Hilchos Hefsek Taharah: Establishing Taharah, Bedikah, and the Role of Moch Dachuk

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Interesting lashon, huh? Interesting lashon. Din levishas halibun u'bedikaso. I mean, the bedikas has to do with levishas halibun. So interesting. It has to have sitaira, no? Bedikas is about levishas. It's like a chelek of levishas halibun. That's interesting. Nice idea. Okay, diyuk number one. Shivas yamim shezavah sefeirah, maschilin machzas yom shepaskah boi. So I'm not going to get into the shivas yamim shezavah, because today we're all, even though it's not zivah, we were machmir as if it's zivah. I don't want to get into that. But what's the yom shepaskah boi? Kach mishpatah. Interesting lashon, kach mishpatah. Tiretz: yom gimel, that means lafukei one, because if it would be one, so that would be oso yom. That day she can't be mafsik b'taharah if it's one day, right? Whatever, but it's not here. In other words, it's a different halacha. Anyways, u'paskah milirois b'dekas b'yom shepaskah, k'dei shetifsak v'tehorah. In order she should be nifsekes v'tehorah, bedikasah tehei סמוך לבין השמשות. And then there's another halacha: lo olam yilmad adam l'inyan moch dachuk. Notice that he brings the inyan of moch dachuk together with hefsek taharah. It's one halacha. We'll discuss this. I have a lot of Torah about it. Is moch dachuk and hefsek taharah one together, or can be separate? That's the question. Is it one din or is it two dinim? I always understood it as two dinim from the Shulchan Aruch's mashma. That it's what? It's one din, bechayr. You see that it's one seif, so it's got to be a hemshech. I mean, you see, otherwise—what do you mean? I mean, otherwise you say it should have a hefsek, and then in beis you should start talking about moich dachuk. I don't know, it's a separate thing, no? If you're saying one din, what do you mean by one din? I didn't say anything yet. All I said was that they're connected. What I mean is that we'll learn, when we talk about moich in the next shiur—we're talking about not today. But I just want to show you the reading. You have to read. So the first thing in the reading is the lashon of the Mechaber is very interesting: דין לבישת הליבון ובדיקתה. I thought the bedikos have to do with hefsek taharah, with the yamim, the shivah nekiyim. Mashma it has to do with levishas ha-libun. Interesting. I mean, I have a pshat, but let's first just learn a little bit, get a little more information. Al kol panim, there's a halacha called hefsek taharah, kedei shetifsok b'taharah, and that becomes its name. Kedei shetifsok b'taharah is not only the action, the verb, but it's also the noun. Kedei shetifsok b'taharah becomes the name of the action. And then there's an ענין of dochuk, which l'choira seems to be together, put in the same halacha as the hefsek taharah. Now, l'chora, dafregt a shaila: kol haTorah kula, there's a halacha called mikzas hayom k'kulo. So why isn't there a halacha over here of mikzas hayom k'kulo? Why do you need that it should be complete? What's wrong if mikzas hayom was b'taharah and then you have that day? The first day, day one, should be she saw in the morning, okay, but that's only in the morning. Most of the day was clean, and the truth is, you don't even need most of the day. First of all, there's two halachos. There's mikzas hayom k'kulo, and there's rov. What happens if it's rov, right? Why is it that the shivah nekiyim is the taich? It must be complete, complete shivah nekiyim. We're going to learn that even if she didn't see that day at all, even if she didn't see that day at all, you'll do this in a few minutes. Pedro, Pedro, soon, later, soon. Okay, okay. If you notice, we're going to learn that b'etzem it doesn't even have to be that she bled that day. Even if she bled the night before, it already rooms it that it's not complete the day. The taharah, even from the morning to the night she's tahor, it's still not enough. Then we're going to learn even more, right? The din of hefsek taharah. What is the din of hefsek taharah? Do you know what the reason for hefsek taharah is? What's the yesod of the halacha? It's very simple. In case one minute she bled into the next day, right? In case one minute—

