Hilchos Niddah: Prishah Samuch LaVeses, Veses HaGuf, and an Early or Changing Veses

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Okay, Ramo. Bechavod, Rav Ilan, Rav Ilan, tikra את הרמ״א. Read the Rama. I don't have the Rama. Okay, have it next to what? The Rama or the Rambam? Ramo. Oh, the Rama. Kuf pei daled, yeah? Ramo. There's no Rama. There's no Rama. I'm on page. Let's go. So, וכל זה לא מיירי אלא בבסת התלוי בימים. Okay, stop. What does וכל זה mean? You know who said וכל זה? Haman said it. וכל זה איננו שווה לי. What do you mean, וכל זה? All of this. וכל זה. All these laws of vest. All these laws. Tell me, did you do any of the mefarshim? Did you do anything? On this? Yeah. Let me see. We did? I mean, do all the mefarshim translate וכל זה, all of the above? Not all of them translate. It's not so clear what he's going on. What case? What story? What when? It's a big machlokes haposkim, huh? You didn't know that the וכל זה is not so pashut what he means by וכל זה? Anyways, let's go further, huh? I can't hear what. Yeah, but which part of that halacha? וכל זה is mashma everything. It's everything that he said above is not nogea in this case. It's not so clear. The Acharonim and the Gedolei Haposkim, they disagree if that's what it means. Anyways, v'chol zeh — what is it? Yeah? V'chol zeh. I have a lo b'veset hataluy b'yamim. V'chol zeh, read the next word. V'chol zeh lo mairi ela b'veset hataluy b'guf. Go ahead. Continue. V'isha shemeshanit vestah l'hakdim shnayim o shlosha yamim, o l'acher k'shemagia zman vestah, tzarich lifrosh mimena shnayim o shlosha yamim, קודם או אחריו. Okay, now let me ask you a question like this. Let me ask you a question, the following question. Does the third part of the mechaber have anything to do with the second part, with vest hayamim, vest haguf? Does it have anything to do with this, or it's a third thing? Ramon. It's a third thing. Is it a third thing, Rafi? I want to know like this: v'chol zeh is talking about what? By vest hayamim, not vest haguf. And then he continues with the story, v'isha, and a woman. So v'isha therefore, and mimeila, continue from that v'isha? Or this is a separate thing? First of all, it's not negate to vest haguf, only vest hayamim, and also a new thing, v'isha. What do you say? Separate thing. You hold that? I don't know that. Many poskim hold not like that. Obviously not. No, you said it all together. So you see, this is where I'm showing you something very interesting. You learned it and you learned it and you learned it. I'm just reading with you. I just show you, learn to read it. And you want to—it's not even to you, Kim. I just want to—did you read it? Did you know what he says? So let's learn what he says. I'm teaching you, just read. That calls the isha one ona, ba'onasma. Oh. Ona. That's why, because the ona achat. Right, because it says, ishah is the same thing. Mashenkein by vest haguf, we don't care about ona, which means what? Maybe it's only that moment. And then there's a new thing, an isha that sees a few days. The same thing, it's pavahibur. But he said differently. So let's continue. Once you know the information, you'll see that what I did for you was I finished the whole shiur in this sentence. That was it. That was the shiur. That's it. You want another shiur? That's it. I could technically go home now. But being that I'm a nice person and I want to teach you information, so we'll learn a little information. What is the case? Okay, Ephraim, let me tell you what we just showed you. You see, yesterday Ilan said to me, Could you just read the Rambam with me? What did I answer you? Don't do that. Please, please don't do that to me. You know why?

