Hilchos Vestos: Veses HaDilug vs. Veses HaSirug, Three or Four Re’iyos, and Establishing a Cycle

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Also gimel pamim. You did zayin, right? Yeah. I'm doing fast, I'm sorry. Ches, tes, yud, yud aleph, yud beis, till yud gimmel. All right, so we'll do it together. Rasa gimel pamim b'gimel chadashim. Now why am I not doing zayin? Because I did it with you. The daled and the gimel, I did it with you. I don't want to do it again. That's it. I had enough, and it's grading again to ches, tes, yud also. Rasa gimel pamim b'gimel chadashim. She saw three times in three months. Dilug, jumping. Now I want to be medayek first. Notice it does not say, Rasa gimel pamim b'dilug b'gimel chadashim. Lo katuv, rabosai, sherata b'dilug b'gimel chadashim, ela rata b'gimel pamim b'gimel chadashim, b'dilug. Chad yagid li, someone's going to tell me, Yachol lihyos, yachol lihyos, aval ani ro'eh something. I see something. You know what I see? I see that this woman has a veset. It's not pshat היא מדלגת and the dilug is b'gimel chadashim, but Rasa gimel pamim b'gimel chadashim. She saw in three months, three periods, gimel pamim. The way she saw was b'dilug. In maskim? You weren't listening. Why not? What happened? Oh, okay. אני לא יכול להיות competition lashach. רצה ג' פעמים בגימל חדשים. So I want to be medayek, מה שנראה לי. Or nachon or lo nachon, I don't have enough to say the maskana of what I think, but מה שנראה לי, it's a re'iyah of ג' פעמים בגימל חדשים. It's a mamash re'ias veset kavua. אבל הצורה, הפרטים, the way it is is b'dilug. But it's not a re'ias dilug. It's a re'iyah של ג' פעמים בגימל חדשים, and the way it came out, the numbers, the numbers are b'dilug. Okay, just stop for a second. וחזרה, that she saw again, בעושה דילוגים עצמה. What does עצמה mean? Same ones. Yeah, but what is עצמה? עושה, עושה דילוגים, no? I mean, what is he stressing? Uh-huh. Those same dates. Yeah, but עושה דילוגים, those same dates. Dilug just means the difference between one date and the next. Saying as opposed to one, one. In other words, I definitely think he means that. In other words, it's a lo pshat dilug meshavim. Mamash oto yamim. I don't know. It's like slow. We didn't see anything about haflagot. L'mashal, we'll soon see. For example, let's do the mashal. Keitzad? Ra'asa tez-vav b'Nisan, tezayin b'Iyar, v'yud-zayin b'Sivan. So we have here Nisan, Iyar, and Sivan, but it's with a dilug, right? So the pshat is, it's not only that it was medaleg those numbers of days, but mamash dates. Now, would it be possible not those dates in the same dilug? Is it shayach? Michasar mali, you mean? No, she would have seen 19, 20, 21 next three months, and then 21, 22, 23. Times. In other words, you're talking about dilugim of times. Lafuke dilug mamash those dates. L'dilug, v'osim dilugim atzmam, they themselves. Okay. V'chazarah v'ra'asa b'osam dilugim atzmam. Im noga kein gimel pe'amim, harei ze veset kavua. Now what do I mean, noga kein? Im noga kein gimel pe'amim. Im noga kein gimel pe'amim. If she, noga kein, if she, she saw...

Like this three times. Is that the lashon that's supposed to be, naga kein? Rasa kein? Naga kein, I don't know. Up to her. Naga kein would seem like this is specific to her. Keep this in mind. I don't mean up to her, she's talui b'yadah. I don't mean that either. It's incorrect. Right. In other words, the lashon is not really—you're talking about re'iyah, and it's, I mean, it's not naga kein. It's— I mean, it happened like this. Why does he say naga kein? It's an interesting lashon. I want you to see this. You see, you have to see where I'm coming from. I don't want to sit there and tell you numbers, and then the pasuk said 14, the pasuk said 15. I can't learn with you like that, especially not Vestes. It's nothing. We're wasting time. You know what I mean? Vestes, you spend your life learning it, and then you'll get it to all the pratim straight. I want to hear it. I want to hear what we're saying here. We're saying something, okay? Within the number game, there's an interesting veset that's being nischadesh over here. And the reason why I'm saying this is because we're going to soon learn it's a machlokes if this is veses dilug or veses sirug. Machlokes haposkim if this case is called veses dilug, which is what we learned till now, or veses sirug. Why would it be sirug? Also in sirug, because she's jumping. There's a sirug going on at the same time that there's a dilug going on. All right? So we're going to discuss why maybe use the lashon naga kein. I have a feeling. You see, me and the mechaber— He became good friends in the beginning of Maseches Niddah, which means is, I take you serious. Take you serious, and I listen to you. I want to hear what you're telling me. You're talking to me. I want to know what you're telling me. I think he's telling me something. In noga kein gimel pa'amim, harei zeh veset kavua l'dilug chalilah. I like the lashon, dilug chalilah. What does dilug chalilah mean? To jump v'lachzor, to keep on jumping. Interesting lashon. He didn't say dilug, but he did say dilug, right? But it's an interesting dilug. It's dilug chalilah, a reappearing jumping, jumping in a keep-on circle, keeps on going in circle. Dilug chalilah. He didn't say sirug. He said dilug chalilah. Okay. So, keitzad? Tes-vav, tes-zayin, yud-zayin, chazar chalilah, v'rasa tes-vav, tamus, av, Elul, right? So here we have yud— so let's see what we have. Tes-zayin here— I'm sorry, tes-vav nisit, tes-zayin here, yud-zayin sivan. And then it goes again: tes-vav Tammuz, tes-zayin Av, and yud-zayin Elul. Then again, tes-vav Tishrei, tes-zayin Cheshvan, tes-kislev, kavua l'veset l'dilug chalilah. V'choysheshes l'olam tes-vav l'chodesh zeh, v'tes-zayin l'chodesh zeh, v'yud-zayin l'chodesh zeh. Okay. Now, let's discuss the following. Let's discuss the following. Let's discuss the following. What would happen if it's not a three-way, it's a two-way? Tes-vav, tes-zayin, tes-vav, tes-zayin, tes-vav, tes-zayin, tes-vav, tes-zayin. It's not a three-way business. Huh? What'd you say? Who and who? Shach and Taz? What do you say? Okay, so let's see the Shach. Let's see the Shach. It's the last line of Shach. One second. One second. This last line: Chei matchmil lehedya b'bach. Which line are you talking about? Chaf aleph? No, it's chaf, huh? Right, what? It's chaf aleph, right? V'cheisheshes tes-vav l'teves. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, tes-vav l'teves. Yeah, I said it.