Then she bled into the next one minute. So already it ruins the day b'taharah. So we're not even talking about that she bled in the morning. You know what? Let's break it up. It's not only she bled after Mincha and some of the day, mikzas hayom was b'taharah, that we don't see mikzas hayom k'kulo. Not only if she bled in the morning only and the whole day, rov of the day was b'taharah, and that's no good. Not only if she bled the night before and the whole day was b'taharah, also no good, because from the night before already. Not only the night before, but even if it's one minute, one minute after bein hashmashos finished, over, one minute, 99.9 percent of the day was b'taharah, it's already no good. Lost one day. Why? What happened to all the klalim of mikzas hayom k'kulo and so on and so forth? Okay. R' Yosef already says that the chiddush over here is that we don't see mikzas hayom k'kulo. Okay. Let me ask you further: is the hefsek taharah to know that she's not bleeding in the next day, or the hefsek taharah is to know that the day before it ended? Which one is it for? Is it for the next day that it's not bleeding, or is it for the day before that she stopped? Now the word hefsek—right, hefsek means stop. B'taharah means the cutoff time was b'taharah. That's not the point. The point is that the hefsek should be b'taharah. The opposite. It should be that the next day was a betulah. It's not so much, it's not so much hefsek that, right? Kedei shetifsok b'taharah. I mean, the wording is also a very complicated word, but I guess it means shetifsok, which means there should be a stop. Oh, pause. Now she's tah... okay, now we can start. It's not what it is. It's that the shivah nekiyim have to be shivah nekiyim, no? Or is there halacha of hefsek taharah? Clean, okay, now we can start. Which one is it? Okay. So let's discuss in today's shiur a little bit, a few minutes. Let's discuss, rabosai, is hefsek taharah de'oraisa, or is hefsek taharah de'rabbanan? Machlokes. Machlokes Acharonim, poskim, safek de'oraisa, big tumult in the poskim, if it is de'oraisa or it's de'rabbanan. Okay. If you learn if de'oraisa, then it's more chamur. If it's de'rabbanan, then it's even less, right? It's less of a din. It's not as chamur. Nafka minas, we can think of a few. The first nafka mina is safek. Let's say she's not sure on the hefsek taharah if it was done at the right time. She's mesupek, it's the time, one minute before, the kids are screaming, yelling, yeah? So the poskim say it's the talui. If you hold it's de'oraisa, then it's more chamur, safek de'oraisa l'chumra. If you hold it's de'rabbanan, then safek de'rabbanan l'kula. Another thing which I would like to add, let's say the mar itself is a safek. It's a very borderline, very iffy, very not. Could you come and say, Ah, since it's only derabbanan, since it's only derabbanan, you makele. It's no different than Shabbos dikus. Maybe we could say like this: hefsek taharah bichlal not a regular bedikah. It's not like a regular bedikah to check. It's to be mafsik b'taharah. It's something completely different. Every bedikah is to check to make sure she's not bleeding. This is to be mafsik. It's to find taharah or to find no tumah. No tumah, exactly. Is it to find taharah or is it to find no tumah? Most bedikos is to find no tumah, right? To make sure she's not bleeding. This might be more. This might be to verify taharah. I'll give you an example. By bedikas chametz, I gave you many times this mashal, and I like it. I think it's a beautiful mashal. Tell me, do you have any chametz in your house when you make bedikas chametz? No, usually not. Unless you have to grow, whatever, okay, ten pieces. But pashtus you don't have.

