beis, seif katan aleph. So read me the Taz. Oh, what happens if the takanah doesn't apply? Law. The guy has no children. He never will have children. He doesn't have any daughters that you'll fall in love with through the bread, through the wonder bread. So what's the shaylah, huh? The pasuk means he has a lot of children. I'm talking about people really don't have children, right? Remember that joke you made about the Pope? What, that he's a transvestite? No. I didn't hear that one. Okay, but remember the other one with the kids under his robe? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There are hundreds of them. Now you're gonna ask me how you talk to the Pope. Gemara says, ... besides it's true. Besides, it's not a joke. Okay, it's not a joke. It's a serious, sad thing. Anyways, but he knows how to dance the good chassidisher niggun, that's all. That's the main thing, okay? He was dancing. He's the guy who was dancing. You forgot the picture of the Pope dancing? You never saw the Pope dancing to ...? You never saw the Pope dancing to ...? I saw it, but they told us not to look at his face, so I didn't watch it. His face, not much to look there. He looks like a cabbage. What happened? What did he do? They went with the guitar to play music, and he's dancing ... Oh, ... you look after the show. Okay, here, the kids, here. Next, next, next, next. Ayin tez, kuf yud beis, seif katan aleph, lo plug. So write down, lo plug, lo plug, lo plug. Now let's look at the Shach and see, right? So then we can start saying, lo plug. You don't need the reason. So the Chacham assered what? They assered goy; they didn't asser Jew. I, the reasons apply, so the lo plug works the other way too. That's what Rabbi Wolkin wants. Rabbi Wolkin wants it to be glatt. That is, the same way the lo plug works on a goy where it's not negea the taam, so it should not work by eid even if it's negea the taam. Just like by a goy that the taam doesn't apply, it doesn't—it's a problem, lo plug. So the reverse is also true. Even though in a case certain, even the taam is there, he's an apikores or mamzer, who cares? So it's not good because I said it? No. My goodness. My goodness, masechas Hashem. The ... quoted, I wrote down, seemingly doesn't like that. Read it, yeah. It says, u'pas kiroyim asur, d'mechallin Shabbosu, gilui ervah kechol. That's something because they have a din of kechol. A karet, that's a riot to me. They have a din of kechol. They gave the din, so it's not pas Yisrael anymore; it's pas akum then. In din, for karet, that's one of my rayas. So who is the Jew that Rebbe's talking about, that even though the taam applies, he wouldn't apply the gezeirah? Who's that Jew? Chal Shabbos. Why? The din is going to apply according to that. No, I'm telling you a different thing. What I'm doing is not avodah zarah. So he says that it'd still apply, right? I'm telling you because they gave it a din. So who's the Jew Rebbe's going to say it's not going to apply about? On tinok shenishba, where he's doing avodah zarah. Mamzer's also good. Mamzer's easier case. Where he's mamish doing avodah zarah? Oh, you're saying a mamzer. Yeah, mamzer. He's not avodah zarah, but you can never marry his daughter or his son, for that matter. He doesn't have a din. So like you were saying, since there was never gezeirah on that. It's funny because he himself said it, but you said the same thing I'm saying. They weren't guys on a yud. Either svara applies, who cares? It's not about the svara, it's about the... And that's the light plug. I'm using the light plug in reverse. Yeah? One so hard, like you're staring at me like I'm saying—I'm not saying anything. Am I saying nothing? Huh? Yeah, we're good, we're good, we're good. It's good. It's all good. Okay, let's go. Next one, go ahead. Shach sif katan daled, go ahead. Yeah, ניסן, you wrote this down, that the light plug works the other way too. Okay, go ahead. Tell him, light plug in reverse. Write it down, because I have to write this down in my... The light plug in reverse. I write. The light plug בהפך. The light plug בהפך.

