Hilchos Vestos: Pregnancy, Nursing, Mesulekes Damim, and Returning to Earlier Vestos

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Im higi'a vesto, bimei iburah. If the veset came bimei iburah. When I read that Shulchan Aruch, I'll tell you what strikes me interesting. Why don't you just say, Im higi'a vesto, v'hi me'uberes. Higi'a vesto bimei iburah. You ask this question. It's an interesting one. Similar question. Why don't you just say it? The day the veset came, but she's pregnant, so there's nothing what to talk about. Bimei, bimei iburah. You want to tell—you hear the question? Higi'a vesto, v'hi me'uberes, so it's irrelevant. For some reason, it's yemei vesto to yemei iburah, days of her ibur. It doesn't have to do with her day; it has to do with the metzius, no? She's a me'uberes or she's not a me'uberes. I mean, it's a technical thing, right? Says the Shulchan Aruch, what's called bimei iburah? Mi shehukar ubra. When the ubar is hukar. Does he mean to say, mi shehukar ubra, so that's a proof that she's a me'uberes? Or maybe, since there's something called yemei iburah, so yemei iburah has to do with hukar ubra. You know, according to the Rambam, we learned this: there's yemei nida, yemei zava, and the yemei nida don't go into the yemei zava. Could a woman be a zavah in the yemei nida? Ilan, could a woman be a zavah in the yemei nida? For zava extending to yemei nida. Yeah. Right. What about, according to the Rambam, eleven, right? Right, seven, eleven, seven, eleven, seven. Could it be that she becomes a nida in the yemei zava? She becomes a nida. No. No, right? There's such a thing called yemei zava, yemei nida, and they don't mix. Is there such a thing called yemei leida, yemei iburah—I'm sorry, yemei iburah—and hukar ubra is when those yemei iburah start. Is it about the me'uberes, or is it the days? Is hukar ubra a proof, or is hukar ubra when the days begin? You know, there are ladies who say, you know, for the first forty days they don't feel pregnant. You know, they're not, right? Then afterwards they start feeling this, that, heavy, this. Then I'm pregnant. Those are my pregnancy, right? Is yemei iburah a time? Okay. Oy. Bimei menikta, in the time that she nurses. Now let me ask you a question. Bishlaiki talked about imei iburah. So then you say there's such a thing called tisha yaldei, tisha yarchei leida. Very important. Hello? Yeah. You know there's such a thing called tisha yarchei leida. You know, in echad mi yodea we say that, you know, we say, tisha, tisha yarchei leida. You see that it's a time, tisha yarchei leida. Is there such a thing called yemei menikta, the time? Or by menekes it's more the metzius — a woman is a menekes, she's not a menekes. What happens if a woman stops nursing? She's not nursing. Bimei menikta, shehei chov daled chadashim. Is that usual? Is that common? Teva — let's use the word teva. You know, the word teva plays a very big role in this sugya, right? You know that, right? You're reading the...

Oh, okay. You should read Davni Shaya. You know, the word teva plays a big, big role in this, right? Is it about teva, isha? Is it about gedarim in halacha? It's a very interesting sugya here. Okay, so what is it? It's chav daled chadashim mishenolad havlad, afilu meis havlad. Oh, even if the vlad dies, even if the vlad dies, wait a minute. That means you're not nursing. So if you're not nursing, usually it comes back, no? Doesn't the blood, I mean, doesn't the dam, maybe no, maybe it doesn't come, maybe the nishtanu haטבעים, I don't know. Or maybe it doesn't make a difference. Maybe it's chav daled chodesh, it's chav daled chodesh. Afilu meis havlad, ein tzarich lifrosh סמוך לווסת. V'afilu b'soch וסתה, muteres b'loi bedikah. So you don't have to be poresh סמוך לווסת, and even b'soch וסתה, it's muteres b'loi bedikah. So then why do you have to write about סמוך לווסת? Just write the last case is a much bigger chiddush, no? Gershon, just write the last case: muteres afilu b'shaas וסתה, finished. Why do you talk about the tzarich lifrosh סמוך לווסת and the muteres afilu b'loi bedikah b'soch הווסת? Does this kasha bother you? How can that bother you? You don't have to be zahir on תוספת שבת, and even on Shabbos. What are you talking about תוספת שבת? What are you talking about? What precludes some of the vest? It's not—if it's mutar, it's mutar. I have another question. I want to just, I'm asking a shaila. Is she mutar because she doesn't have a vest, or is she mutar even on the vest? You like the question? You don't understand the question? Let me hear. She doesn't have a vest. Chay. That's the word, mesulekes damim. Oh, really? Huh? You would say what? You would say the opposite. Let me tell you again. You know what I do? I know that you're learning it longer than I am today, meaning these halachos, you're working on it, I'm not working on it. I don't have time to work. What I'm doing is I'm teaching you how to learn to read what it says, learn to understand, try to see what we're talking. Ein tzarich lifrosh סמוך לווסתה. Afilu b'seich vesta, muteres b'lo bedikah. So you say because there is no veset, right? If there's no veset, what's—there's a chiddush, you don't have to be poresh סמוך לווסת? Just say there's no veset, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? You know, you don't have to worry about the car when you cross the street. So you look around and you go, yeah, but there's no street and there's no car. You see? Now you understand. So what are you talking about? Ein tzarich lifrosh סמוך לווסתה. You don't have a veset. Does a woman keep her vestes, the days, her dinim of days through the years, through the zmanim of muberes, or it becomes nolad void? That's the sugya. I just touched on the buttons of the whole sugya. Let's read the Taz. Meshehukar ubra. Ayin siman kuf pei tes, shiur hukar ubra, the shiur of hukar ubra. I have a question for you. Whatever hukar ubra is, it is, no? There's a shiur? I didn't know there was a shiur. Oh, you look pregnant. No, one second, let me take out my ruler, chasonish, measure it. How big? Why are you laughing? Maybe she got fat. What? He said a good vort. Maybe the pshat is till then, mechateis it's really called hukar ubra. Or maybe the pshat is, hukar ubra is a zman. It's a shiur to the...