To read this Rama is not one minute. It doesn't take one minute to read this Rama. Why? Because I don't know what he means by v'chol zeh. And all, all, what does all refer to? Second of all, what does he mean by vest haguf, vest hayamim? Meaning what? When there's a vest haguf, so you only have to worry about when that moment, when she feels the... okay. And what's the third thing? A new thing, ish sheroya three days' worth, right? So she has to go back three days' worth. Oy dilma, it's all one big Rama, v'chol zeh, and the second nekudah, vest hayom, vest haguf, and therefore ish sheroya. And I'm going to show you that in the poskim, the different ways they learned this Rama depended on the way they read this Rama. Yes, I'm going to finish everything. Baruch Hashem, let's just—let me give you as much information that I can give you, and don't worry, we'll still have a lot of learning to do. You know, it's very easy to come and say, yeah, we'll get nida, and smich, and everything. It takes time. Okay, now, you ready? Rama. So far I didn't do anything—no diukim, no toires, no chidushim. Rama. You want to read it? Good. You don't want to read it? Okay, just say you're... you don't have to know the Rama. Okay, no problem. But if you want to read it, let's read it. Okay, so let's discuss: what does it mean she has to see two or three days? What do you mean two or three? I mean, what is two or three? It's a— you could pick. What do you mean two or three? If it's two days, it's two days. If it's three days, it's three days. How does he give it, ishah that what? Isha, huh? Vesta. Okay. Okay. So, I mean, depending on the story, if it's bet, it's bet; if it's gimel, it's gimel. Is that true? Is it possible that there's something about bet or gimel yamim? Meaning, do we mean singular days, or do we mean a tekufah? It could be two days, it could be three days. Do we divide, do we divide the days? Yom leyom yabia omer, or there's a tekufah. Let's say she sees three days earlier, right? So the entire three days, is bet klapei bet, or is gimel klapei gimel? Is that what it is? One for one, and therefore if it's bet, it's bet, gimel it's gimel? Or if she's meshaneh, till up to three, right? So then it's a three-day time frame that she has to be, what, poresh. You know, when some is meshaneh bet or gimel yamim, there's two ways to say it. There's three different days. It could be three days, right? Which means is, lu yetzuria, it was day one, and then there's day four, and then there's day six. So then you have to do one, four, and six. Or if she's meshaneh three days, you know what? We look at it, this actually starts from three days. This is a long veset of three days. Yes. No, no, no. Meshaneh means to switch, change. Change from what? Change from the kavua. Which means she had a veset of just one day, and now she started— All of a sudden, something's going earlier, something went earlier, something's wrong. So she has a different chazakah now of seeing either one of two days or three days. We don't know yet if it's kavua or not. That's a machlokes haposkim. We're not holding there yet. I'm just translating with you. What does it mean, bet? Meshaneh means she changed already. Do you mean bet, gimmel, yamim, days? And the chiddush is that it could be two days, it could be three days. Or you don't mean one, two, three. You don't mean that. You know what you mean? You mean that it's earlier three days. Forget about day, day, day. It could go back even three days earlier. The second way? Why do you say the second way? So how can she see in one month three separate days? Who says it's three? Who says one month? Who said it's one month? Maybe it's three months, whatever. Who said it's twenty-five? She was following months. She twenty-six. That's right. So who said?

The whole thing is, now she saw Tet-vav, next she saw, I don't know. So you say she already a veses kavua Tet-vav, right? Yeah? Three months already she's kavua, and then she suddenly saw a Tet-zayin. Oh, do I need another month seeing? The point is, are we giving her three days, right? Meaning it's because one day, one day, one day, one day. Or sometimes the veses moves three days, so there's three days earlier already. Huh? What did you just say? Of course it's a machlokes. Maybe I shouldn't teach it. Should I not teach it? I should teach it. How do we get to the metzius of this? What was the veses kavua before that? How do we get to— The point is, she always has a veses, and then all of a sudden, you don't know this? You don't know this machlokes? Only one. When? Just one time she changed? Three times? So let's say it's three times. It's not the point. The point is, when you say beis, gimel, yud, do you mean therefore she has beis and this