What happens? I jumped the line. Okay, Chaf Aleph, tezvav l'Teves, tezayin l'Shvat. No, no, no. The what din? That's kavua. Tezvav b'Nisan, tezayin b'Iyar, tezvav b'Sivan. No, I need a two-day one. Oh, yeah, yeah, it is, the last line. Tezvav... yeah. Okay. So let's discuss this. Let's discuss this. What? Tezvav, tezayin, tezvav, tezayin, tezvav, tezayin. Wait a second. Tezvav, tezayin, tezvav, tezayin. Nachon? Okay. Now, let's understand: why would the mechaber not bring it? Why would the mechaber not bring it? I mean, why do you have to bring a case of three if it's emes that it's even by two, right? Yeah, you hear the case? He talks about a case that it's three times. If you could have a vest dilug with two, so why would you say a case of three? So what does it say? So what's the chiddush then? So why is it here? So let's see the Taz. Havei matzi leminkat b'kitz, ... tes-vav b'Sivan, tes-zayin b'Tammuz, tes-vav and tes-zayin, ... Go ahead. Tikra, tikra, tikra. Ken, ken, ken, ha-Taz, ela d'kamashma lan. So why don't you give that case? Give me the case of tes-vav, tes-zayin. Yeah? Kamashma lan, says the Taz, kamashma lan rabbusa. Afilu hu b'gimmel yamim, d'hainu to Taz, yud, azlinan basarei, v'chosheshes b'chodesh ha-shlishi b'yom... af al pi she'ein bein lei l'bein gimmel tes-vav, gimmel yamim. So what? So what? Kamashma lan, af al pi. So what? What's wrong if it has three days? Mara, im yesh shlosha yamim bein ha-yom ha-rishon l'yom ha-shlishi. Az mara. Lo katuv, lo katuv. Kamashma lan. Afilu im ad hu b'gimmel yamim... So what? Okay, nearly pashut. You have pshat? Could you read it? Yes, let him read it. Go ahead. Kamashma lan, kamashma lan. ... b'gimmel chadashim. Havei matzi leminkat b'kitzur. Does he maskir? Does he maskir? But why? It's a kamashma lan. Just says it, kamashma lan. Okay, yeah. הא הכא בחודש אלף בחמישה עשר בו, ובשני תתזיין בו, וכן לעולם. אלא דקמשמע לן ריבותא, אפילו אם הדילוג הוא בשלושה ימים. תזיין, יזיין, אז לינן בתרה וחוששת בחודש השלישי, ביום יזיין, אף על פי שיש בינו לבין יום תטו שני ימים. ממילא נדע אם הדילוג הוא ביותר משלושה ימים, דהיינו שראתה ארבע פעמים בארבעה חודשים, שלוש פעמים בדילוג, וגם כן אזלינן בתרה. אלא נקט שלוש פעמים, דבזה הוה שיעור שהוחזקה בו, וממילא הוא הדין ביותר מזה, כן נראה לי פשוט. Tell me, Rafi, you have a hesber why? Why would I think that? Sounds like he's saying you would think there's only a—you fluctuate only one day. Right. See, that's—he's talking about, see is the... I mean, that's what she fluctuates, so that's what she fluctuates. You see, the woman does that. That's what she does, no? And it's like a... You would think—not to think. Look at the calendar, you see it happens, so then it happens, no? You would think what? You would think that this woman...