Write it down. Remind me to put in the ... Next. Next. What does the ... say? Okay. ... שאין להם בנים אסור. No. ... שאין להם בנים. So you see that they're ... children. ... שאין להם בנים. What? I know why I hate them so much. Can I tell you why I really hate them? They killed my family. That's really special. They killed my whole family. The Christian church killed my family. For years, the pogroms, the pogroms, the pogroms, the suffering that the Jews in Russia had for these Christian ... Go ahead. Next. Next. ... קוף י״ב, סעיף ... What does he say? Who? ... Also ... he says more. He says more. ... Oh, ... that's what I mean. The king's red. The king's red. You don't have a problem because no king is going to look at you, and that's all. You're not interested in him, and he's not interested in you. He says it over there too? No, he says ... it's awesome because, like, look. You see how he wanted it to be tactical, and it's not tactical enough ... Okay. Next. ... קוף י״ב, סעיף ... אפילו במקומים. D'leka mishum chasnus. So this is this. This is what it means, even where there's no chasnus. Okay. Iyun piskei teshuva. Next one. Nisan. Iyun piskei teshuva, se'if katan aleph, b'shem... It's first the Moshe. Oh, so what does it say over there? The what? Pashel mumar, sorry. Pashel mumar, sorry. What does the Piskei Teshuva say? You guys see what it says b'shem the Pri Megadim say? No, the two, the second one. סימן קי״ג. Bishul akum. Bishul akum is aser, because there's two dinim. One is tarfus, and the other one is kaslus. Moiridika. You didn't have this first l'maaseh? I did, I did. Good. You see that it's two dinim by mumar. First l'maaseh, by a pas akum says no problem. Hashein kein by bishul akum, yes problem, because there's two reasons, okay? Which will lead us to really say that today, that they put all types of ingredients anyway, should be aser anyway, because you never know. FDA is not going to tell you they can't put treif oil. How does it stop? How does it stop? Okay. Kitzur, עיין רמ״א, חולין דף... basically you stop... Why do we pass by... ? No? עיין רמ״א, right? What does the Ran say? Go ahead, Michael. Yeah, you with me with the Ran. What does the Ran say? עיין רמ״א, דף... He says this vort, that it's only by a watch you call it. He says it's by akum, and since he has the din of an akum, ממילא. Halacha replies also by the ... של מומר. Okay, now Pri Megadim, seif katan kuf yud beis, sif katan beis, linyan mumar, what does he pasken? Read the mumar just for clarity. Mumar, we're speaking about here is not everybody that doesn't ... right? Yeah, yeah, we're not talking ... One second, this piskei ... gimel, gimel. What's he saying over there? Bishul mumar is asur. I'm not sure I see that. First ... Yeah, but that's what it is. That's the same ... Inside, if you open up ... it's in the ... That's the tzarichiyin. He doesn't want to be matir by ... Take the ... he says it, right? In this thing I saw, I looked at Rabbi ... he's talking about returning. If a Jew took partial in the cooking and a goy took partial.

Yeah, but the problem with the Jew is not a problem, because there's no bishul akum. It's talking about a stam yad. It's not ... He calls aleph. According to this tzad, so the Teres L'maisha — the ... Teres L'maisha — according to this tzad in the Teres L'maisha, meaning, he says according to the man d'amar who learns משום חתנות, then everything is kosher. But according, like Rashi, who learns that... So I'm saying, what this applies to the pas also. I'm saying now that the Teres L'maisha... Exactly what I just said. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Today applies to pas, because it's shayach they're going to mix in, so I have to be choshesh to the Rashi. Exactly what I'm telling you. Unless he can't say it — it's a takanah. Stam chashash; it's not a takanah. You understand? It doesn't have the chomer of the takanah. Stam chashash, okay, no need. Okay. I pri megadim, seif se'if katan beis, what does he say linyan yayin? What does he say that — what? He says yayin. It talks about karayim. Right, okay, good. Good. So what does he say about karayim? What does he say? Perfect. It's assur, because they have a din of a goy. They have a din of a goy. Okay, now let's do the next page. The Shulchan Aruch — oh no, so I want to tell you lambdas. You ready? Bayayin nesach, what's the halacha by yayin nesach? Goy makes yayin; mumar Yisrael makes yayin nesach. Pas, maybe not. Why? What's the difference? What did we say in the name of the Ran by stam yeinam? The Ran says by stam yeinam, he says, you see that just like a goy, he can make stam yeinam, but it doesn't make pas akum. I think he even asks for a kasha. It's one of the kashas the Ran has. Maybe you don't have to have his wine as much as you have to have bread. Yeah, but now— So you're saying it's a technical thing? Bread you need; it's part of beis yehudi, so it's so important. Maybe that's why it's hutar, you mean. It's part of that. I would say it's a little different. One is a din on the gavra. The other is a din on the cheftza. Pas akum, they asser the pas. The mumar, he has a din of an oveid kochavim, but what he bakes doesn't become pas akum. The issur of pas akum is the pas. This is not for the akum to bake it. It's a different issur. By pas akum, the pshat is that the pas becomes aser. The ku was it was baked by