and that? Or it just that it became earlier? That Ravad learns that her veses now is three days long earlier. It starts three days earlier and it just keeps on going for three days. That's her veses. Other poskim, which we shouldn't see, learn that it's not that. That the Rema did not pasken like the Ravad, but rather, you know who he paskens like? He paskens like—not the... meaning there's one day, then it's one day. There's no thing as it went three days earlier, so from now on, from three days earlier, she's automatically... As anhuda, Rashi do it. Beis or gimel yamim, the talui b'bet. It's bet. Gimel, gimel, because there's gimel yamim. But not that it's a gimel yamim b'hemshech. It's not gimel yamim, bet, bet, b'hemshech earlier. So this we're going to learn as a machlokes how to learn the Rama. Ilan, this so far so good? You know that there's a machlokes how we learn this Rama? Okay. Well, the poskim can bring it. Who, the Drisha, the Prisha, who brings it over? They all bring it, okay? Could we see it inside? Could you chazer it? It's in the Pischei Teshuva. I'd rather you'd chazer it. It's in the Pischei Teshuva. We're going to do the Pischei Teshuva anyway, so just wait a little bit. We're going to do it. Let me just give you a little bit more information like this you'll understand the whole Pischei Teshuva, you'll understand. Let's see how the Taz learns this case. Says the Taz, what is the story in the Rama, in the last part of the Rama? You know what? Before I do the Taz, let me ask you a simple question. You know what strikes me very strange, very, very strange, strange, extremely strange? This mechaber is teaching me prisha סמוך לוסת. That's the whole mechaber over here. What's called a vest? There's not really a chiddush in the mechaber here. You know that. You know what siman is designated for that? Siman kuf pei tes. That's what siman kuf pei tes is all about. As a matter of fact, you know the Shach and the Taz both kuf pei tes. Whenever they're talking here on this Rama, like I explained in siman kuf pei tes. Is there any reason why the Ramah has to bother me here in this siman? Is there a special reason that you want to start talking about something which is irrelevant here? Maybe start talking about vestes. You know what? Because it's where we're holding in the beginning, and I found a good opportunity to bother you about something that's really not negea to what the Mechaber is talking about. Mechaber is telling you a chiddush, that there's a halacha called prishas סמוך לוסת. וכל זה — and he picks one case, you hear? That's the only case of vestes. You and meir this kasha. Why not? Tell me, anybody who did the Rama, it doesn't strike you that, like, וכל זה? That's right. That's what I think. That's what I think. I want to be mechadesh. You know, I'm afraid to say, because then they're going to say I'm saying ta'uy. I'm not saying any ta'uy. If you learn that he's trying to tell me chiddushim in Hilchos vestes, then you're off your rocker. Completely. I mean, it's like you read the Mechaber. What are you talking about? Siman kuf pei tes. He's not teaching me kuf pei tes. You know what he's teaching me? Prishas. היסוד, וכל זה, the yesod of the Mechaber. That's why I told you, וכל זה. The whole yesod of the Mechaber is only in vest haguf and not...

Vesta yom and not vesta guf, and v'isha — not stam a case. Cases go to kuf pei tes. It's a yesod here in Perek ... ves. Now let's uncover that yesod. Let's uncover it. Taz says, what's the story? Go ahead, Ilan, read. What's the story? ... No, no, the case. Isha she... he brings a case, no? She's kavuah, she's not kavuah. What's the story there? The Taz? The Taz here, no? So he says, עין ביאור על זה בסימן קפ״ט. ... Go over this, I remember from kuf pei tes. Kuf pei tes. Go to kuf pei tes. What's the story? Isha she... so what's the maaseh? What's the story over there? I remember a Taz on this. Yeah, he says, ... It's right over here, no? ... Which Taz is he looking at? Oh, it's the Shach maybe. Go, go. And nothing better to do anyway, so let me learn. Go ahead, yeah? Right. Oh, you don't do פירוש כל השלושה ימים. Okay, tell me, isn't everything I just told you written in those words of the Shach? Everything I told you. Otherwise, מה ענין זה לכאן? What are you stopping hakping and chatting about vest? What is he talking about? Did you see what the Shach—you saw it? You're not coming to teach me shini vestos. That's not what it's about, because מה ענין זה לכאן? Who asked you this question? I asked you this. Now you see what I'm getting at. I'm getting at something. The Shach is saying, ממילא we have to fathach that he doesn't mean a three-day vest; he means something else. He means פרישה סמוך לוסת. This is also סמוך לוסת.