Then is one. You don't have to worry about, but you do have to worry because it happens, so what's not to worry about? What's the kamashma? I hold it's a peldike zach. I hold it's a peldik. You want to know something? I hold the yesod of this halacha is in this little piece of Tosafos, the way the Taz understood this halacha. Okay. So let's repeat, let's repeat. Is the story that she saw a dilug within three months, or she saw three months and grada it was b'dilug? The dilug is grada. Yatza davar; it's Yiddish, yatza davar shezeh b'dilug. ... Okay. Second of all, noaga kein, noaga kein. What does that mean, noaga kein? That's the real—what, noag? ... What does the kamashmalan of the Taz? Oh, shamani yashar, עוד שאלה. How many re'iyos does this woman need to make her vest, whatever you call it, dilug chalilah? How many re'iyos do you need? Nine. Mashma nine? That's what it says here. It doesn't have anything to do with the machlokes of nine, which is really one before; the first one doesn't count. It doesn't have anything to do with that? Machlokes. That is true. I learned, b'chol pa'am shekatuv nine, תדע, ... אחר כך, אחר כך, ... להחמיר. Here too? Here too? Here too? Here too? Let me ask you a question. Huh? ... They say yes, they say yes. Yeah, the daled, right? You need daled. Okay. Let me come and ask you a great question. How is she—yeah, Rafi, you with me? How many—how is she kovea vest? How many times does she have to see? It's not three. It's actually three plus three plus three. Twelve, actually, right? Don't say twelve yet. Say, just say three. Nine. But which the first one doesn't count, so actually it's ten, right? Ten. Um, I would say maybe twelve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why not? If you learn, it has to do with haflagah, say twelve. Where is my mathematicians? I'm not smart enough to think of this. The placey asks for a kashya. Doesn't understand what you're talking about. If you hold like the Shach, it's not like the Shach says ten, the four re'iyos to make the first haflagah and then three times that haflagah. You would need an haflagah on three times to be kovea that haflagah. Haflagah is just two. Who told you this? Because it says so. Explain it to me. Why should it be that way? Lama yekacha? Because three times it happened. But you need a chazakah. No, but first it happened what? Four times it happened, right? Okay, so write this down. You said you wanted to play dates. Vest dilug, chalilah. Ten, right? Chalilah v'chas. Yeah? Do you have to keep it ten? Ten re'iyos? Actually, let's say like nine re'iyos. Maybe it's only nine. That's a machlokes. Some say nine. Say, because why? Because some say for this thing, it's not neged. Okay, so nine is good enough. Yesh omrim nine is good. Yesh omrim—ah, the Shach. Ten. Okay. יש ... במקומים. פול. Because each one needs. Yes. Are you with me? Yes, I am. Do you like the shiur? No. You don't like it? Tell me what you want. Yes, you with me? Huh? Does he bring the stam? He brings this... Huh? Okay. You'll see the stam. It's there, the place. It's a very good kasha. All right. Let's discuss what's called dilug. אתה שומע את השאלה? Or nine times, כתוב nine. And we know every time nine, nine actually means the first one doesn't count because you need... So then what about the gimel pe'amim? Does each one need daled? אבל איך אפשר לחשוב שזה לא יהיה ...? הרי במחלוקות, אם אני אגיד שזה ... אז הרי החודשים הם חסרים ומלאים, אז יכול להיות מצב שיש שני פלגות עם אותם ימים. אם החודש יהיה עשרים ותשעה... לא חשוב, העיקר שזה... הרי תמיד אחד יותר. דילוג של יום אחד יותר, אתה לא יכול...

No, it's shayach haflagos l'yom she'eino Shabbos. Yeah, shayach haflagos. כל הנושא פה של הדילוג זה שיש לי עשרים ותשע, שלושים, שלושים ואחד. עשרים ותשע, שלושים, שלושים ואחד, אז זה לא יוצא. אם אני אגיד שזה הולך על היום, אז זה יוצא. Oh, listen, Kim. This is the ... Onish. Ha'sugya פה זה דילוג, or ha'sugya פה זה סירוג? Is it dilug or sirug? If Yud-Beis, we're going to learn something called vest sirug. What about this? Is this vest sirug? It's a very good question. What's sirug? I'm not going to tell you what the word sirug means yet, because I hold that the yesod is when you know the word sirug. But before we know, the word sirug means to jump, okay? We'll figure out why the word sirug means to jump. Sirug means to jump, yeah? So is the taich she has three vestes here, or does she have one vest? When she jumps, right, Ches, Zayin, Yud-Zayin. So the pshat is, so she has a vest that every other month she sees Yud-Zayin, Tez-Zayin. Is it for the day? So it's three vestes? Is it three vestes, that on the first time she'll see on Yud-Zayin, the second time she'll see on Tes, or let's say Tez-Zayin, Yud-Zayin, Yud-Ches? Or the pshat is it's one vest. And then it just keeps on jumping, and you can have a veset that jumps by a month. But besirugin usually we don't see next month, right? What? That date. Besirugin, you don't see next month; it's like empty that month. The third month, so again, fourth month no, fifth yes. So what? So that's the deal. I see every month, just besirugin, dilugin. I understand. So now we're telling him, so maybe a chiddush, because it is sirugin. On the fifteenth she only sees every other month. Every other month. On the sixteenth she sees also every other month, but those empty months of the fifteenth. Right, so let's say she sees January, whatever, March and May. That's for the fifteenth. February, April, and June. Ilan, you with me? With me? With me? Nice, nice, interesting, huh? Maybe it's dilug besirugin. Huh? What? I know. That's the shaila. Okay, slowly, slowly, slowly. Okay, slow. You're going well in step two, fast, okay? So are we learning now, b'she'eilah zu, כבר דנו הפוסקים. זה כבר בפוסקים, יש ככה ויש ככה, זו שאלה ברח. The mekoros talk about it, okay. Now let me go back to the Taz. Taz talks about one, I would say three days not. Why not? What's three days not? If you learn it's dilug, how many vestos is it? One vest. If you learn it's sirug, it's three different vestos. Maybe, to come and say dilug. From one to three, and that it should jump every month, we don't say such a thing. That's not one vest. That means she's all over the place. You like it? It's a nice svara. I like it. I hold that's pshat in the... HaTaz mechadesh, Taz wants to be mechadesh, hata'ava mina, hata'ava mina, that if it's one, then the next two, and then the next three, and then it has to jump again and then skip again, that's something is wrong. That's called one vest. If she has one, then two, then three, and then it jumps, so that's not called one vest, because dilug needs it. For dilug, it has to be one vest. Hava amina, a three-day, it's lo litztaref, it's ze lo achad. Im haya sirug, lo haya afilu hava amina. Did you hear what I just said? Are you masking? Get up and say it to the people. Say it to the people. Get up and say it to the people. Ah, Iti choshev lechaber echad layom hashlishi.