an akum. It can't be by a person with a din akum. Huh? It can't be made. So therefore, why would you come and say that if a person, his din to be an akum asers the pas? You can't say that. You hear where you don't have to see? You can't say that. But by wine, it's maga to din in the gavra. Because it's the gavra is not allowed to touch this. Wine is the pas palter, and the wine with the pas palter. Certain places. Why do they allow pas palter? Whatever it is, but it could be. Yeah, I understand, I understand. But you know what? Let's just throw it out there and work on it, because the truth is I have many raayos, and as we learn, we'll see. All right, so let's write this down. Is pas, okay, we have to write this down. Is pas akum, huh? Is it a din in the gavra or a din in the cheftza? Let's just write that. We're going to work on it. We're talking. It's going to formulate a little more. Where is the din in the pas? But the akum, I don't know if his dinim of akum can make his pas become pas akum. Shaykhi by maga, it's—my pasher is saying it's a din in the gavra, not a din in the cheftza. No, no, for sure it's in the cheftza. My pas is a din in the cheftza, right? And yayin is a din in the gavra, right? That's why there's no plug. If you're not religious, you touch it, you can't have it. You're done. You're finished. You like it? It's a nice word. No one ever said it, but this is—hefsek. When I see halacha right away, certain things pop out. This pops out in my head, and I have a shtikel raya. Okay? You like it? Why are you tired a little bit?

There's very few people were there together. You're cheating books, nobody, right? Not one person, gavra chevta, right? Okay. Shulchan Aruch, v'lo asru, yeah, v'lo asru ela pat shel chamishes minim, five grains. Five grains. Is corn one of them? Is rice one of them? So rice cakes, good to go, huh? Good to go. Good to go. Rice cakes, huh? So let's see. Now, ayin taf-kuf beis, and he says two things: and therefore not chashuv, and therefore what? Mashma if you live in Mexico, it's problems, right? They eat corn bread. Because not chashuv, you don't invite your friends over. So write down and put this, because we're going to have to do this in the mareh mekomos. Shtei dinim. The taam doesn't apply, or this is not called pas. Shtei dinim. He didn't say the taam doesn't apply. No, he didn't say this is not chashuv. He's talking about bishul akum. He didn't say this is not called pas. That's what he's saying. It's not called pas. Or maybe because not pas, the taam won't apply because he won't get... Yeah, that's what he's saying. How do you know? Maybe same thing. It's not chashuv, and therefore it's not... Is it directly to the chashivus, or it's through the fact that it's not? What about being chashuv makes it pas? I understand. Pas is very chashuv. They didn't asser all bishuls. I mean, they asser bishul for whatever taam. You invite your friends for just bread. The what? You invite your friend just to eat bread? Bread itself is not chashuv. Bread is very chashuv. Why are you talking about that? Chashuv, I thought, is something worthy, so we invite your friend for. I don't know. Is that true? Is that true? I don't know. Ad yan adanisht, ad yan adanisht. Okay, whatever. I don't hear that. Okay, so write down. Did you write this down? Shtei dinim? Yeah. Where'd you write it? I don't see it. It's the next one. It's in between the two. Shtei dinim. Is it the pat, or is it the lack of taam, the lack of chashivus? Ayin Beis Yud, ayin Rama, d'eina asur im eina olah al shulchan melachim. So the Rama says, yeah, no, that if this orez is not oleh al shulchan melachim, you don't have problem pas akum bishul. Because if it's oleh al shulchan melachim, then you have to for different reasons, right? Next, Beis Yosef. Go ahead. Nu, nu, Michal, Beis Yosef, yeah. V'ayin Beis Yosef medaik b'lashon haRosh, shetzarich levarer im oleh al shulchan melachim. You gotta check. What do you mean, don't just say—what do they call that thing? What's the name of the Mexican thing that they have? Chipitos? What do they call those things? Tortillas. Tortillas, tortillas, or whatever it is. They have another thing, the corn, that thing, nu. Cornbread. Yeah, but they also have taco, taco, nu. Tortilla. So that's oleh al shulchan melachim? Are you kidding? I'm sure the Mexican president eats that for breakfast, lunch, and supper. Are you kidding? So maybe when you're in Mexico, okay, when you're in Mexico, does tortillas have a problem of oleh al shulchan melachim? And the answer says the Beit Yosef, שצריך לברר. That's what it means. You got to check. Before you take a bite into it, you got to check that. Go ahead, next one. מדאי לשם מטורש שחולק, דאינו צריך לברר, זה מן הסתם אינו... You don't have to bedavka. As long as... I don't have to check. סתם, it's eino... Okay. עיין פרי מגדים, משבצות זהב, next one. Oh, where this is what they all eat, like in Mexico, in Mexico, all they eat is, or in Bucharian land, all they eat is rice, right? So it's definitely what the pas of the staple, right? So then you would have the heterim, even if it's what, even if it's oleh al shulchan melachim, the heter. I have it, right? It's not the Pri Megadim? He brings the Pri Chadash. Oh, he brings from the Pri Chadash, okay. עיין ערוך השולחן. What does the Aruch HaShulchan say about this? Read me the Aruch HaShulchan.