This would be called a chiddush din in סמך לוסת. It can't mean that you're teaching me a yesod that the woman who's meshaneh vestah, you have to be poresh from shinui haveses, because there's no chiddush. There's nothing. You're not saying anything. What are you teaching me, kuf pei daled? What, kuf pei tes? What are you talking about? There's a chiddush that this earlier day is also called פרישה בעונה הסמוכה לוסת. The whole זה, not אישה המשנה וסתה. That's not the point. The point is, אישה, you hear? אישה שיש לה שינוי, יש דין של פרישה סמוך לוסת. Are we talking about a קבוע or not a קבוע? I just answered you. Are we talking about קבוע or are we talking about not, not קבוע? Iain Toras השלם. Let's read now Toras השלמים, קוף פה, תסיף קטן חבב. Yeah. חסר אדני המלך, yeah. Meaning when she has a veset kavua. Right. Right. You hear? Where there's a veset kavua, eino chashashi. You don't have to be choshesh three days' worth; who has to be choshesh three days' worth? It's not like the Shach. It's not. He says she's changing, he says. She's changing. But this is not kavua. This woman changed from a not kavua. I don't want to... Forget about it. Don't fardrayen. You're making too many numbers; people are going to get lost. I just explained this yesod, that the Shach was talking with kavua, not kavua. I don't want to know what the Shach is talking about. Huh? With kavua. What does the Toras Shlom say when it is kavua? You have to choshesh one day. But if it's not kavua? You'd be choshesh three days. Shach? No? You don't know what I'm talking about? You don't know what I'm talking about? Now, I'll tell you what the best thing to do is. But only one day, you don't have to worry about the three days. He's trying to say the Shach is not mechalek between kavuan, not kavuan. He says you never have to worry about three days. It's not true. Yes. Right. How did she become to meshaneh? How do I know? He comes on his wife on Yud-Daled, on Yud-Gimmel, because that was, he knows she gets on Tet-vav. So what happened? Suddenly he was at work, I don't know, she got at Yud-Gimmel, and now the question is that we choshesh for all days or just for that day? That's the question. Right. But what my question is, Ribono Shel Olam, the Rama says meshaneh. That means she changed already. She was Tet-vav. Suddenly one... Questions, what do you do? True, she went like Tet-vav, then Yud-Gimmel, then Yud-Daled. I think that's what the Rama... Then there's no meshaneh. What she changed for?

Change once. Change once. Okay, so the Shach says now, change from what? Okay, so the Shach says, if she changed from not a kavua, if she changed from not a kavua. No, so the Shach says either way it's only one day. It's not three days. We don't mean— No, the Shach doesn't say. The Shach just says it means one day. That's what it means. It doesn't mean three days. It doesn't mean three days. Okay, now listen here. Now, if you'd like to have a synopsis of everything that's, you know, the klorkeit, barur, now you can go look at your Pischei Teshuvah. Go ahead, your Pischei Teshuvah. Go ahead, read the Pischei Teshuvah on this seif, and he brings all the business. Go ahead. Go ahead. Wow, three-day vest. Okay, the Shach doesn't say that, right? Let's go weiter. That's noida b'Yehuda. Continue. Yeah, it's also. So he learns the Rambam differently. What has he learned the Rambam? Go ahead. Gimel paamim. Sir? See? See? Naidibihu, the gimel paamim. Chavis daas. The question. That's why I said you have to wait. And you know what it is? What you said is true, and what you said is true, and what you said is true. It's mashma. I don't know what's mashma. It's very complicated, Rambam. Let's see. Keep on reading. Go ahead, read the Pischei Teshuva inside. Okay, so who wants to— Ilan, Ilan, come. Does anybody understand, or some guys don't understand? Ilan, here, come. I want you to explain what we just said: the Rambam and the different ways how to read the Rambam. The way I understood it, which probably is not correct. Probably is correct. Why are you saying? There's a chazakah that you're mis... Go ahead. Anyways, so in