So what's bedikas chametz? And the teretz is, it's not so much to make sure you don't have, right? It's to what? To be mafsik b'taharah, to establish, to make clear. What is a birur that there isn't, and one is a—what's the word I'm looking for?—a chazakah, a stamp, that it's clean, that the house is clean. Again, you can make a bedikah to make sure that there's no problem, or you can make a bedikah to verify that it's 100%. When you make an inspection, a health inspection, what's the— they didn't find anything, right? The yesod of it is that they didn't find anything. Then there's a bedikah which it's not enough to say, I didn't find; it's that I know clearly that it's not. If a kashrus is good enough to say, I checked and I didn't find any problems, what's the bedikah by kashrus? It could make sure it's cautious. It's good enough to say, I, I, I, the mashgiach went in and, you know, he didn't find anything. Or he has to say more than that. I went through everything, and I'm telling you there isn't any problems. Okay, so you know what? Let's continue tiny drop longer, and we'll see that it's not exactly. I mean, let's look again what we said by bedikas chametz. By bedikas chametz, you don't have chametz. You cleaned the chametz, yet you still have to go make a bedikah. What's that bedikah? It's to not say, I didn't find anything, because of course you didn't find anything. It's to come and say that I'm telling you that there isn't. Okay. There's one bedikah that's to check in case there's a problem, and there's one bedikah to come and say that there is no problem. I know for a fact. We'll talk about that. I'm going to talk about that. Not really. Fact. I cleaned it out. Fact. What makes something a fact? Fact is, I want to say this, that it's a fact. Let's learn a little bit more, and you'll see it more clear. I'll show you the nafka mina, and you'll see the yesod of the halacha. So again, the nekudah number one was, if we hold it's de'oraisa, it's more chamur, so safek would be a problem. If you hold that it's only derabbanan, it's less, yeah? But— We could come and say that maybe it's more than that, yeah? Maybe it's more. Even the actual bedikah, you could be more meikel on certain colors. Borderline colors, you can go and say more meikel. Here, for example, there's a brown, which is a little bit more like red, and it's shady, and it's copper. Ramo says it's aser, right? For hefsek taharah, for a hefsek taharah, the coppers are no good. If you hold it's rabbanan, so you can be meikel on it, let it pass. V'ilma, maybe it has nothing to do with the chomer of the bedikah. It has to do with the reason for the bedikah. The reason for the bedikah is that when you found kapah, you didn't find blood, you found something which is mesupak. But if the taich in the whole bedikah is to make sure, to say, I didn't find blood, so safek's not good enough, no matter if it's d'rabbanan also. Let me say one thing, I think it's a beautiful point. If the bedikah is to come and say, I checked and I didn't find, okay, so you found something which is a safek d'... Okay, so you didn't find, you found, you didn't find. So if it's d'Oraisa, you say safek d'Oraisa l'chumra, safek d'rabbanan l'kula. But if you learn that it has to do what? Higgeresh. So what are you checking? You're checking to see if there's blood? To find out. Or you're checking to tell me for sure that there isn't. So if you found something which is a safek...

Yes, you can't say I found blood, so then we can say, oh, but something there is l'chumra. You're right. But, pashut, I'm checking to make sure that that's the whole bedikah. It's not a direct drabbanan. There is no. So if I found something which is not clear not, so then see, so you might be yes. It doesn't help you that it's drabbanan. I'll show you two more examples where I thought it was interesting. You know the lashon of the Arizal that says drabbanan? Does he say it's a din drabbanan? What does he call it? He calls it a chashash drabbanan. You saw the Arizal? I'm going to quote the lashon. Read the Arizal inside. ... בדיקת הפסק טהרה בנידה, אין ענין מחששא דרבנן. It struck me funny, the word chashasha d'rabbanan. I didn't know, what does he want with that? What do you mean by chashash? I mean, is a din d'rabbanan mechayev? I don't know what he means by chashasha d'rabbanan. D'rabbanan we're choshesh. Why can't a rabbanan say we're mechayev the bedikah? Okay, so I don't know why would you do that. I mean, what you just said, d'rabbanan, we're mechayev the bedikah. It's a smuch that the rabbanan are choshesh