Understand that it's no problem if it's only one time. But then you want the chalilah shebo, you want it to go here and repeat itself. And you want to say by the repetition of it, it's repeating in the same signon, that it should all be one, not from one to three. It can be off by a day and then it's called the same. But to be off by three days and then jump around like that and say that it's all one re'iya, that we don't say. Go ahead. No, no, no. Tagid ze bivchinat. Huh? Wake him up. Wake him up. Beat him up. Wake him up. Don't let him sleep, please. It's supposed to jump always the same interval. Antaidu same to me. Oh, okay. The Taz says the following: 15, 16, 16, 16. The maaseh says only a change of one day, just up or down, but it's one day, sof sof it's one day. Mashenkin if it's three days, it becomes 15, 16, 17, so it's going up, also goes down two days, again 15, 16, 17. We would say that's not called a pattern. That's called not normal. It means she's not healthy. I would say that's not called a veses, and there's no kvius. Yeah, it's being taken care of, a milshe. Hello? Yeah, a milshe, but I got it, I got it. Even this is considered to be a pattern, and you'll know who hadin four, five, six days the same way. 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and again 14, even though between 18, which was the previous month, to 14 is a big jump, and it's not shaveh to the previous dilugim, still it's called a veses. Tell me, it's not a beautiful pshat. I want you to know something. This was one of the hardest things for me. I don't know why. I didn't get it. I was... I did it last night. I did it this morning on the bus. I'm saying, chazering from what I remember. I don't have it clear, but I think I have it. I think I have something here. Something here is... Okay, so let's... בוא נעשה צביעה, okay? Now with this, I want to discuss with you: why is it that, let's say you would need three times three, nine, or maybe you need ten, or maybe you need twelve? Where is the machlokes? The machlokes. What would be the difference if it's a vest ha-siluk or vest ha-din, this chalilah? What's the difference? What would be the nafka mina? It's siluk. You don't have to do kovea each group of three separate. You don't need four for each. Siluk just means fifteen, three months later. You don't need the four, the whole four you don't need. If you hold dilug, then you need four, right? What about the last? What about the last four? I'm saying the last sets. Do you need four or three? Now what is the last sets for? What does it mean, last sets? Meaning, you had three, which is four, and then again it's the chalilah, it's coming back again. Is it three times or four times each one? Give me an example. Fifteen sets. Place. The placei she'eilah, you have to have eighteen. Four, three, or four, four, four? Is it four, three, three, or is it four, four, four? The place, he says you need four, four, four. Baruch Hashem, thank you for the sun. Thank you. Beautiful. Look, look, the sun came out. It was a horrible day. I was traveling. I was so depressed, and ... puts out this ... has to do with this taz. ... is happy with the pshat. ... ha-taz he'ir ... ha-tachoshev shem. Taz echad lo yachol leha'ir et kol ha'olam. ... Taz echad yachol leha'ir et kol ha'olam. One taz. You hear? Listen here. You're listening? The place, when it repeats itself, do you need the repetition to be kovea the sirug, or do you need the repetition not to be kovea the sirug, but to be a dilug? No, let me say it differently. Do you need—is the chalilah shebo the same, but it's chalilah? So the chalilah, meaning the pattern of it is what's kovea, then you need four. But if the three is just a—

לעשות את הקביעות על הימים שבו הפאטרן, שבו הווסת. אז בוא נגיד עוד פעם. I see you're not happy. You're happy a little bit with what I'm saying, but I'm getting there one more time. When you need the ג' פעמים, the word חלילה, what does it mean? Is the word חלילה that it's a veset? That is the veset, that it works in circles? Or the ג' פעמים is not a part of the veset? The ג' פעמים is לקבוע את הווסת. אתה מתכוון עם שלושת אלה זה וסת אחד או שלוש מוסתות שקבעו וסת? לא, בוא נגיד את זה ככה. זה שיש קביעות לווסת, כן, וזה חוזר וחוזר וחוזר וחוזר, אז החזרה, this that it repeats itself, it's part of the veset? It's part of her cycle? Or it's לקבוע שמשהו, זה דילגה, זה לא היה סתם... It's like a dilution. It's not real veset. It happens. It's not like fluke or something. It's part of this. But the veset already was from before. The veset is from... Could you say it over, Rabbi? I'm going to say it over the way I understand it. Okay, so get up and say it over the way you understand it. Say get up and say it. It's good, it's good. This is my mind. You're gonna learn my mind in these sugyas. My mind, my mind is working in these sugyas. Go ahead, yeah? Does he say that it repeats itself three times? Is he saying that the pattern is over on the first batch? Yes. You know, you know. You have to check. He'll say it over one more time. Go, go, go, fist, fist, fist. Get it to start. When the mechaber says that it goes fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and then repeats, what does he mean to say, repeats? Repeats means the pattern is finished. This is the veset, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. It just happens to be this is gonna start over again. It means now the veset is starting over again. Four, four times. So then you need four times. For the first time. Just like the first veset, you need four times. Yeah, and that was— The already repeated. No, that's the other way of saying it. The first way to say it is that to show me that this is her veset, so it's got to be the same thing over and over again. So it's a chimarpa for that, because that is the veset. So you need the arba vesetot. Yeah, go ahead. If you say that gimel is not to say that the veset was repeated itself, you say that this is the pattern. The pattern is fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, three times. It's not a repetition. In other words, he's using the lashon repetition only because it's easier to write that. That's right. It's actually the pattern itself. She saw only the first three months; she hasn't finished seeing her entire veset. Right. Right. Rabbi, is it still all in dilug machlokes, or do you say it's a seirug in dilug machlokes? I'm not holding it yet. I'm not 100% sure. That's what you're asking me, I'm not sure. That's why I don't want to go there yet. I don't know. That was the next thing that was going through my mind on the bus. I'm not sure. But I'll tell you what I am sure. I want to know if her veset is takas nine months worth. In other words, maybe the whole nine months is one vest. In other words, you're supposed to say, is this a repeating vest every three months, or this is a nine-month... Oh, basically, look, what's an akirah for nine times or only four times? I don't know. I don't know what the akirah... I wasn't sure what the akirah would be. I don't know. Because you have to be oker for nine months, you mean? I don't know. I don't know. I was clarifying this. How are you going to be oker this? Nine months. Three months. Bechor, three is the very... I think three years is the akirah. For the old one. No, depends what's the vest. Basically, vest only four times, only four times. Because... Is the first page Beis Aaron? That's what the first page came out? I'm saying the front cover? On that, three... three months. No, why is it one-off? Just one cycle. Oh, I always thought that the number three, three re'iyot which are diverting from the...