the Rambam there's a few different ways of looking at it. According to the Nodah B'Yehuda— Let's start with the Shach. Let's start with the Shach. First let's do the Ra'avad. The Ra'avad says you got to go back three days and have a three-day-long business. No, the lady that had one, who had three days. All right. Doesn't matter if she has kvius or no kvius. We don't know what it means. That's the ra'ayah. Comes along this shach, and the Shach says, Not. It's one day. Well, who's that three day? What are you talking about? Not true. Which means there is no ra'ayah. As far as he's concerned, this Rama is not about a ra'ayah, but it's about the— because otherwise he soser himself. Otherwise the Rama soser himself. Not true. You have something that makes it easy over there? Something? So then you'll read it. You'll read it for us. What is it? Huh? Shem Yishmuel? Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. No. Continue, continue, please. What do you want? So the Shach comes along and says, One second. If you're going to tamper like the Ra'avad, it comes out the Rama in kuf pei daled, he says so, and he says in kuf pei vav. It's not true. It's just not true, right? And only we can be soser ourselves, not the Rama, right? Right. So therefore he wants to come along and say that what? According to the Rama, all you have to do is be choshesh for that one day. One day. And if it's two days earlier, then it's two days. If it's three days, it's three days earlier. It doesn't make a difference when that one day is. Yafeh me'od. I remember seeing in the Taz also, so maybe it's a kuf pei tes in the Taz, maybe it's— I remember seeing a Taz like this. Okay, go ahead. The cheating sefarim maybe we'll bring with the Taz. Go ahead.

Either one day or three days she has to be. Let's say she saw... I'm drawing you a cup. Either she's three days early, she has to wait for the first day that she saw earlier, all three days. Don't give me numbers. I don't want— you give me numbers, I throw you out. I throw you out right away. The minute you start on my shiur with numbers, I throw you out of here. It's not good. I can't help you. I'm not here to teach you detail. I can't, I can't. You start with the numbers, I don't have a shiur, then it becomes a math class. That's it. Either one day or three days early. So what? One day. One day. Okay, so you see it got without the numbers. I don't need six. What happens if she sees on six? If she sees on 4:30 at five, four, forget it. Don't make crazy. One day or three days. No, it's not your fault. I'm just teaching you. Otherwise you can't help teach. You're gonna start— If he... Kabuah is twenty days... Okay, you know, I'll take a vote. You ready? Who understood it? Who thinks the way I'm doing it is easier, or the way he's doing it is easier? See? Nobody's answering that your way is easier. It's a raya that I'm right. Stick it going that. Okay, it's easier. No numbers. Stay away from numbers. It's one day or three days. Go ahead. Yeah, Nu? So which day is she supposed to see, the niddah, the kavuah day or the last day that she saw? She's supposed to see on the kavuah day, and she didn't see. She saw three days earlier. The question is, should she worry about three straight days till her zman? One day. Whatever day it is. No, whatever day she saw. Whatever day she saw. It was three days earlier, three days. Two days. No days. Go ahead, piskei teshuva, go ahead. No! Piskei teshuva. Say it. So then he brings down another ... that a lady that has b'derech kvius sees between, let's say, ... she sees within three days, okay? She has a vest of within three days. Go ahead, continue. Chavis daas, she was taka kovea. She was kovea, four and three, two and one, one and six, six and five, five, four. Okay, good. So therefore she becomes what? You have to be choshesh for the three days, but only in this case. All right. Let's discuss an interesting shaylah. You ready? I want to know, in all these stories that she was magdim lirot, did she also see on her yom vest? That's what I want. Again, again. I want to know, in all these stories, ... Right. Okay, now