It's not about knowing the metzius. Now, if you learn that a person could know that someone is pregnant, it makes no difference, as long as you didn't go through the chazakos and the zmanim. Maybe hu u'beres is zman. It doesn't have to be you, a personal huker. I have a better question. Could we come and say every woman's hukeres? You know what? A skinny, she's a size zero, okay? She has to wear clothes of a three-year-old. A three-year-old wears bigger clothes than her. And then all of a sudden you see that she's wearing a size eight, ten, whatever they wear today. You say, that's called hukeres? No, maybe that's not called hukeres. I have a better question. If there is a shiur of hukeres, why wouldn't it say in Shulchan Aruch? If you have asked me, me'uberes, meshuhkeres u'bra. You know what I would have said? As long as it's hukeres to her, yes. The bring down the Rashba says it's hukeres not in the size. It has to do with after that amount of time that passes, the blood starts taking away the mother, so mimeila the dam is nistalek. But why would you say bechlal? Yeah. Why would you say bechlal meshuhkeres u'bra? Tagid bimei hiburah that's it, or bimei minikta. Why would you say hukeres u'bra? I like it. That's what I'm trying to get at. What do you want with hukeres u'bra and this? I have a better question. You know, I'm going to ask you a different question. Let's say it's nigaleh l'mafreia that she was a muberes, but she didn't know about it b'shas ma'aseh, and she wasn't poresh סמוך לווסתה, so she has to bring a korban. Meaning, if she had, like, she like the פירוש ... whatever, the kaparah. Well, she needs a kaparah. You know, there's a whole halacha that a woman didn't know her husband was matir the neder, Hashem yislach לה, right? Why? Because she did it thinking that it was asur; she did it anyway. So maybe she'll have to bring v'Hashem yislach לה. What about a hilchos issur of prishah סמוך לווסת? How would you know that it's from that time? How could you know? Does a yoim veses תלוי in metzius? Does a yoim veses תלוי in yoim veses till yom hafkia? Our rav, I didn't understand, how can you make that the korban was on that day, on that time? Again, I'll ask you a simple thing. Let's say she didn't know she was pregnant. She didn't know from nothing. She didn't keep anything. She was. Does she have to go and say, I have to bring a kaparah for what I... So she's not tovah me'od. This they don't talk about. You have to be a lamdan to talk about these things. Do you know what I want? Am I boring you? No. No, but I mean to say, do you understand the tricks that I'm playing with here? It's not a trick. It's what I'm doing is I'm opening up the flower, you know, as a flower starts to open, petal by petal, till you get to the core. I think I have one more. When you know the halacha, all this gets answered. It has all תלוי in this shaylah. All תלוי in this shaylah. So let's see the pasuk inside. Mishahukar ubra, shir hukar ubra, right? וטעם, שאז אין דמים מצויין באישה. The taam is because it's not metzuyin. So, in lashon, misulekes. I would have liked him to say she'az ein damim, because it's misulekes damim, no? It's very, ein damim metzuyin. It's a very part of a lashon. It's not found. It's misulekes. It's not really misulekes. What did he say? It is misulekes, no? Like a ... You know what I'm talking about? I hold that misulekes damim is a way to be mafkia nest, because she can't have damim that breaks the yemei ha-nes. Maybe we can say a vort like this: the chiyuv to be poresh is only because dam could be matzui. So the moment that there's no sibah, so there's no mechayev. Misulekes damim is to be shover. You're doing that, put the problem, you're running away from the problem. Are you going to appreciate one day this year? One day, not two. But leshon metzuyin, it's like common, the word metzuyin. And I love the ... because if I didn't love, I'd be so angry at him.