That breaks the chazakah, so you don't need three cycles of it. Depends what you call, depends normally what it is. If it's three, so you don't need—so all you need is three of, I'm saying three, not that one. Depends what's the vest. But if you learn that the vest is a chalilahdike vest, then maybe you need nine. I don't know why you don't need nine. Ooh, some good, I didn't know this. I was claring it on the bus. Tell him nine. Show him. I don't want to see this. I don't want to do this on my head. Go ahead, nu. I wasn't sure. Iy li safek b'zeh, how many times? Maybe you need nine to get rid of it. Ulay tzrichin od. The same way it was nikva, that's how you have to undo it. Because if you learn that it's the— that's the vest, I mean it's not the vest, it's just to be kovea the vest, so you need haflagos. I understand, but you'll need four on every Yom HaChodesh, that if you hold it, you need four. So in order to be kovea, you need the same haflagah. I'm saying, if you learn that this is her vest of such haflagah, so then you would have to have four, four, four and four. But if it's just to say gimel pe'amim that these numbers happen, so three is also good enough. In order to be kovea a vest dilug, you need four, and the dilug is nine months worth because it keeps on going in chalilah, so then you would need four, four, four and four. But if it's just to tell me that these numbers are going to happen again. Then you don't need it. Now, let's go further. Let's go further. Yeah, good, good. Next sif. Rasa b'echad b'Nisan. That's it. Rasa b'echad b'Nisan. Saw b'echad b'Nisan, u'be'echad b'Sivan, u'be'echad b'Av. I love this. Rasa b'echad b'Nisan, u'be'echad b'Sivan, u'be'echad b'Av. Echad Nisan. So ear is gone. Sivan. Tammuz is gone. Kabalah, eser chodesh l'dilugim. Chodesh l'dilugim. Aval rasa b'echad b'Nisan, u'be'echad b'Ir, u'be'echad b'Tammuz, u'be'echad b'Sivan, lo rasa. She didn't see. So meileh lo kavlah veses. So she skipped, right? Meaning, it jumped, but she missed one. Jump, but she missed one. So why can't you be kovea taka that? But that's... She always go two months, skip and one. Two months, skip one. Right. What's wrong with that? Why can't—what's wrong with that? Huh? No, she did. No, she did. Aval rasa b'echad b'Nisan, u'be'echad b'Ir, u'be'echad b'Tammuz. So Nisan, Ir—she skipped Tammuz. Right. So it's not a pattern. Meaning what? That in case it happens all the time, like it's not going to help you anything. No, no, that's what it means. There's no dilug, no. Silug, it doesn't work. If you want to give it a vest dilug, chalilah, it has to have a pattern of a month with a month, or two months and two months, but not two, after one month and skip. It doesn't make a difference. It won't be this vest silug. Okay, give them time to see the shach and taz, but that's the story. All right, you want to look, go look, go look, because you're not going to believe one word I say if you don't look. Huh? Oh, it's not shov. One month. So why? That's the kasha. Zeh mah she'ani sho'el. A hundred percent, let it be a pattern of skipping one month. And why did they call it dilug in the beginning? Because she was medaleg, she skipped a month. It's not dilug, she skipped a month. She missed one month. Right. So that's called dilug. That's dilug b'sirug, that's the question. That's what I was telling you. How we look at this as dilugim, or do we look at this as sirugim? We'll soon see, we'll soon see. Vest ha-sirug is in the next one. We'll soon see.

Yud beis. Ves taziruk. Mashma till there, it's not ves taziruk, right? Pashut till yud gimmel, there's no ves taziruk, right? So then it should be sirug, right? But it's funny that it's not called. Something's not right here, right? Okay, we'll soon see. Let's continue. There's no problem. Tet is a sirug. Huh? Tet is a sirug. I understand tet is a sirug, but it's not called sirug. Lidilugim. He doesn't call. I mean, sirug starts at yud gimmel. I understand that it is, but for some reason till yud beis we don't hear the word ves taziruk. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's interesting that all these halachas could be going under the heading of dilug, or they could be going under the heading of sirug. No? Sirug we don't see till yud beis. We don't see anything about sirug till yud beis. What's the pshat? Okay. So let's see weiter. So you see the case that she skipped. It was normal, and then she skipped. So I have a shayla for you. Let it be kovea, a ves like that, right? And then one she'll skip, and then it'll go further. Why not? So I want to tie in. That the pshat's like this. If you learn that there's a kvius in the yamim, so it's very good. Why not? Let's be kovea. But if you learn that this is her vest, so the problem is, in her vest, you can't have a vest that's not with a pattern. There's no pattern. Right. So where is her vest, though? No, you're missing my point. If the taich is that she misses one month, so the pshat is she's a woman that sees, instead of monthly, she's two months. To come and say that she's a woman that doesn't see monthly, but she sees monthly, because she saw monthly, so ela mai, she skips. So that's not called a vest. If you learn that the vest is in the yamim, then eino chanami, so there's a yamim, you can work out the yamim. But if the pshat is that it has to be hakol vest echad, so there's a stira between the beginning and the end of the vest; it can't be a vest. כן. הסוף מראה שיש סתירה בין התחלה והסוף, אז זה לא בסדר. See, I want a tiny yesod. You hear, Ilan? Every vest could work with the yom, or it could work—he says this, he says this sevara. He just says that it's not fun the rishonim, that's why, because not b'shavah. The rishonim's sevara has to be b'shavah. That's the kasha that they ask. That's one of the kashas they ask. It can't be dilug, because it's not b'shavah. So I'm taining a vort: if it's sirug, you won't need shavah. If it's dilug, you need shavah. If it's dilug. Then you don't need shov. What do I mean you don't need shov? You need shov in hilchos dilug. The shaila is, do you need shov in hilchos sirug? So this is a case where it's not shov in hilchos sirug, right? Are you maskim that in hilchos dilug you need shov? Right. You can jump days, but you can't jump months. For dilug, do you need shov? For dilug, you don't need shov? Right, but you don't need—I'm saying. Right, right. But for sirug, do you need it? From here is mashma you need it. Why? Because I'm going to prove to you that sirug is a vest. It's not pshat it's a kvius vest. It's not pshat it's days when she'll see. It is her vest. You can't have a vest where you show that one month is this way and the next month is the opposite. That's not called a vest. Listen to me carefully. I'm teaching you a yesod which is 100% true. I told you this. Some vestes is when it could be.