let me tell you what I want. Let me tell you what I want. I want to know, did she also see on her yom kavua, on her normal period? It's the story is that she skipped the kvius. She skipped it. Meaning she saw before and not kavua, she saw after. Rafi says, משתנת means that what? That she skipped. Don't accept me. What makes you think משתנת means that she didn't see her yom kavua? משתנת means she's also, just there's a change. I don't know where he got his information. He decided, the pasken. It means that she didn't see the yom kavua. Who said? Who said? Where do you get this from? What is the translation of פרישה סמוך לוסת? What is the translation? למה יפרשו מנשיהם סמוך לווסתן. Is that the lashon of the Gemara? I want to know the exact words of the lashon of the Gemara. If you don't—

I'm going to tell you a chiddush that you're going to dance in the streets when you're ready. Nu, get the Gemara. Melamed sheyifrshu min nesheihem. Nu? Samuch levestan. Does it say samuch leveset, or does it say samuch levestan? Quiet! I think the oilam became very comfortable over here, too comfortable. They think that it became a seminar. Seminar. Hilchos nidah seminar. It's not a seminar. Listen carefully. There's a shiur here, and I'm the maggid shiur, and there's ritcha, there's going to be fire if you don't follow, all right? Is the plural of vestan because it's many women, or is the plural of vestan because it's many vestes? You like it? Melamed sheyifrshu min nesheihem, samuch leveset. What kind of lashon is levestan? I never heard such a lashon. Could be. When you want to talk about many women who have one veset, you don't say samuch levestan. You don't talk like that. The diyuk ha-lashon Gemara is very, very not meduyak. An isha has one veset. You're talking about many women. Ves-tan. There's many women. You're not going to say veset. Hen. Tan is not a lashon. No, that's... There it talks about the women. That's their... That's what they stand. Looking for them will be many vestos. There are many vestes. This is their veset, one veset. Ves-toteihen. Vestan. Maybe the simple what says in Aramaic, there's no vesta tehen; it's only in Hebrew. In Aramaic there's no vesta tehen, you understand? The Lamed shiur says, סמוך לוסת תוסי הן. I'm not 100% sure about that, but I just bring it up. You know why I'm bringing it up? I'll tell you why I'm bringing it up. Tell me, you know what I'm talking about now? You know what I want? I want to know what is called prishah. I want to know what it means, prishah סמוך לוסת. Is there an established vest, and the din prishah is a din in the din of the vest? Is halacha vest, right? Is halacha vest. What's called סמוך? I'll give you another example. You want another example? You know there's something called tosefes Shabbos. What is tosefes Shabbos? Does anyone know what tosefes Shabbos is? What is it? It's supposed to be mosif mechol al hakodesh. Is it Shabbos? Huh? Of course it's machlokes, right? It's machlokes. Big, big, great. I want to know what does it mean, melamed she... According to the tzad that it's one minute before, what do you mean סמוך לוסת תוסי? What does it mean? Do you mean simply like I spoke to you, that you have to be careful because it's coming, or it's mosif mechol al hakodesh, the vest actually is a minute before because of it. If an isha is alulah lirois two or three days earlier, right? What is that? What does it mean? That means her veset is earlier? Or that means is the alulah lirois of this woman is grade earlier. The chshash is earlier. You know what this Ramban is saying? V'chol zeh, v'chol zeh, that we talk about a day and a night, v'chol zeh that we talk about a day and a night, d'hainu, the Ramban is mechadesh, the Ramban is mechadesh, which I told you is emes, the din of prishas סמוך לוסת is din miyom. Oina hasamuch. We spoke about this, according to the Rav Yosef, right? It's not yom, it's certain hours. There's no yom and laila. It's not about yom and laila. It's about around the zman, right? Different shitas. You mean before, you mean after, you mean half and half, you mean the day's less.