Ein metzuyin means it's not found there. I would have wanted the lashon of the Tur. You know the lashon of the Tur? What's the lashon of the Beis Yosef for the Tur? The ... is done. Talk, talk, talk, talk l'maaseh. She doesn't. Tell me something. Do you have to be poresh from an ish shomach l'vestah? What's the answer? No, because ... How should it be, ein metzuyin? That's what you say. You know why there's no ... You know, maybe the wife should be poresh from the husband shomach l'vestah. Why? Because ... There it says, ein metzuyin, dumbs. What do you mean? There's no ... It's like a chair. What are you talking about? So I said here, ein metzuyin. That's what I asked. So I'm trying to tell you, it's very possible that the mechayev to be poresh is not here. What's the mechayev to be poresh? Since it's metzuyin, it can come, come any time. That's the inyan of vestos, that it's shechiach, it's common. But shechiach, it's different than you're saying, nimtza. Nimtza means matzui. But matzui, you want to say matzui is nimtza, nimtza or not nimtza, is there or not. No, I'm saying differently. Ein metzuyin, which means it's not found there. Not found means—it's not mesulekes damim means it's a positive chiyuv. It's a positive what? It's a chiyuv. It doesn't—it's not there. It's mesulekes, uprooted. But I can say that metzuyin means that it's like, כמו שאתה אומר, shechiach. Shechiach, what does that mean? It's either common or rare. Shechiach, what does that mean? That usually there is—who says that? Usually you see, but maybe there is. So it's different founded than shachiach, because you can say both things. You said shachiach. The chiluk is between metzuyin and ok. You said common. How many is shachiach? The chiluk is metzuyin or mesulak. That's what I want. Ein metzuyin is not the same thing as mesulak. It's not the same thing. Ein metzuyin is not the same thing. Mesulak is oiker. When someone says— That's right. That's exactly what I want. You know, I'll give you an example. Here, I'll give you an example. Let's say, nine months later, a year later, she had a baby, but she goes back to her old numbers. How do you know? How do you know? Where'd you learn this from? It's a big shaila l'psak. Decide that. It's a tremendous machlokes. Reb Elyashiv told me yes. Told me Reb Elyashiv wants to say. He says she goes back to her old vestes. He even told me about the pills. Let's say she takes pills to change the vestes. The minute she stops the pills, she goes back, because what is it? It's just bypass, but then you go back. According to Reb Elyashiv, according to many poskim, many, many poskim. But I even saw one. She's out of commission. Everybody relax. Take it easy. You want to look it up somewhere inside, you want someone to talk about it inside. About the pills? Wait, pills are different than... Mishaneh vesto bimei iburah, ein tzorech lachush ela lehaflogah achronah. Many people disagree with this. Rabbi Yashiv says not true. Go right back to your old numbers. Take out your old calendar, start. Go back to your old calendar. Is there a difference between pills and Lubavitch? Well, he said not. But he told me by both. Remember clearly, he explained to me how the pills work. I'll never forget. He was explaining to me how the pills work. I remember the exact words he used. Sazoi, he says the same thing like with the pills. What do you think, the pills change her? Not changing her. It's just bypassing. He obviously learns that when a person does something to change a vest, it doesn't mean it changes the vest. Is that her, that it's not going to change her physical... She becomes a man. I'll tell you the truth, this is why I'm talking. I think if you understood my introduction properly, it has a lot to do with this. And I don't want to go there yet. I don't want to go there yet because I still want to get more, you know, get your feet...

You look at the Minchas Yitzchak, okay? Chelek gimmel, siman pei. Chelek gimmel, siman pei. Mishanis vesta bimei iburah, ein tzarich lachosh, ela laflogah acheres. You know what they're arguing in? Ilan, you tell me, what are they arguing? If the taiches, if the pshat is that you're oiker, you're mesalek, you're oiker the vest; she didn't have a vest. She starts her count over. I don't care. What do you want, a vest? What do you want? But if the taiches, the vest is continued, but you don't have to be choshesh for those vestes because it's the same matzav. What do you be choshesh for? Something that's not there. It stopped. The clock stopped, but then it starts to tick again. What do you want? Or there's such a thing called an akirah. Select is done. It's an akirah. It's a stronger din. Okay. Now let's continue reading the Taz. Vataam sheaz — yes — vataam sheaz ein dam metzuyin bishechein, mimei menikta. Afilu me'es havlad, demitoch tzaar chevlei leidah, eivareha misparkin vedomeho mishtalkin. Now I want to discuss this with you. I want to discuss this. Does anybody know the science of why there's no nida during menikah? Does anybody know the science of it? So tell me, he made up his own thing over here? What happened though? This is his own? He decided? Dr. Taz decided that it's a different thing. I heard of Dr. Spock. I never heard of Dr. Taz. Daktor Spock. Besiyata... Dr. Spock was the doctor for labor, all the years. You know, books and books about labor. See, this is the chiluk between me — I never grew up on all these shtuyot. You're probably talking about Star Trek. How does everybody know? I was... I grew up in Queens. That much I know, that there was such a thing. Oh, he wasn't called doctor, right? He was called doctor on the... Somebody hak it. Dr. Spock was the famous doctor... I grew up in Queens. Dr. Spock was the famous... He had a whole shita about breastfeeding, and then it was his whole... He was from... I think he was a yid. My mom says he was a yid. But I heard later on that he himself didn't keep one thing that he said in his books. All the writers are like... Dr. Spock — you grew up on Dr. Spock before your time. All the kids, we grew up on Hilchos Dr. Spock. He was the shulchan aruch. The mothers used to walk around with, like, the baby pram on Pesach — Dr. Spock and the children. Do this, and he said do that. I looked at it, I mean, how are you — now you go in the store, Doctor Who? The spook, what are you talking about? Never heard of him. Torah is only Torah is... Everything else gets proven and disproven and disproven, and they disprove the disprove, and then they forget about you ten years after you're gone. All right? So my question to you is, isn't it to do with the dam turns to chalav, and we noticed if you nurse less, the tzius is you start to bleed a little more. The Taz decided something new. I mean, the... What? ... afilu meis havlad... vidam... mistalk... Ein chozrim ad chovdaled chodesh. Is that the reason? I thought the reason is something else. Because the organs are broken down. But that's not the reason that we know today. Igra d... Once answered an interesting thing. You know, today, today, the metzius changed a lot. Women nurse, there's blood and... So many people want to say that because of this, it's a sign of shinui hateva, teva changed. And maybe they have big discussions: should they permit birth control? Why? Because in the old times they used to not bleed. But now they didn't have children. So twenty, you get pregnant. Stop. You get pregnant. No need this.