And some vestes is her cycle. I hold that sirug is a cycle. Dilug is yom lachshish, the day that you should be choshesh, when it's b'sirugim, when it's not in order. What is a dilug? I'll give you an example. Does dilug have to have a pshat? Does it have to make sense, the dilug? Some say yeah, right? Because some say it has to be pshat. Does sirug have to have a pshat? I hold not. Sirug does not have to have a pshat. It doesn't have to have a pattern. But where you have stirah in the pattern, that itself is soiser, and because it isn't her vest. I'm saying a moirdige vort. Listen to me again one more time, you hear? Where it's toli in her vest, so vest might need a pattern. Could be it needs a pattern, could be it doesn't need a pattern, because it has to maybe be a vest, her cycle. The word cycle itself means that she sees. She's not sick. It's a normal derech of this isha. Sirug. It's not her cycle. Sirug is yamim she'ro'ah, days that she's going to see. Sirug, because it's not her cycle, because it's not her cycle. So what makes it her cycle? The fact that she sees it. So if she sees stiradic things in that cycle, it won't work. One more time. Raffi, get ready to say it over. You know what dilug is? Dilug is—huh? It's gevaldig a vort, no? Dilug is the taich, it's a cycle, all right? And it jumps. Okay, so her cycle jumps, fine. When you want to talk about one dilug, the Taz even has a chiddush that maybe it has to shtim. Okay. Sirug doesn't have to shtim. Sirug doesn't have to be shaveh. Why? Because it's not about her cycle. But because it's not about her cycle, to make it her cycle, it has to have by her that it makes sense. So for her to have this and then to turn around and miss one, it breaks up the sirug. First of all, does anybody know what the word sirug means? The Shach in Yud-Gimmel says, you know what sirug means? She's not like any other woman. Oh, it's such a gevaldige vort. Ma ze sirug? No. Dilug means medaleg. Sirug is back and forth. That's not what the Shach says. Right, read the Shach. Yeah, so take out the line that he says that the word sirug means, yeah? The word—how do I know? Reb Akiva Eiger, in the beginning, in Kuf Pei Tes, se'if beis, says he doesn't know what's bothering the Shach with the word sirug. What's bothering him? Go look at Reb Akiva Eiger. Reb Akiva Eiger in Kuf Pei Tes, se'if beis. Shach is sirug. He's a little nervous about the word sirug. Nun tet, nun tet, yeah. Okay, so he's going back on that Shach. Let me tell you what the Shach— You'll look at Yud Gimel. We're going to learn Yud Gimel. Yud Gimel is about vest ha-sirug. What is vest ha-sirug? That this woman is sarug, is not regular. She's different than most women.

So could you take a woman who's not regular — that's what it means, not regular — and tell her that she's regular? Because that's what vest asiru means. We're taking a woman who's not regular and telling her, There's such a thing called a vest that you're regular. So you know what makes her regular? The fact that she sees it regularly. So if she comes and has it irregular in her regular, that's not called a vest. I'll tell you two nafkaminas. You ready? What happens if she saw one time, two times a vest asiru? Does she have to be choshesh for the seirug until it's not kavua? No. What happens is what? Vest asiru ad shetikva. Chosheshin? Lo chosheshin. Vest hadilug. What? ... Aino what? What about yom? Forget about dilug. And what is seirug? I know you're not choshesh, but what's the story with seirug? Skip a month. Yes, skipping the month. No, you skip one month, you don't have to be choshesh. The next month I'll also skip and I'll be... It's not shchiach. Why not? Why do you say it's not shchiach? That's the Seder Taharah. The Seder Taharah comes along and says, since it's not shchiach... In se'if, what was? Yud alef or yud beis. Look at the Seder Taharah. In yud alef or yud beis, he says this word, that you don't have to be choshesh like normal cases. Why? Only because what? You hear the question? Ha'im beveses asiru tzrichim lachshosh? Are you a bachur? What are you, a bachur? First of all, it's a he. He. And he is married? He's married? ... ul'ma'asim tovim, uliyeshivat ohel simchah. ... עכשיו אתה פה... They're good, they're good. The Teimanim are good. They talk. They're smart. Teimanim are smart. They're good, they're good. Tough, tough. Me'od me'od kashe lihyot... kashim, נכון? Teimanim kashim, aval... ... Rambam, they're good, they're good. What do you want? What do you want? You're saying it over? You're saying it over the Sifri Taharah? No, I'm just thinking, by ... name, sirug, you have to be choshesh. He says, you don't. No, sirug you don't. I know you don't. Sirug you have to be choshesh. No, you don't. That's the next halachah. It's a pirush in halachah. Here. Veses ha-sirug, reishonah min ha-minyan, l'divrei ha... af al pi shechikrah, ... veses b'techilah, shavah l'dilug, she'eino choshesh... ... k'ein ha-flugah rishonah, ... sirug yinat chodesh. That's yud beis. Says the Seder Taharah, you know why? Says the Baal HaNefesh L'Ravid I saw last night, givaldig. He says, you know why? Because the second one is mevatel the first one. Which second one? Let's say, kol zman she's not nikva, right? First, first, first. The son is here, right? Right. Maybe the veses hasiruv jumping over one month. Right. So the second month is mevatel the first month. That's what he says. He says, kol zman it's not nikva, the second month is mevatel the first month. You skipped. No, you skipped. You skipped. Nisan and Sivan. Right. You don't have to be choshesh shetamus. He says, you do have to. Why? Because it's nisbatel. What was nisbatel? Because Iyar came and said, Don't worry about it. Iyar came and said, Don't worry about Nisan. I asked, Why not? Why? And the teretz is because she is irregular. Veses hasiruv, I hold, is the veses of an irregular woman. You hear what I'm telling you? You hear? Veses hasiruv is not regular.