You should ... right, the different sheetos in the Av Yasaf, but it's not about a day and a night. It's about when it might come. There's a around, there's a before and an after. The Mechaber doesn't hold like that, right? Mechaber is paskening that there's a din yom. Says the Rama, you know when there's a din yom? That's only by a vest, hatali b'yom. It's a vest, hatali b'yom, b'yamim. So then the prisha hasomech levest, which is mechadesh to me the vest, it's a din in the yom. Where the vest is eini minat b'yom, where the vest is where? Beguf. So then there's another halacha, and then there's another halacha. Then it becomes a prisha hasomech levest, not the yom, but there's a din of somech levest. Oh yes, there is. Oh yes, there is. Oh yes, there is. Minute before. Minute before. Two minutes before. Wherever you're not gonna go into the vest. At four o'clock. She's needed, and I know after she's needs this. She's finished at four. I know that 4:50 she's gonna get a vest. That's right. So do I have to stop at four, or can I stop at 4:44? Four, four, one minute, two minutes before. That's the question. So far, so good, right? But you hear what I'm saying. Now, the isha, what about a woman that's meshaneh? If you're referring to a yom, says the Shach, so it's yom. What are you making a zman for? It is a zman. What are you actually talking about? What kind of zman could there be? But if we're giving her not a yom because it's not talui b'yamim, there's shayach a new chiddush called alul l'lirois. So meileh, shayach a three-day vest also, no? These three days, she's alul l'lirois, no? Who's saying this? Maybe the Noda B'Yehuda. Maybe the Noda B'Yehuda, maybe. I just think a chiddush. The Shach is saying, what are you talking about? We always go after the yom. What are you saying? I mean, how could you have three days? Either there's a yom vest. There's no such thing as three days. What is three days? I personally don't think it's real pashut pshat in the Shach, because the Shach says a different reason. He says we go after techilas. Notice the word techilas. It's a very key word over there. Not so much that we go after the yom, and therefore there's a yom, but rather we go after techilas. Doesn't matter how long she's... Let me ask you a question, and then I'm going to stop, because I don't want to fedre you a cup too much. What happens if a woman starts having kesamim earlier? You know what the halacha is? You know that it's a big discussion, right? Last night, halacha. I saw it 20 years ago last night, okay? 25 years ago last night. Tell the crowd what you saw last night. Go ahead, tell them what you saw. Tell them. Basically, come to ... like I already said. I will say what I said. Tell them. Explain to them. Okay, so someone come along and say this is not what ... It's not the ... it's not the ... it's early ... I was gonna say it's not really a veset, because something that came with no regilus, no hargasha, whatever, so therefore you don't have to be makpid on this day. Right. Meaning this, it's not kovea a yom with ksam, but if you say it's not a shayla about being kovea, but it's a shayla of what? Of techilas re'iyah, or if you could say it any better, when she's an alu liro'os, then we could start already from where? From the ksam. Moish's big chiddush. We start from the ksam. It's a tremendous chiddush from Moish. Huh? If she starts earlier, then the prishah starts from—it's a tremendous chiddush. Tremendous chiddush. Huh? That's usually weaker than us. That's only if she had a kesem, a כתם, only if she had a kesem followed by—I'm telling you.

He, Moshe says the three times, because then it becomes kavua that she needs this one. That's officially. Tchilas re'iyah. There's something called a techilas re'iyah in halacha. Very interesting yesod. Okay, bottom line is, I believe that if you learn what I taught you, and you do the pischi teshuva properly, and you do the shitas Avi Yosef, which was brought down in the ... which the Beis Yosef asks, which the drisha speaks about, the mareh mekomos I gave you yesterday, I gave them to you, right? You'll start getting a clearer picture: yom versus chashsh re'iyah. Yom versus chashsh re'iyah. Yom versus chashsh re'iyah. The mechaber is posek, it's a yom. Ein hasamuch lo. Remember I told you that the Rambam never said the word ein hasamuch lo. Never said it. The Rambam never used those words. What does he say? What does he say? Sheyefashshelu min sheisayem, samuch, only samuch. Next halacha. Okay, go bring me the Rambam. Go bring me the Rambam. Let me just tell you what I hold, l'maaseh. Ready? Ruvi, Ruvi, write down the following psak halacha. Ready? According to the shittas, yeah, like Noideh b'Yehuda, that there's a around, okay? If she sees kesamim and she bleeds from then, yeah, her prishah סמוך לווסת would be the entire time. From the kid. The whole time. No, because according to the Mechaber, especially according to the way the Shach learns, it's one day. And when? Tchilas re'iyah. Tchilas re'iyah is kovea the one day. From kid. Noideh b'Yehuda, it's shayach. So if she sees a few days, kesamim, so all those days become prishah סמוך לווסת. How do I know this? I don't. R' Moshe takes it on that it is, right? But I'm saying even in R' Moshe's chiddush, it's with the Shach. It's not with the Noideh b'Yehuda's havanah in the Rama. Now I want to tell you this nekudah and we'll stop. Listen carefully. Listen good. There's one key word, the way the Piskei Teshuvos brings the Noideh b'Yehuda, which is also very important, on the line. Does he say—again, does he say, let's be clear—that it's problem, or he calls it a type of vest? He calls it a type of vest. That's the truth. It's a certain type of vest. You notice he adds that. You want to read it again? Continue. Good. Good. Okay. Daniel, what do you say? I challenge you to look it up in the Nidah. See if that's what the Nidah uses, those words. It'd be interesting to see if the Nidah uses those words. Therefore, according to Nidah, you have a tremendous question. The Rambam is just talking vestes. What are you talking about? According to ... vestes over here? Mashenken, according to not Nidah, you know what he's teaching me? A tremendous yesod. He's teaching me סמוך לוסת, סמוך לוסת. According to the Chavas Daas, you know what he's teaching me? A moirdike yesod, that a woman can have two vestes. Meaning, in פירוש סמוך לוסת, וסת תוסי הם, even if she has more than one. שיפשו מן הששה סמוך לוסתן, in the plural. Chavas Daas, there's more of them. There's a lot of things going on. Right? It's hard for you to understand this Chavas Daas. That's not the...