In nursing, in the old days, the nurse, the mesulekes damim, and they didn't get pregnant. No pregnancy, chavdaled. That's the sugya of shalosh nashim meshamshos b'moch, and the first one is a yoledes. What are you sorry about? But this is—if she doesn't, not necessarily she has to have blood, she could get pregnant without blood. Sir, if she's a mesulekes damim, which means she doesn't have her cycles, that's therefore, therefore she's not going to get pregnant. She's not a real mesulekes damim. Normal, I know the difference. It's very rare cases, very rare cases. It happens. Yeah, it's only because it goes to the milk, but that's—it's almost... Majar's case. It's this: it's either she's functioning or she's not functioning. Get to make a long story short, so they want to say in the old days it was 24 months, meilu today she also give 24 months. I want to tie in, according to this Taz, it has to do with the way the leydes. Verehom misparkin. But the metzius is not like this today. Wait two seconds, let me just get my thought out, then you can bother. Verehom misparkin here, today the leydes are much easier. Babies are able to... What are you making... You know any woman that died in childbirth in the last 50 years? No, but the same metzius happens to women. Verehom misparkin. She doesn't suffer. Don't know what you're talking. The same metzius is happening to women, she doesn't feel it because she has epidural. So let me show you how you don't know what you're talking. In the old days, a woman was considered a choleh. A very long time after she had a baby. Today, women go to work after a week after they had a baby, so please don't talk ... The fact is that because of the way women have children today, the eivoreiha, the eivoreiha, is not damaged as much as this. Therefore, I believe that it has a lot to do with what he says about the dam. Meileh, dam is chozer. See? Mitoch tzaar chevlei leidah. Tzaar, tzaar, chevlei, tzaar, chevlei leidah. Eivoreiha misparkin, vedameha mistalkin. They took away the whole tzaar today. The tzaar went away, but the mitziyus happens. That's what taka happens. So you, my friend, are bothering me for no reason. Obviously you had a bad day. You didn't have your coffee in the morning. It says, mitoch tzaar. Did you read the word mitoch tzaar? It says the word tzaar. It's the tzaar. So what are you hocking a chainik? What's wrong with it? Let me say a simple thing. They're not sick. You agree. Okay. Why are you with him? You didn't... What's wrong? I start from the fact the baby is pushing out. The evarim, you're not feeling pain because your epidurals mishatek the nervous system, but the metzius is that while the baby is coming out, the evarim are going through what they're going. That's exactly what I'm saying. Exactly. Mitoch tzaar. Chevlei leida. What is the word, tzaar? No, the tzaar causes the... Yes, of course it has to. They become weak after... Of course. It was a big ordeal when they had a baby. Because on that time you could not have... Nowadays, don't they talk about... I'm trying to... Nowadays, ... Right, but the tzaar is there. Obviously, ... I want to tease you something. Sir, sir, let me... In olden days, when a woman had a baby, she wasn't able to walk. I understand. So what happened? Superwoman. Oh, they became superwomen. They could walk after. She couldn't walk because of the labor. There was... they used to die. I don't know, in Chinese, you can't compare the labor today to the labor... And therefore, the whole reason is tzaar, chevlei leida. Therefore today, tzaar chevlei leida was alleviated, and it's done in a way, professional, with the... and everything. They don't die, and therefore it's very shayach that that's why the blood comes back. I want you to keep this in mind because it's very nogea to the conversation.