It's irregular. The first pshat is not shchiach, so the chachamim said, Don't worry about it. That's a sidrei Torah. The baal nefesh l'haraivet. Valdik, valdik. I saw it last night. I hold it's mamash what I just said. V'essa sir mi shehi irregular. We're gonna try to regulate an irregular woman. Kol zman there's no kvius in her irregularity, there's nothing to talk about, because she is irregular. An irregular woman has nothing to worry about, anything. The only thing that you want to work with the woman is to find a pattern in her pattern. Wait a second, but she's showing a stirah in her pattern. Till we're able to show that she doesn't have a stirah, which is by gimel pa'amim. If she does what, jumping thing? One month, next month, and two months later, then again one month, next month, two months later. Nothing. She does that nine times, whatever time that it takes. No, because there's no pattern. That's the whole part. That's the pattern, a chalilah. No, but that's the var, because it isn't a pattern. It's not shavah b'shavah. It's not a pattern. Once more, the ... you hear? The month in between comes along and says, Guess what? Ata teivanta? ... L'mashal, im yesh two times, right? Vadai lo nikva. Chosheshim tamid l'ma shera'ita, chosheshim b'pa'am haba l'ma shera'ita. Im ze lo yavo, אז נתבטל. Aval chosheshim. B'vest ha-sirug ad gimel lo chosheshim shum davar. Lama lo? Ha-sidrei Torah אומר, זה סיפור לא שכיח. Lo shachiach. It's not common, okay? Not common. Meila lo chosheshim. Maybe veses Rabbanan, Rabbanan lo gazru, mistama he means. He's explaining the ishchich yoser, but he's telling that she's sick, basically. Yeah, that's what he's saying. I don't know, don't worry about it. In the beginning, batchalah, each non-pattern contradicts what she saw. Ma shelo ra'ata pa'am echad, ze stirah lema sheken ra'ata pa'am echad. Az kol zman she'ein shlosha pe'amim kacha, ad sheyecholim limtzo kviut betoch ha'iri kviut, az ein afilu mah ledaber. There's nothing to talk. Ein klum. Vest ha'sirug means vest shel isha — the word sirug, the Shach tells me, means she'ein lah bichlal peter, aval yesh peter betoch isha she'ein lah peter. Huh? It's gevald. Now, what do I want with this? And deal looks the opposite. Fifteen, six, and eighteen, thirty times is going to be... That's right. Even though you skipped a day. That's right. Because it's a deal. Because hop on is deal with pattern. It's pattern. The whole deal is that's jumping of a pattern. It's a pattern. Mashenki, this is the pattern within a non-pattern. No, you're not masking? You hear it? Okay. Let's go back now to the Shulchan Aruch. Ra'asa gimel pa'amim b'gimel chadashim. Ra'asa gimel pa'amim b'gimel chadashim, but she saw it b'dilug. So she saw in three months. I asked you, did she see dilug in three months, or did she see three months and she saw it b'dilug? Again, did she see three months, but she saw three months and the way she saw it was b'dilug, or she saw it three months b'dilug? What? He says the case is she saw this שנה סיוון. Ra'asa gimel pa'amim b'gimel chadashim, b'dilug, which means she saw Tez-vav b'Nisan, Tezayin b'Iyar, Yud-Zayin b'Sivan. So if this is dilug, so this is dilug, so this is her pattern. So then she saw b'dilug in gimel chadashim. That's how she saw it. But if the pshat is she saw b'sirug, we look at this as a vest ha'sirug. So the pshat is ra'asa gimel pa'amim...