for something. If the rabbanan are not choshesh for something, right, you're choshesh for the blood, so kol zman you didn't bevarer that it's not blood, so even the d'rabbanan doesn't help you. I'm saying, if the pshat is d'rabbanan mechayev the bedikah, so you come and say it's a weaker bedikah. But if the rabbanan are choshesh, right, so what's the answer? They told you, so go make a bedikah. What would the bedika be? To make sure that it's not, right? Yeah, but you didn't come out with anything. You came up with incomplete. You came up with a safek. Could a person come and say, I made a bedika and it's incomplete? So did you make a bedika and it's incomplete, or you just didn't make a bedika? But what happened? What would you call a bedika that's not—it's not—what does it call again? It's not totally clean, in other words; it's just not clean. So then it's not a bedika. Then the whole beis is not there. If the chazakah is still here, so what's the answer? And I'll prove this to you, and I'm going to prove it to you. Tell me the truth. Let's take it apart. Is she a nidah d'Oraisa? Are you really choshesh that she's seeing blood now? But what are you choshesh, for example? Mayan pasuach. Now the truth is, mayan pasuach, that you're choshesh. Is she d'Oraisa or d'Rabbanan, this mayan pasuach? Is she bleeding now? She saw some blood, so what is she, d'Oraisa or d'Rabbanan? Without hargashah. So the whole thing is d'Rabbanan, right? Whatever she saw now is a d'Rabbanan de'kamina, no? Saw now when? She had hargashah four days ago, five days ago. She's bleeding now; she wants to clean up, right? So what is the blood that she sees now? We're not paskening the re'iyah; we're paskening in the mayan pasuach or not. Okay, so I'm asking you, so I'm saying, but is that blood d'Oraisa or d'Rabbanan? The blood is not there. Oh, that's what I'm saying. So, teretz is we're not paskening the dam, but what we're paskening is the issur of mayan pasuach or mayan chasum, right? Wait a second, slowly, slowly. Again, let me ask you a different question. If, let's say, she was only tamei... From a kesem. She is a kesem, and now she's tamei. So her bedikah is what? Yeah, really, maybe it's de'oraisa. Who told you she wants to become tamei? Maybe it's machlokes haposkim. Some poskim say even in such a case. I'm sure he brings it down. So go read it. Read it. Read the two poskim from the kesem. I didn't look yet. Yes, two shitos. Even if you hold that it's tahor from a kesem, yeah, the hefsek taharah shebah is de'oraisa. How can it be? So look it up. I make it up. It's a mistake. Okay. Where's the Badei HaShulchan? They stole here. He also, I think, brings it down. You have it? No?

Fine. Come, come, come. Really, you should ... your father, your grandfather's here, no? ... At the ... al kesef, huh? Here it is. ... אפילו המוציא דם בבדיקת העד, אינו בדוק. Yeah. ובוודאי שלא נאמר שמאיון הפסול כדין רואה גמורה. Right. Where is the ...? Because it's already to the next. It goes on to the first. Where does he bring it for his de'oraisa d'rabbanan? Where is it? He's very good, huh? He's clear. Crystal clear, huh? Oh, here it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here it is. ... Here it is. Right, one second. Here it is. ... Okay, here it is. ... Okay, here it is. ... Okay, I remember seeing it. Point B, point B. Point B. ... The yesod of bedikah is not to check. To see if there's dam. That's not what it's about. It's to take you out of the matzav of hischazkus. That's what I want to. I believe that the inyan of hefsek taharah is not so much the dam. It's the status. And that's why it's not so much the next day's dam as much as the hefsek taharah. She's got to change the hischazkus issur to start the taharah. True, the bedikah is not de'oraisa making, but the yesod of the bedikah, which is for hischazkus issur, could be even by a kesem. I asked a shaila, I pointed to some poskim. He brings that such a thing, that he can't be meikel on the zayin nekiyim of the kesem even by hefsek taharah. But if it's only hefsek taharah for a kesem, there it's hischazkus issur. This is mine. He's saying my word. It's not about did she see or didn't she see. You're right, but it's not again what she saw. It's only the Rabbanan anyway what she saw, so who cares? What are you machmir about? It's about her status. Hischazkus issur, she has a status of issur, and the hefsek taharah is taharah. So when is the hefsek taharah? When is it? That's supposed to be about before. In order to start the taharah, it has to be that the shiva nekiyim were done in...