Not so simple. Not so simple. Yes, you want to look up the Aruch HaShulchan? Why not? That's wrong. You have something against Ashkenazic poskim? They say he was a Chabad, you know, right? When you walk into Lubavitcher sefarim stores, I'll tell you that the Rav Kook, the Rebbe loved—he loved the Tzemach Tzedek. The Rebbe loved. It was his way of thinking. It was wild, and it was— And he claimed that he was a Lubavitcher. I never went to Lubavitch. Tell me because. Because. Yeah, they have some kind of because. He calmed the Rebbe. He was learning, and he was bigger than the Rebbe in learning. I don't know, some history that never happened. Okay, go ahead. Understand what? The what? The what? Lubavitch just claimed that Tzemach Tzedek was Lubavitch, and they claimed they come from Lubavitch roots. I want to tell you the Aruch HaShulchan was in a Lubavitch town. Aruch HaShulchan was rav in the vaad—he was rav in the vaad, and the vaad was Lubavitch. It was Lubavitcher town. Yeah, what's— How are you? Good, good, good, good. Okay, don't worry. One day they'll say I'm also Svardik. Okay, let's go back. Go ahead. You know what I am? I'm a simple muggle guy. To me, this is such a bunch of nonsense, like you never saw. The day you realize that is the day you're healthy. It's a bunch of nonsense. Okay, what does Aruch HaShulchan סימן ג' say? ויש לדיישב בזה, דהואיל כיון דבשם אוכלין הרבה, מזה בכל יום הוי כפת ממש. Since they eat it all the time, it becomes like bread to them. ... וכן לחם שעושין ... מותר. It's called kasha, kashavitz. Tarkashovitz, I think it is, tarkashov. And he also talks about shemen kanafilas, or pad shel grika shekorin blintzes, or kugelach, or retznikas. You're making me hungry, relax, take it easy. The bottom line is, what's the bottom line, Rabbi? ... Yeah, but that's what he said, because ... He said, I don't know, it's not so poshut. If I take a piece of chicken, if I take a piece of chicken, because of this reason, which means, I don't know, we would have come and said that because it's ... but l'maaseh, that's all finished. If a goy takes a piece of chicken and bakes it the same way he would make bread, we would say it's asur. So why is this? So seemingly the Chachamim only was gozer on challah; already has a different way of doing it. Anything that's not chamishas dagan, we consider bishul akum. That's one way to look at it. Why should we look at it the other way? Because they do. You see, my job is not to find out why they do. My job is to repeat. It's what it is. This is what it is, what they do. Some look at it that way, some don't. Like, exactly both sides of the coin. That's the two sides of the coin. Okay, let's go weiter. ... What about pas? That you don't have to have the ... l'shulchan lachem either, right? Asur mishum pas akum. Right? So if you have cheap bread that wouldn't be ... still have a problem, pas akum. Yes. Who says this? Aruch HaShulchan. Good stuff. You know, I think all my chiddushim I'll say it's the Aruch HaShulchan and he'll like it. You have no idea how I noticed this over the years. I could say a vort, yeah, and the guy's not interested. The minute I say it's the Beis Halevi... I'm saying over from the Beis Halevi. He woke up when he heard the word Beis Halevi. I see it all over the years. People are not intellectual robots. There's ingrained biases. You walk in ... she starts saying the word avodah, you said, they're gone. They're gone. It is what it is. It's just psychology. It is what it is. Okay, you can't. It's part of life. You're not going to change people's psyche. Go ahead. I know. And it's not even on purpose. It's not even mean. It's not because they hate or—it's nothing to do with hatred. When he's meikel, they're upset. When he's machmir, they're upset. That would be a ... I'm not even talking about that.