By the women having more tzaar, and mitochin ivera, that she would have more blood. No, because what happens is that the body comes weak. Once the body, the system doesn't work טוב. I want you to know that one of the greatest forms of health is more blood. The body rejuvenates more bleeding. That's pshat hakazas dam, to take out the blood, in order for the body to work harder, to be healthy. That's the healthier the cells, red blood. So you should know that when a person's older, the science... 100%. Because dam does not really... No, it's because we're so weak that it doesn't help. Later gave up was the better. But now within, a woman has... Totally. You have to listen to everybody's problems. It's a shiur. It's just mine. Your problems... First of all, I'll be nice to you first, you don't have any, and then I'll be sharp to you. Your problems your wife has to listen, I don't. Oh, June. Just... You know, I have to... You mean mekayem... I'm joking. Okay, you hear? Yonatan, listen carefully. I'll stay with the first thing I said, you don't have problems. Yeah, listen carefully. As they say, Mishnah Acharonah: Yoveh hakasuv hashlishi yachria beinayhem. So listen, it's very pashut, I said, don't argue with me on a pashut thing. Today the lady is much easier, mimeila they're healthier and that sort. I just want to tell you one more thing. You know, a זקנה, an older woman, man, I'm sorry, man or a woman, they, you know, the cancers don't kill them as much. You know that. Why? Because since the body doesn't produce cells and blood, the cancer needs all this to grow. It grows on, because it grows crooked, but it grows. Youth is rejuvenation. That's why young people, they get hurt, they get right, they jump right back. The blood, the blood rejuvenates when you're young and healthy. Okay, the kids are. So when you're not healthy, the blood slows. The blood slows. That's why the circulation by older people is very bad. Circulation by older people. Okay, now. Ba'ayin b'sif she'achar zeh. Now, let's see the Shach. Says the Shach, ... Tami, the Taz didn't have the Shach. What is this all about here? I'm not really sure exactly. You mean he just wanted to make sure chazarah? What's this Shach over here, huh? What I'm reading is, I'm reading over the Taz, but just it's written in the Shach. No, same words. Same words. Okay. Chav daled chodesh, yeah. Ayin, I'm assuming yud-gimmel. V'ein chodesh ha'ibur oleh l'minyan. Ein chodesh ha'ibur oleh l'minyan. Ein chodesh ha'ibur oleh l'minyan. So let me ask you a question. Chodesh ha'ibur is not oleh l'minyan because of the metzius? You're shalmi, and if she has 24 months, so it goes according to the calendar of the Torah depending on her metzius? It has something to do with two years. It says 24. At least either way it's not chav daled. What does it mean, if it's chav daled chodesh... It's eino oyleh min hamin, right? Which means what? That the... So there's two lashonos. One says chavdaled, one says two years. So which one is ikar? I don't know. Two years could be 25. Someone talk to me. I feel like I'm talking to Beis hakvaros. Is there anybody? Hello? When I said nothing, a simple thing, everybody's fighting me. They're healthy, they're not healthy, they're delayed. Can you talk to me pshat in the shach now? Halacha l'maaseh, you have chavdaled chodesh, and the yemei ha'ibur, the extra month doesn't count. Right? The chodesh ibur doesn't count. Eino oyleh min, which means what? That it'll be 24 months and it doesn't count. Why? Because it's telling chadashim. That's the... therefore it would go chodesh by chodesh. Could be. That's what the Shach is saying, chavdaled chodesh, and therefore it's telling chodesh b'chodesh, right? Right? So it's telling the chodesh. Since it's telling the chodesh, so it's chavdaled chodesh. Are you gilna? Maybe. Come, it's an interesting vort. It's an interesting vort. If it's telling the metzius, you...

And kubi the metzius is two years, so then it would be taluy in chav hei chodesh. Mash'ein kein, mash'ein kein if you learn that this zman is chav daled chodesh, not two years. Therefore, you don't have two years. And that's... All right, two questions, Ari. First of all, where does it say, where's this girsa of shnatayim? You want to find—I know the Acharonim... They say in the Mishnah it's shnatayim. Yeah. You know that when you come to a posek today, and they want to give you a heter for two years, some do that—Rav Yankiv held. Rav Yankiv held that no matter what, you always have two years of... That was Rav Yankiv's... No. The people, the Litvisher who do it today, it's only because Rav Yankiv said you're allowed to do it. Rav Yankiv said you have two years. Why? Because in old days there was chav daled chodesh. Here, in old days it was chav daled chodesh. Oh, chav daled, because anyway, and today it was a shanah iburim, so meileh it meant that you actually have chav daled chodesh. So he's matir two years. So truly they shouldn't say two years; they should say chav daled chodesh. Rav Yankiv made a mistake. It's chav daled, including the me'uberes. Could someone find this information for me here? Not here, it's not in this one. Over there it's a... I graduated, yeah. She's allowed to do anyway. So if it's chav daled, it means the metzius-wise? Here, here. ... Okay. You know, it's funny, everybody's holding this sefer, and everybody's telling me... He said, that's what he says. That's the piece that he has on this... ... בשנה מעוברת אין חודש העיבור בכלל. The he misalek his dam in chaf hei chodesh. That's what it means. We don't count it that it's paka chaf hei chodesh. The mevuar b'Even HaEzer u'lmakreis. You see? The pischei, he says, הרי מבואר שם שדם נקרא ... מן המנין. So it's a whole different shakla. דאין חודש העיבור עולה למנין, which means you do have chaf hei; we don't count it. You have an extra month. Right. You can read the Shach two ways. Ein oleh min haminyan, which means that if you're talking about two years, don't count this in the two years. Meaning you have 25 months. Ein oleh min haminyan could mean that it doesn't count; you have 25. No, it doesn't count. No, it doesn't count. Ein oleh min haminyan. Meaning what, you have 23 months? No. Let's say the way to read it is like maybe if it's two years, right? So what are you going to come and say, that two years including this extra month? No, ein oleh min haminyan. It doesn't count. You have to tack away chaf daled chodesh. 