Cheskas taharah, not cheskas dam. A new chazakah, clean sheet. The chazakah has to be that the past was gone. It's not the same day. We'll soon see. Let me just tell you what the nafka mina would be. Let's say an isha has a makor, and the makor is zocheh motzi dam. And because the makor is motzi dam, you can't check b'taharah. There's no hefsek taharah. Can't check. So what do you do? But you know for sure that the dam that's coming is only because of the... So the chavis daas, taharah. So what are you going to do? There's nothing you can do. They talk about maybe she should make hefsek taharah earlier because later the makor—she's afraid that the makor comes later—so she should make hefsek taharah within five days. I don't know, there's a whole Torah there, scheduling, whatever. Pashut. Then there's a whole shailah whether the makor come. Did the makor come before the mei taharah, or did the makor come after already? Meaning, did the makor come before the bleeding, or did the makor come after the bleeding? Okay. So there's two things, first of all. One happens if you could be meva'er clearly that it's the dam of the makor and not the... The bleeding you see is the dam of the makor and not the dam. Why? Because every time you have a dam, makor, so you can't know for sure that it's the makor and not something. You know that the makor is motzi dam, so that's a problem. That obviously is a problem. The way you could be clear that the dam is from the makah and only from there. Wait a second. But you can't be mevarer that there isn't from the dam either at the same time, because l'maaseh it's bleeding. Let's say you have a dam makah. So, pashut there's a clear, but let's say it's more than a clear. You know for sure the bleeding is coming from there. So where you know for sure that the bleeding is only coming from there and the doctor tells you it's not coming from anywhere else, so nachonami, that itself could be a bedikah. I know that's how the poskim pasken, and in bara... they do that. In Rav Wolbe's beis, that's what they do. They tell you go to a doctor and let the doctor be mevarer that. Okay. But I heard from him an interesting psak once, and I was shocked. He let a woman go to a mikvah. I know the story because I was listening, we were talking about it. He let a woman go to the mikvah without going to the doctor. What? Without making the bedikah on the seventh day. By knowing for sure that she has a makah motzi dam. Because he knows for sure. Which part does he know for sure? That the makah is a motzi dam. There's three—of course there is. It's very iffy now. I'm saying there's three levels. There's one level where you don't know where the dam is coming from, and you want to be toleh the dam is from the makah. Then there's another level that you have that the dam is zicher motzi from the makah, zicher from the makah, but maybe it's also from something else. And then there's a case where you know it's only from the makah, not from something else. Where you know for sure it's from the makah, nothing else. All right, so now you can say it is a bedikah. It's a type of bedikah. It doesn't have to be the way the bedikah with the— With the cloth, right? It doesn't have to be that way. It could be other ways also. But then you have the shaylah: what happens if it's not clearly that it's not dam nidah, but it's clearly maka also? Right? That's a very nice ha'arah, right? So here you have a case where you know for sure it's a maka motzi dam, and yet some poskim want to be matir. Yeah, but where's the bedikah of hefsek taharah that she wasn't motzi? In bishlema, she goes to the doctor, and the doctor tells for sure not nidah, so that's the hefsek taharah. But where the dam that you saw on the bedikah was from for surely also a maka, there is a maka there. Why was that mutar? And you know what the teretz is? What is the bedikah about? By hefsek taharah, is the bedikah that you didn't find, or to make sure that I can say that it isn't from. You found, so I can be toleh on a dama maka, so I didn't find, and that's good enough, even though I can't be mevarer for sure that it's not nidah. It's not clear. You don't need it. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Learn the bedika is like the shivah nekiyim bedikas. You know what the shivah nekiyim bedikas is? I checked and I didn't find. Okay, that's good enough. After how many days you told her to go? Huh? After how many days you told her to go to the...? Why do I? Seventh day. On the seventh day, shivah nekiyim, she was a daas, she couldn't, she couldn't... We're saying a mori dekvart. It goes to the heart of the sugya. Is hefsek taharah the same as this bedika shivah nekiyim but more chamur because it's d'Oraisa, or it's an entirely different bedika? By the shivah nekiyim, the pshat is you want to make sure you didn't find. Okay, so as long as I didn't find, it's good enough. So the safek is, I didn't find. You found. I'm shaking the other way around. If you learn by hefsek taharah it's not about you didn't find. You have to tell me that mayonah sagur. So kol zman I can't tell you clearly mayonah sagur, well what does it help me? I maka, so what? What does that help you? Involve the vort. You hear it? Beautiful vort, huh? You want to say it over, you can't say it over. Could you say it over? What are you saying, what? No, I just need to phone the call. Also take... Could you say it over? Say it over. Pick up the phone, call and say it over. Go ahead. I don't understand. I always thought that you change the status after hefsek and then... But the shailah is what's the ma'aleh of—what's the reason for the hefsek taharah? Is the hefsek taharah to make sure that there's no dam on the next day for the shivah nekiyim, or is hefsek taharah a separate thing? You see that from the Mechaber, the lashon of the Mechaber, it's about libun. Yemei libo, the bedikos that he's, that we're talking about over here, it's just like yemei libo. What is yemei libo? What's the point of yemei libo? You know what it is? And in case there is, you'll catch it. It's not to go make sure. It's not about being mevarer for sure. So bedikos is a stronger way of, in case there is, you'll catch it. Maybe you have some ta'irah, something you see from the mechaber that he puts them all together, I don't know, but maybe not. Maybe they have some ta'iros more. Okay, but make your phone call. With this, I want to tell you an interesting halacha. You ready? I'll tell you an interesting halacha. Let's say by a hefsek taharah, you can't make the bedikah, becheirem, besakin, for whatever it is, pain or whatever. Now, by shivah nekiyim, is it good enough? I guess so. The halacha by shivah nekiyim is you do the best you could, right? What about by hefsek taharah? You notice the Mechaber doesn't say anything special about the bedikah. He just says bedikah, right? The Rashba and the Raban and the Acharonim, they all quote, yafeh yafeh. It's got to be really, really, really good, well checked. Maybe it's a different type of bedikah, yeah? I'm clarifying this shailah. By shivah nekiyim, I checked, I didn't find. So it's like libun, I wear the white, and then I check, the chachamim mesaken more to check. Mashen kein, mashen kein, hefsek taharah is to be mevarer klor that mayona chasum, mayona chasum. So the bedikah has to be yafeh yafeh. It's a different type of bedikah. Hold the type of bedika. Work on this. Is the bedika the same? I think these are poshut practical shailas that the poskim don't touch on, but it's a poshut shaila, no? You see, notice when you teach a kallah, so you teach all the bedikas the same. But as a rav, you have to know, I don't know, maybe there's different levels of bedika, and perhaps it requires to be more, to be different. Maybe when the rishayim say yafeh yafeh, it's davka over here. Mashenkin a regular one is good. Now let me show you something else that's very interesting. They bring an eitzah when there's a makah and she can't make a hefsek taharah, that what she does is she brings a tube, shfoiferes, and what she does is she makes the bedika with the shfoiferes and she bypasses the makah. Tell me something. If you learned that the bedika is just to make a bedika and not to find dam, so you did it in a way that you didn't find dam, right? Let's say we said the same about a towel, a dam pasul. Okay, so you don't have to look for it, just in case you found it, so don't look at it, take a red towel and throw it out and then you won't see it, right? But if the halacha is to go look for it, so what do you—