I'm too much just the word. All of a sudden it's not doing. Okay, it's ... It's psychological, and the guy's not even a bad guy. It has nothing to do with being a good. It has nothing to do with being a good. It has nothing to do with hatred or sin or the stomach thing. Psychologically, in a person's head, basically, oh yeah, I want to hear Beis Halevi. You could say it from a different acharon who's just as big as the Beis Halevi, but he's not Beis Halevi, because it's not printed. It's channel. It's so, it's so... All right, different time. Let's go. Next. Intellectually dishonest. ... Okay, next. V'Ayin Avnei Nezer. No, what does Avnei Nezer say? Cholek. He's cholek, and he seems to want to say that it has to be a lashon... You show the Avnei Nezer? Who quotes the Avnei Nezer? Blue book. Used to have the blue pill. Now they have the blue book. Okay, let's go by Ayin Gra. I know the blue book. Later, it's the next step. They're gonna print it in blue pills. You can just swallow it and you'll get it. Yeah, Ayin Gra. Yeah, Ayin Gra. Go ahead. Nu. Yeah, but he has a whole kuntres over there. Look at that. Go ahead. Ayin Gra, go ahead, nu. Ayin Gra, seif katan daled. Now I want you to read the Gra for me, if you don't mind. Read the Gra. Read it. This is in where? Seif katan daled. Yeah, here. Let's go, nu. Go ahead. The ... pas. Ein bo mishum bishul ... makom shehutar pas mutar legamrei, ela bichlal shlakos. Aval davar she'eino pas, yeshno bichlal shlakos. V'af al פי shehutar pas, lo hutar ela davar shehu pas. That's what I was saying. Okay. Meaning even if it's big, the Gra is saying it has a din of bishul. No, but it seems like it's even if it's ... lashon... The makom shetiru pas akum, hainu afilu oylah al shulchan melachim. Yeah, that makes sense. Two separate gezeiros. Once I take corn and I make it as a bread, as bishul. Show me, we look at a bishul; you have to start down and give it bishul. Oylah al shulchan melachim. But I want the opposite. I want from the goyin that once it's mutar, it's pas akum, we don't care that it's oylah al shulchan melachim. That means that we still call bread there. Why do we ever have such a case? Pas akum is asur, period. Oh, but what happens if it's not oylah al shulchan melachim? No, but this that we— no, I want the opposite. I want where with a matir, pas palter, even if it's oylah al shulchan melachim, it remains mutar. That's what I want. I want the opposite. I want where pas palter is mutar, but if it's oylah al shulchan melachim, it still remains mutar. Because it's still pas. Because it's still pas. Yeah. ... Give me the Pri Megadim. Which one? ... Mishbetzos Zahav. I think, I think— read it, read it, read it. ... V'havi yodea d'chamisha minim dagan v'shar minim yesh l'kol echad kula v'chumra. Ches mem daled? Yeah. What does that mean? Ches mem daled. Chamisha minim dagan, chumra afilu pas she'ein— ayin shin mem. Oh, that's what I want. Right over here, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, this is it. Oylah al shulchan melachim. That's it. Got it. I'm sorry, I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, oylah al shulchan melachim, yeah, no? They’re just beating around the bush. They’re all saying that if it’s once it’s pat, if it’s not, חמישי מדגן, you just have to treat it as a... Let’s say a pat which is oilah al shulchan melachim. What kind of pat? Pat. It has a dinei pat. Yeah, but if it’s oilah al shulchan melachim, what does that... We don’t even need to come onto oilah al shulchan melachim. Pat was already aser. They removed their whole gezeirah for pat. I’m telling you, but where you matir pat, משום חיי נפש. משום חיי נפש, if it’s oilah al shulchan melachim, it might be aser now. It takes on the bishlakos. I think so. That’s what I remember. I remember that there’s a פירוש...