24 months. It's not meduyak in the lashon. Let's see, right, the pashut way is to read it the other way. Ein oleh min haminyan, which means that you have a freebie, a one-month freebie. Right. Read the Pischei Teshuva. He quotes Shach. Yeah, so read the Pischei Teshuva, go ahead. ... אין לה אלא חודש אחד, ואין בשנה פשוטה ... מה ... הש"ך. So what's the taich in the Shach? Pashut, because the shmita teves tells you that. This is what he brings over here, right? V'ha'mohu shehich, achein b'sifrei haShach hayeshonim, hagirsa היא יש אומרים. That the Shach brings a yesh omrim. U'be'emes, shegam haRama modeh kan, d'hasam talya milsa b'hanakah, d'hacha talya b'piruk eivarim. V'kivan shelo niskaima mishnah shnosayim ela chodesh, chodesh ha'ibur עולה מן המנין, u'kach pasak b'Shulchan Aruch Harav. If it has to do with hanakah, so alt hanakah it would taka be ein עולה מן המנין. But since it's talui in piruk eivarim, so it's mamash a metziusdike thing, so then of course it's עולה מן המנין. So why would anyone argue on this? Because if we do all the metzius because of mefarkin eivarim, no? You know what, I'll tell you what goes through my mind. I think I'm telling you the truth. You see, I like what I'm saying. There's something called ימי הנקה. Then there's a physical thing. Are you sick or you're not sick? There's no such thing, I have six sick days. What do you mean sick?

A guy works, he has sick days, you know. But chutz mizeh, there's no sick days. As long as you're sick, you're sick. Can you imagine a guy that'd say like this: a strep throat takes seven days, right? After three days he feels better. You see him on the golf course playing over there. The doctor said it's a seven-day affair. It's a seven-day thing, the strep throat. So, telling the ... it's not telling the yamim. Hashenki mei hanakah is zman. Mei hanakah, that's what I hold. I hold that I'm touching on a nerve in the sugya. Are we talking about this physical, actual choleh, she's sick, she's mesulekes damim, she's not gonna find blood? Or this is zman, mei iburah, mei hanakah. There's dinim when the mei hanakah, that she doesn't have to be choshesh. I think it's a very good point. Who wants to read? No, I'm saying like this: if you learn that it's totally on physical, yes, no, yes, no, so then the pshat is, he's saying good. It's a real mispaken. It's chavdaled chodesh. What is years? Waited chodesh ibur coming, 24 months. It's 21. She feels better. What do you want from her? Hashenki, if it has to do with hanakah, mei hanakah, you know what? Let's read it inside. Even ha'ezer siman yud-gimmel se'if katan daled. You know what that's about? Legabei hafchanah. There's halacha that you're supposed to have chavdaled chodesh, which is actually not chavdaled, three years. You're supposed to put a three-year difference, because the first nine months you have to make sure, right, between the babies, and then you have to give chavdaled chodesh, otherwise you can't get married. You're not supposed to get married between one husband, because then she'll get pregnant, and then she won't nurse the baby, and the baby might die. This is called yemei havchanah, okay, if she's a meuberes and she's nursing a baby, okay? So he's saying there it's תליא in the metzius of havchanah. So the metzius of havchanah is yemei havchanah. Yemei havchanah is tachach two years. ממילא shnas ha'ibur is included. It's a moirdike vort. Even if it's more than two years, Rebbe? What do you mean it's more than two? Even if there's an extra month. More than 24 months. Even if— It will be 25. Let's say she gives milk for three years, four years. No, no, only— Two is normal. Two years. Two years. Talk about the baby who's not going to die. Here, two years. ... No, she's a shiur av, ... five years. No. Only— You might think that it doesn't. No, so I'm saying, so zman, meaning— I'm saying so, when a person's not married before this month, before the 24, because she might get pregnant, and then the baby's— the milk, whatever, is going to stop, and therefore the baby's going to die, which they say today maybe you don't have to keep because we have formula today. It's a big shailah in the poskim, the whole halachah. Yeish omrim it's not neges, therefore it's mutar. Yeish omrim that takanas chachamim is takanas chachamim. You know, it all has to do with this also. It's not a physical thing; it's a shailah in zman. They gave a zman called yemei havchanah. Our day is called yemei havchanah. So then the month is included. Masha'en kein if you learn Rabbeinu Saadya, that what? If you learn that it's תליא in the metzius, ... after 24 months, that's all it says. Beautiful. Crazy place. Okay, let's see a little further. Okay, we did this. All right, now let's see a little bit halachah l'maaseh from all the discussion that we had. What happens if you're mevarer, mevarer for sure that she is pregnant? That's what we spoke. See, if you learned it in kaiches, telling the metzius. Someone's, the metzius is there, it's there. Someone declares, you can't trust the doctor, you can't trust the tester. This is so. What's the havamina not to trust the doctor? What's the havamina not to trust the doctor? ... That's what I... I understand what I want. Now you understand the shiur? This is what I'm trying to... Oh, who said that? That's the... Rav says an interesting thing. Rav says a little bit in the middle somewhere. He says a little bit interesting stuff. He says like this: Although doctor says she's for sure me'uberes, for sure after even one month, you have a baby, it's good, it's kosher. Because Chazal told us... They want to say that the metzius is also not that way, that actually it gets less and less the blood.