I'm gonna say, why I covered my eyes and I didn't see it. What is that? If halacha was to go there, imagine a guy comes for tefillah, I didn't see it. Why not? What happened? Why did you see it? Because I didn't really look. I didn't see it. You're right. A guy takes a lettuce in a dark room and starts checking bugs. He didn't see it. You're right. Now, the truth is that's not even a bedikah at all. I'm saying, but let's say a guy made a bedikah, but without... and it wasn't to go look for it, but it's just in case you found. Okay, I didn't find, so what do you want? He washed with soap in the dark room. Let's say he washed with soap in the dark room. Say whatever, right? Let's say he washed with soap in the dark room. Okay, so he took care of it. That's good enough. Maybe. My idea, the idea I'm trying to bring out is there's one bedikah to check in case you find, and there's another bedikah to check to make sure that there's nothing there. Hefsed ta'am might be different. I don't know why this helps or if it does help. Maybe ta'am doesn't help. It's a shaila in the posek can bring this as a thing. Maybe this can be a solution. If you're looking to be bodek... Huh? By case of a makom, anyway, but to be toleh, I think that's why it's a snif, not stam any place, any time you want. Yeah, but I'm trying to see, but in the lomdus, I don't know. You have to clarify this. In the lomdus of it, it doesn't really work. And also because that makom could always be the source and it always has. In other words, if she's seeing, she'll always have. Right, right. I mean, I understand the case is reason to... I understand why this case is a reason to do it. That's not what I'm trying to bring out. I'm trying to say in the lomdus of it, how does it work? But you didn't check the whole place. I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe not. You're right. It's more shechiyach to say, but shechiyach to say is not enough for a bedikah. Let me show you something interesting. Could a woman wash herself and then make a bedikah? Yeah. So this is a big tumul, okay? Chazon Ish says definitely not, right? How many minutes? How many minutes? Fifteen, eight, this, this, fourteen minutes, twelve, seven, you know, I could... Okay. That you look already not nashim for the time frame. But the Chazon Ish is meyased this yesod: you can't wash and check. Other poskim say, you can wash and check, what's the difference? It's not geminah. If you're being mevarer that it's not—how can you mevarer that it's not? I mean, you wash yourself, that's why it's not. But if the chiyuv was to be bodek and you didn't find, l'maaseh you didn't find, what's the difference? I'll show you more. Let's say you're bodek one after another, right? There's also tumah. So many poskim says make a din: one, two, then another one, another one. Yeah, you know why maybe you didn't find? Because you cleaned yourself. Why is that good? Teretz is the hefsek taharah, for the same reason why it's chamur, it's really, really kal also. And that is, you just need a zman of taharah to start the counting of nekiyah. If it's not there, it's not there. Yeah, but it's not motzi you from chazakah. Again, let's say one more. It's a chiddush nifla. It's a nice, it's a nice way of looking at it. Here, guys, we ask a simple kasha. Chazal says if she washes herself, of course you're not going to find. It's like a practical thing. Not all the Acharonim are maskim to this. It's a big tumul. In case you do it, it happened, maybe. Second of all, what happens if I keep on checking and I check and I check and I check and I check? Avadeh you're not going to see. Five more minutes, five more minutes. Avadeh you're not going to see. Simple. Some poskim say it's all right. You know why? If pshat the bedikah is to check that you didn't find, right? Because maybe you did bleed. Yeah, you probably bled. Cleaned it, so what do you want? But if the taich is you need a moment of clean, clean, and then you can start taharah, l'maaseh you're clean. I don't care why, if you took a shower, you're clean. Shivah nekiyim needs to start on taharah. It's called hefsek taharah. It's not about hefsek dam. It's not about the blood stopping. Are you checking for mayin sasum? Are you checking for mayin sasum? I don't know if you're doing it. I'm not 100% sure about that. Really checking for mayin sasum? How can you check this?