So let's go, let's go, because I'm getting tired and I need your help. I need—I also getting tired, pissed. Come on, let's go, let's go. I don't think that's what he's saying. Oh, I'm sure that's what he's saying. Okay, that's it. You just got it. If you have a pat that becomes olah shulchan melachim, it becomes asur. He just said it. It's exactly what he just said. He just said that if a pat is עולה על שולחן מלכים, it becomes asur. He's saying—he's saying—ah, you're reading stuff that you want to read. You see, you hear. Don't beginning me, shminning me. You just read a pat that you put some spice into it, it made it chashuv, so it's עולה על שולחן מלכים, it becomes asur. Oh, you mean the guy says, Could you give me turmeric so it caused the bread has turmeric so the king wants to eat it now? What are you talking about? It's pat that now it's עולה על שולחן מלכים. It's fancy bread. Oh, he all of a sudden, he hears. He was beaten to the ground to a pulp. Now he hears. What are you talking about? It's refuach. That's what I'm talking about. It's a chumra. It's a big chumra. So what, you know what? Rip it out of the Shulchan Aruch. Say, פרי מגדים, you're a big chumra. What do you want from me? He says—he spells stuff with my letters. מעת הרצון החיים שלי. He says, I know he said it. Famous, a famous Pri Megadim. Okay, so we have here machlokes, so we're already in dreamland. Everybody's dreaming. Ready? We're good. So we have the guy—the guy—because that's what he says. And the Pri Megadim comes with a chiddush, that if it becomes a nice bread, it becomes Italian bread, Italian bread. Okay, next. Ayin tes zayin. Next. Ayin tes zayin. Below ma'amad Yisrael. Below ma'amad Yisrael, meaning if a Jew stands on top of it, there's no problem of pas akum. Pas akum has nothing to do with that. What's hashgacha she'eilah? What is it? Comes along the next page. Ayin ... Rambam. Chelek gimmel, siman shin ayin daled. Lav davka. Eh, ma'amid doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean. Ma'amid means that he's not there to help, to fix, to do something, to do something. Okay. Ayin peri chadash, yeah? סעיף קטן ד' בשם הרשבא, שפת המלך ... Okay, that's the Pri Megadim that we mentioned, right? So we did it before already. Okay, good. Ayin Shach, סעיף קטן א', שתלוי באפייה, ולא בהעריכה. You're saying there's no such Shach, right? There is. That's the Ran. It's the whole big Ran. The Ran doesn't pasken like that. He doesn't pasken like the Ran. Okay. ... The Shach. ... The Ran doesn't say that. Okay, I'm sorry. Sorry. I threw over Shach. Go ahead. Go ahead, yeah. שתלוי באפייה, ולא בהעריכה. Okay. ... The mareh b'zeh she'asa lefael pas akum. Funny idea. He's showing, right? Interesting Rambam, no? Yeah, but he makes it sound like because of this you show that there's a gezeirah, but you're undoing it. I don't know, it's interesting. Just say you didn't do it. Whatever, how he's learning it is, you just have to remind yourself. You have to remind yourself. It's an interesting Rambam, no? Your cheiny books talk about this Rambam? You need this. It's from the Rambam. They do talk about it, Baruch Hashem. Ayin Ran. Okay. Shafilu asa agoy rak aricha, aser. Yeah, shafilu asa agoy rak aricha, ayin beis Yosef. See? And even if he does the aricha, it's aser. V'ainoi b'beis Yosef, shemeda'ik b'haRan, d'im asa rakah, lo naaseh. If he makes the dough without the aricha, and then we bring from the Ran — gotta keep on reading — mutar l'Yisrael litein kimcha la'akum. I'm allowed to give my dough to the guy, my flour.