But she's not completely ... because dumb. It's a big chiddush. Pashut, they're really ... dumb. Rabbi, I don't understand. It brings a proof that ... This goes on ... Chelek daled, which one? He says, ... unlike his ... in his teshuvos. ... maaseh, ein l'hakel bazeh, unlike his in his teshuvos. ... ... transformation. Chelek daled, for ... I know what it is. It's ... We have ... I want to see that. Oh, in Chelek daled they bring all ... Don't bring me Chelek daled. Fierce, fierce, fierce, fierce. ... Chelek daled, we must see this. Then he continues, if he sees, he says the metzius today is that people don't see blood. I said that. I'm saying something else. If you learn it's ... the metzius, okay, fine. But it's a big chiddush to come and say that they don't. ... arguing in ... is what the ... ... There's no ... ... We know women today have ... Can Rabbi explain what's the reason? Everybody has to let me talk. Let me talk, let me finish this. Okay, so this becomes the shaylah. Can you look it up? Can you look up Chelek daled here? But look at ... teshuvah. I want to see it. Could be what Reb Moshe is trying to say is this is slight, even if all the cheshbonos are true, but he doesn't give me a mashal. Give me a great mashal. Remoisha holds baruch hachamur, that there's no shvisas Yisrael. It doesn't exist. He holds metzius doesn't exist. What does that mean? When they check for milk, I have news for you, it's the same as if they didn't check. That's a Remoisha. Golden Flow and Farm Dairy is the same chalav Yisrael. They're both chalav Yisrael. Even though one of them is OUD, whatever it is. Right. He also holds chalav Yisrael, no chashash. Lamaaseh, she'rai, shemayim, shebimachmir, this and that, sheyish bai chalav Yisrael. I thought your whole teshuva was that there is no such thing, so how could you be machmir one, something that doesn't exist? You know what the teretz is? The teretz is very poshut. At the end of the day, even if the reasons might not be there, there was a takanah to make chalav Yisrael. So this is now chalav Yisrael. That's it. The takanah, the takanah stands. Batel hataam, hatakanah omedes. The takanah stands. You know what this is? This is the same thing with the mesules dam. Remoisha might be saying the same yesod. Cheese is a misselect is dam, and there's nothing what to talk about, and the gezeirah doesn't apply, and the whole thing is not nogea. But lemaaseh there's such a thing called vestes, and lemaaseh there's such a thing called yemei iburah, and there was halacha that bimei iburah you don't have to keep the vestes, but it has to be gimel chadashim shehukru brah. Not mishideiya im hibur u'beres, yesheroker uv. This is the truth. This is the middah. The middah over here is, do we go after the metzius? Do we care about the metzius? Says Rav Moshe, maybe we care about the metzius. Says Rav Avadia, it's not about the metzius over here. Then he brings in the Chasam Sofer. It's not true, it's not exactly mesulak. You want to know the truth, what I learned pshat in this Chasam Sofer? It has to do with what I told you, metzius and mesulak. What the Chasam Sofer is saying, Avadah she's not seen blood. She's not motzi, she's not going to be seeing blood. But you can't be giving her a mesulak, a stamp of a thing that she's finished. Is she a mesulak dam? That's what the Chasam Sofer is saying. Tell me, by the time bedikas chametz comes, you have any chametz? No. You know what bedikas chametz is all about? It's a standard, you don't have chametz. Hachanas chametz, to make a steak, you don't have chametz, that's all it is. You know that. Even though you buy the chametz and you clean and there's nothing there and this and that, according to—good, you put ten pieces of bread.