The gimel chadashim, and granted the pattern is b'dilug. It's a machlokes, I told you, it's a machlokes if you learn that this is dilug a sirug. So if you learn it's dilug, depshat is that that's her re'iyah. Her re'iyah is a re'iyah's dilug. Sirug is the other way around. It's not a re'iyah. It's not her cycle, let's say. It's not a cycle. What it is is she saw b'gimel chadashim. But the dilug of it shows me a pattern. Is the dilug the cycle, or is the dilug what I'm going to use to show me the pattern of a woman who has no cycle? Rasa gimel pa'amim b'gimel chadashim. So what are we going to learn? Rasa gimel pa'amim bishmoneh chodesh, b'chamesh, b'sheish chadashim. But how did she see it? She saw it b'dilug. So the dilug becomes the pattern. V'chazrah v'rasah b'osan dilugim atzman, so she saw it in those dilugim, nimnoga kein. You see the lashon? It's about how she sees. It's her nohag. Her way of seeing is going to tell me what her veses is. Harei ze veses kavua l'dilug. What, dilug, dilug chalilah. You want to see what I'm saying? Let me say it again. If a woman has a dilug of gimel chadashim, right, a certain dilug, so the gimel chadashim is really irrelevant. Ha-gimel chadashim lo shayach la-dilug shelah, because it has to do with— If you talk about dilugim, right, so the gimel chadashim is not negeiah. Ra'asa gimel pa'amim b'dilug, v'chazra v'ra'asa b'osam dilugim atzmam. What is the gimel chadashim? The gimel chadashim is not relevant. You know where the gimel chadashim is relevant? If it's month by month, month by every two months, month by every three months. If the idea is the dilugim sheboi, so what does that have to do with ra'asa gimel pa'amim b'gimel chadashim? B'dilug. It's not about the chadashim. The chadashim is not negeia anything. It has to do with the chadashim, the siyug of it. She saw in three months, not about her veset and her cycle. We find a pattern of chodesh, and the chodesh is grabbed by the dilug. If there's such a thing called Yom HaChodesh, right, so it has to do with ra'asa gimel pa'amim b'chodesh and grabbed by to yom. It's that day. It has nothing to do with the chodesh. Chodesh is irrelevant, really. This is about her cycles of seeing, as far as the chodesh is concerned. How many re'iyos does she have? And the answer is three in three months. There's three re'iyos in three months. Soon we're going to learn there's three re'iyos in six months. It's about sirug. The dilug is not her cycle. The dilug is how are we going to be kovea when her re'iyos are. Let me say it one more time. Yeah, you have to check. You have to check for the second batch. Huh? I'll say it again. I'll stop, I'll stop. For sirug becomes a cycle, and for dilug becomes pattern. According to what you're saying. The opposite. Dilug is a cycle. Sirug is a pattern in itself. By same cycle, what? Kvisa veses? What do you mean by cycle, or just the pattern which happens to be? Yeah, let me say, I show you. Let me say, tishma, tishma, od pa'am, I'm going to give this in Hebrew. Listen carefully. You know what dilug means? Dilug means that this—

This woman will see every Yud Beis l'Chodesh, right? She sees every Yud Beis l'Chodesh. So it's not about the chodesh. It's not about that she happens to have her monthly then. It happens to be that Yud Beis she sees. Dilug is a little bit different. You know what dilug is? Dilug is that this is her cycle, which we spoke about. Remember we spoke, is it her cycle, or it's the yom that we have to be choshesh that she'll come to see? What is sirug? I'm defining sirug is not about her cycle. Sirug is to find the pattern when she'll see, like Yom HaChodesh. So therefore he doesn't say it, asa gimel pa'amim b'dilug. It's asa b'gimel chadashim. So now, first of all, that's the first pattern that we have. And then we have a dilug. So how is there a chodesh and a dilug? Dilug isn't a pattern, right? And the answer is, dilug chalila becomes a pattern. If it's for the dilug itself to show us every woman has a cycle, right? So the dilug shows me what the woman's cycle is. Over here, we're not discussing her cycle. We're discussing to find the pattern, to find the mahalach, calculate a pattern within this isha, right? Dilug tells me matai veses ha'isha. Sirug. You know what Sefirot tells me? A pattern to figure out when she'll see. A pattern to figure out when she'll see. So therefore, ... b'gimmel pe'amim, b'gimmel chadashim, b'dilug. It's not about the dilug. The dilug is what's going to help me pattern the woman who saw b'gimmel chadashim. And that's why he uses a lashon, im nahagah kein gimmel pe'amim. Her minhag, im nahagah, lo b'zeh veses shelah, aval zeh hanihug shelah. It's a woman who doesn't have a veses, but she has a minhag when to see. I didn't say that. That's a pshat. It's a machlokes haposkim how to learn up this halacha. The way, if you learn that it's veses dilug, then everything's beautiful. Tell me, I don't remember the names. Who says veses dilug and who says veses... in this halacha? No, no, take the... There's two de'os in how to learn this. There's two de'os how to learn this halacha. No, no, no. One de'ah is that this is called veses dilug, and one de'ah that it's... and the nafka mina would be if you need three or four. It's too much. If you learn that it's, let's what you call it, if you learn that lotzichim arba. Because not a vesta dilug; it's only a vesta sirug. It's machloikes. The machloikes hapoiskim איך ללמוד פה. אם זה בדלת או זה בגימל. אם זה בגימל, it's because it's not vesta dilug; dilug tamid tzarich daled. Ploni is learning that it's dilug. Aye, why do I need daled, gimel, peh, daled? Because since it's dilug, since it's dilug, since her cycle—so you're making a dilug with a sirug her cycle—then the cycle has to be four, four, four. In a sirug? If you learn that this is dilug, so then you would need—because that dilug is her cycle—so then the cycle has to be three times the same. Again, if you need it for the yom, all you need is a chazakah, so gimel would be good enough to get it. You don't need four times. That's the vort I'm אומר. זה החידוש. You with me? Okay? Okay, we're gonna stop over here, but this is the chiddush I'm gonna say: if you learn that this is vesta dilug— Okay, okay, very good. Who just walked in? Tell him we'll pay him for it. You told him it's for me? He didn't ask me. Okay. Are you making copies? I have to put it printed. I have to print it out. I thought it's printed in three days, he said. It will be printed. I want to check it.

When I have no choice. Did you probably already— No, you ready? I know it, I did it. Huh? I thought it was making. But do the typing first. Okay. Machshav, machshav, machshav. Seder? Yesh od baya. Tatchil l'hagid lo musar, v'tatchil l'hagid lecha... Okay, let's finalize, you hear? Rafi, let's finalize. If you learn that this is vest hadilug, yeah? So dilug means it's her cycle. So meila says the kreisi u'pleisi, gevaldik. So the gimel pe'amim is going to need daled, because that's the cycle. You want to make three times this cycle, so then you need gimel pe'amim. But if you're going to learn that it's just to be made to find the pattern in the isha, so either you can learn that you don't even bichlal need daled; gimel is good enough. Or you could come and say even if you need daled, but the gimel shebah is linhog. It's just to make hanhaga that it's three times, like a chazakah. That's the machlokes. Good, yeah? Yud gimel. We're starting Yud gimel, mitzvashem, Thursday.