Okay. I in pri megadim, ... lechatchila, lechameitz isa ... shel akum. Yeast doesn't have to be pas Yisroel. Huh? Yeast doesn't have to be pas Yisroel. Yeast. Yeast doesn't have to be pas Yisroel. Now, what is this all about? Let's understand. What is it all about? So according to the Rama, you could come and say as long as the Jew has some hand in it, so you know that he's showing, he's reminding, or whatever it is. It could be it's a takanah to din in the pas. Kol zman it isn't pas akum, then it's not aser. So everything till the afiyah is not the pas akum. Only afiyah is pas akum. Yeah, it's a din in the cheftza. Not even the peulah, the cheftza of the afiyah, the baked object from a goy. Not a needed thing. Bishul could be in the ma'aseh. Pas akum is the result. Now it's a din on the cheftza, pas akum. And the Rama would say even before afiyah, anything would make it pas akum. And the shita that ases everything before will say, yeah, okay, whatever, yeah. It's in the ma'aseh also. Anything that you have in the ma'aseh becomes over. You like it? Write this down over here. Peulah, peulah. Issur pas akum is what is in the cheftza. Now, after everything's said and done, test. And the test is not a test-test, because it's a test of lomdus to see if you know the halacha. All right, everything we just said is going to lead you to she'eilos, pasakim, siman kuf yud beis. You can answer whatever you want, and then you can fail the test. I have no problem. You can do whatever you want. It's a free country. Mi nechshav mumar l'inyan pas akum? What's called a mumar for pas akum? So let's discuss that. If pshat is in the maaseh, he's a mumar, so maybe if a guy doesn't have a din mumar, no problem. But if it's about, is it leading to this chas v'shalom avodah zarah, then maybe you should have still a problem. You don't want to sit down with a guy and make bread with this guy, so maybe you shouldn't be having bread with this guy. Beautiful vort. How come no one's writing this down? Because they're not interested. So you know what, I'll say it better. The Beis Yosef's taina is that could be—okay, now write it down. Chacham Ovadia says, okay, that's everything I want to say. Chacham Ovadia says. It's like the brisker—I'm saying, with the beis halev, it's all good. Okay, next question. Le'oser pas mumar. Im ha'mumar afah ha'imum atzmo, asur lechem mipito. Oh. I mean, he doesn't care, but—because he has a problem of chasnus himself, I don't know why. But if it's a din, he's a mumar, yeah. Rav Moshe has a teshuva about this. Rav Moshe talks about one of the teshuvos. The mumar himself, is he asur? That's a meidikar. Yeah, Michoel, where are we going? Meidikar. It's meidik, no? There's not a person—could be it's תלוי in this shaila. Did you write that? U'lei tali. Each one you have to write, u'lei tali, u'lei tali. Gam ma she'eilos hapoiskim pas mumar mutar, haloi mimeila tzarich lihyos asur, sheharei lo ne'eman al hakashrus. It's not telling you anything, but you could come and say what we said before. But the takanah was a takanah. It's not a technical thing. It's not about being afraid or not being afraid. I don't know. The takanah wasn't that. It's not also—you're right, stam yayin. That's true, true. It's not pas akum. It's not pas akum. It's that. It's pas akum kosher, or suffix pas. You know what I would say? You know what? Write this down. Nafka mina, you hear? L'mi shekibel al atzmoi lo le'echol pas akum, yeah? Ha'im avar al nidroi? It's a kashrus shaila, okay? Very good kashrus shaila, okay? Ma adin b'pas shel Yishmaelim. If you want to go and you want to buy laffa bread, the streets of Geula, right? An Arab guy, you see, he made a jihadi bread, right? So you want to buy that bread. Is it mutar? Is it asur? And the answer is, maybe it doesn't have din avodah zarah. It's a big machlokes if Yishmaelim have din avodah zarah. I know they all say, Oh, Yishmaelim...

So Ran, Ran holds it is, what we spoke about. True. I don't know, I mean, avodah zarah, you still have the issur of chatnut. Right. ... marry a guy, right? Yeah, good. Yeah, avodah zarah. Yeah, right, you wrote this? No, you didn't write. Okay, next. Ma'adim b'pas mamzer. Okay, so we beat that to death already, right? Because if it's because you don't ... chatzer. Okay. I think there's an Aming Neizer, one, so an Aming Neizer says that even on a mumar, it's pasul d'takani. You know why? Because a mumar, the children are going to be like the mumar. ... No, no. ... bli yediah, im yesh lo yediah. Crazy placey. It's a crazy placey. You know, crazy placey. No? Crazy placey, because you don't have the taam of chasnus, because he has no ... Or maybe lo, l'maaseh it's asur. Cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, right? There's talui b'cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam, crazy placey, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam. You wrote that crazy placey? Yes, yes it is, yes it is. Did you write, yeah, cheftzar taam, cheftzar taam? Good. Rabosai, see you ... next. Okay. I did a good job.