My point is, it's true either way. That kointeh d'chavis daas, that's the chiddush. That there's a din of prishah סמוך לוסתן, no matter how many vestos she has. That's the chiddush. Read the Kovetz. Ay, you'll ask me, Ilan anyway she's going to see, so you have to worry. We're not talking about worry. We're talking about a din of vest and prishah סמוך לוסת. Kamashmalan the chavis daas, it could be two of them also. It could be more than one. What do you want to show me? I don't know what you're talking about. אסור לה is the first halacha. That's where he brings you the halacha. That's over zman, okay, that's something else, with over. The question is, what's the din? The din is אסור לאשה, לאסור לאדם, when? Not בעונה סמוך, but rather what? No. סמוך. You don't use the word עונה. There's no עונה. The word עונה is not סמוך. Okay. Now let me stop, because I gave you a lot, tons of stuff. Most of you have no idea what I'm talking about anyway, so it's irrelevant. So let me tell you what we're going to do. Listen carefully. It behooves you—it's a very fancy word in English—to do the Pischei תשובה. I don't care if you didn't understand what I said, but at least I made גשמאַק for you the Torah Shleimim, the Shach, the Taz, the Pischei תשובה, the different shitos, the נודע ביהודה and the Chavas Daas. You have to know that. If you don't know the maskanos, fine, I don't mind, but you got to know that, okay? So you'll know the Rama, you'll know the Shach, you'll know the Taz. There is a Taz, I think it's maybe in קפ״ט, you'll know the Taz. You'll know the Torah Shleimim, you'll know the Pischei תשובה, and then you'll know what you're talking about, okay? Good. Klor? And for all those which are giboirei koach lishmoa el orino v'latefillah, you'll pay attention to what I said. I told you beautiful yesoidos, just in Prisha Samach l'vast. Chash? So just hinting that this Rama is the big thing on the test Sunday? The Ramazah has to be on the test. I mean, the test is everything. Kuf pei gimmel and kuf pei daled, סעיף א', ב' and ג'. And you have to know just the information. You don't have to know any of my chiddushim or any of my toires. No, really, you don't have to know. Yes, Beis Yosef. So the main ones, the ones that are Beis Yosef and Tur, Bach, whatever's nogeia to ikkar. Zivah, not nogeia. I said it's irrelevant to me. It's totally irrelevant. It's not nogeia to me. What's a nogeia? And I also have a different cheshbon. That I know everybody did anyway. It's the beginning. So everybody did a thousand times. I want to see if you did past that. It's like the boxing, the base in the Gemara, ba metzia. Shnayim. I know everybody did the word shnayim. Even if a guy fell away by the word ochzin, he definitely did the word shnayim. Tofes shnayim b'echad, he definitely did the word shnayim. The question is if you got out of the box and you did the word ochzin. Dafka ochzin shnei... Hey, what time is it? Right after the Chumash, I'll give you the papers and, I don't know, listen. How the test, when the test, listen, you're not babies. I don't know. You speak to Rabbi Chaim. I can't even go there. I just write the information, you do what you want. What about the pages? It's not that true test, don't worry.