You don't have to do that. It's all clean. The house is all clean. What do you buy the chametz for? No. Not ... Make sure you have no chametz. You have no chametz. Not to find it. To be mevarer chametz. To be mevarer chametz, and you were mevarer it already. You took care of it before. No, to be mevarer that you have nothing. That's right. To be mevarer. It's to make a stamp of approval: I did my job. Gemar hasilik. I held that's pshat in Chasam Sofer, because the emes is, I don't believe the Chasam Sofer is saying that the bleeding was different then. It's very hard to say. It's not pashut to me that. But al kol panim, this is the machlokes. This is what they're arguing. Okay, now let's move on to the next. Is there something bichlal called vests? Holy English shailos. If you need a misulekes damim, and the time's a misulekes damim means her calendar, rip it up and throw it out, so there's no such thing as vests. Hasheini, if the pshat she doesn't have to be choshesh for her vests — there's taiches there is, it's just there's no to be choshesh for them. Ein tzorech lifroia סמוך לוסתה. But she doesn't have a veses. What are you talking about? I want you to know that R' Moshe discusses this chakirah. Igros Moshe, chelek gimmel, siman nun-vav, page shin aleph. Ein vestes. There's no such thing. R' Moshe holds such a thing doesn't exist. It's just not there. Huh? Yeah. There's nothing. I mean, what vest are you talking about? It's just not there. There's no such a thing. There's no vestes. It's just not there. Okay. What happens... Yeah. It should be a cute story, okay? Cute case. You name a nikta, name a nikta. She's a mesulekes damim and this and that and v'chulu v'chulu, right? What happens if she's not? Let's say she has vestos. She sees, whatever they are. And then she finishes her mei mei nikta. Does she have to keep those vestos, or those vestos are finished? Let's say she's nursing and she sees, ech, every other month. You like my shaila? Does she have to keep those? If you learn that she's a mesulekes damim, so, I l'maaseh she sees. So you come and declare that she's a mesulekes damim, but she's not really a mesulekes damim, right? The deal with the taiches is ein domeh hamitzui. So she's seeing less of what she normally sees, though. Most things, mesulekes damim, we take her old calendar, throw it out the window, okay? This is her calendar. There's a change. Yeah. Maybe that change will stay. Shayla is, there's such a thing called yemei nikta. The vestus of the yemei nikta maybe don't apply after. You like my shayla? This, l'choira, I believe would be תלוי this above shayla. Now, there's more talk in the Acharonim on this. You know who does a great job? The Shevet HaLevi. This is a good stam in there, muberes, a meinekes, and all the modern-day shailos on it. You want, I wrote here the pages of it, okay? I wrote here the pages of it. He has interesting shailos. I'm sure are not in here. I saw them here also. Let's say the woman didn't even do any bedikos. She got pregnant right away. What happens if a woman gets married and she got pregnant right away? Im avar zman rav, achar nisuin.

אישה שנישאת מיד אחר הנישואין, ולפי מה שביארתי בשער הלוי, שיש להקל לפוטרה מבדיקה בג' חדשים ראשונים. היכא דצריכה בדיקה, גילוי תאמין לא יספס אחר הלידה. כיוון שהבדיקה ראשונה הוי בזמן שלא היתה בחזקת ראויה. You know, you're supposed to check three times that you're not a ro'eh machmas tashmish, right? But she's a mesulekes damim because she got pregnant, so what do you want? But you expect it to cease, right? So now after the leidah, does she go back to have to check that she's not a ro'eh machmas tashmish? דעתי נוטה שחייבת. Why? Because whatever she did check was בזמן שלא היתה בחזקת ראויה. So therefore, דעתי, she has to do it. ואין מקום להאריך על גין עוד עיין בזה. He wants to look into it. Then he writes over here, עיין עוד חלק תס סימן מ, מסתמא — that's a separate תשובה, I never saw that תשובה. Okay. What would you say? Someone came to you, Elon, how would you pasken this shaila? You want to know something? That's why people would come to you, right? Best for business. When you want the business, you matir her k'snidah, and you ask her k'seirah. That's the right way to go. Yeah, what's the question? Interesting shaila, what? Supposed to check that she's not arei machmas passulus. He says, but one minute, she's not going to see because she's a selectus damim. And as soon as she is not, she should go back to having to check. That's what you say, huh? I have something else that's going through my mind. If the vestes continue, is the vestes continue, right? Now the pshat is that she doesn't have to be choshesh for those vestes. She doesn't have to be choshesh for those, especially like the Chasam Sofer, that for the first three months she's anyway not called a mesulekes damim, so maybe it counts as long as she didn't have a bedikah. But she has to search to make sure to find that she's a ra'uyah machmas tashmish. There was a takanas bedikah. She made it. There's no blood here. Tell me, could she have a vestes even though there's no blood? I'll say she has a mei veset. I have a different question. If mei vestes work during yemei iburah, every woman should be chayeves a vestes; she doesn't have a vestes. Why not? If vestes keep on going, so let's three months be chayeves a vestes that she doesn't have a vestes. This was a question before the Uber. The din of three months, maybe it's that, is the din of three months that she maya vest that she doesn't have a vest? Meila, everything is miyush. What's the whole shayla? The whole shayla is, what does she have to check? She's zecher nakahsi anyway. You're right, but it's not enough. What you have to do is to be kovea vest that you don't have a vest. Therefore the three months is anyway. Tell me, hukah ubra is how long? Three months. According to the Chasam Sofer, does that have anything to do with hukah ubra? Does that have anything to do with proving that she's pregnant, or has to do with a metzius of three months? Remember I asked you this question. I said, is hukah ubra proof, or is hukah ubra a time span? The answer is it's a time span, and it's three months. Hukah ubra is the time span, a proof on the three months. That's all it is. It's not about ubra. It's not a proof. It's a time span of three months, because once three months come,

She's a mesulekes. So pshat is she was kovea vest that she doesn't. So then it comes out to be the vest will not work with her. Oh, so till three months she could be boledes, and then she's finished. If she's able to catch three months, I would argue. If she's still doing bechilas טהרה, You want to say? I want to say till the three months everything continues. Besides, all the same thing, they're supporting her. But if she still doesn't... if she still... she can't sustain those three months, why should she? Go to a doctor. She needs a doctor. This...