Let's see. Let's see you have a tampon. Tampon. The whole time, we know it's kosher for bedikah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, tampon's kosher. You have to have kavanah. It's kosher for bedikah. You have to have kavanah, no? No, like kavanah kavanah. He doesn't bring that the tampon's kosher for bedikah. Do you bring the ...? You have to have kavanah, like... I think we did bring it down. It only speaks about it before the previous siman, where we spoke about... I didn't see it. Tampon. Daniel. While you look it up, let me tell you what I want. It's not... Yes. It's not question of tampon. Question is to use it for bedikah. It's holded for... That's right. Read, read. The Chavos. ... ... It's not the Rabbanan. It opens the letter should read. The letter read. Good. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... He gives a little advice. Okay. Yeah, read it. Ain levdeka idei hachnasas gush temer gefen, tempan d'kadeimi shematzi bizmaneinu, af she'af im hu nichnas bo, eino k'mkomo, kivan shehu av, v'yeish l'hachniso heitev lochem nizdakkim. Can't check. Go ahead. So it's no good. No one agrees that it could be good? Nobody says it could be good? Anybody else? It's strange. Kach kosav bi'seder ha... Somebody else agrees with... Anybody says that it's good? Of course it's good. We'll be talking about that. ... im temer gefen hu nichnas heitev b'chol makom, ... af al pi sheyesh ... ... Find me, find me people that say it's okay. Okay, the bottom line, bottom line is telling this shaila. If you need to check the mayan hachasum and mayan hapasul, the top, this is not it. But if it's to check that there isn't dam, because the dam didn't come out, this catches all the dam. So b'di'eved it's kosher. B'di'eved it'll be kosher. Okay, let's move one more case, and then we'll stop and then we'll do the rest. There's a whole shaila over here. There's a whole shaila over here. From when could you make the bedika of the hefsek taharah? So you're allowed to make it in the morning, the Rama, right? You want to make in the morning. What happens if she bled that day? So then there's a whole shaila if it's still good enough to make it in the morning, right? So what's the halacha? Go ahead, read the Rama. Oh, so sagi b'kach. But what happens if she saw that day? It's not like it's a peisek, huh? She's going on a kaves. Right, so you're allowed to do shachrus. There's a chazkas, there's a ta'ir that say, toises that in case she saw in the morning, she saw, then it's not going to work to be that same day. Why? So the pashut pshat is because if the choshesh mights afterwards. If she saw that day, so maybe she's still bleeding. She's still bleeding, so maybe she had a good moment. So what's taka pshat in this Rama, that that's cholek? It's taka a good svara. I never understood this Rama. I honestly never understood this Rama. A woman goes, checks at seven o'clock in the morning. How do you know? Maybe she bled afterwards. What do you want? How does it help you? The idea is that there should be one moment of taharah.

You checked, you found the moment of taharah, okay, you could start your shivah nekiyim. It's not to make sure that she's clean, because at seven o'clock in the afternoon on a long winter, a long summer—you talk about a summer, let's say a summer day, right? Seven o'clock in the morning before she went to work, she checked. How do you know what she is at eight o'clock in the evening before sundown? Even a few days before, they say it's still dayan. Who says it's the night before? The night before. I was going to tell you, even the night before is good enough. Even a few days before also, no, three days. We said this, we said it from the Beis אפרים, that in case she sees and she won't be able to go, she has a makas, she makes that bedikah even earlier. I mean, how does that help you? What, it was a joke? How do you explain? I know. What's the teretz? Have to think for itself. It's a moment of clean. It's a status. Huh? Think about it. He understands. It's not the same thing as cleaning חמץ. Huh? I didn't say it was. No, what I meant to say was, you need, before you start counting, off, clean. You tell me, I'll give you an example. You ready? You know how I like to think of it? I'll give you a mashal. Everybody looks for the levanah. Baruch atah—it's gone. Doesn't make a difference. You saw it. That's finished, good enough. I caught, I caught the moment that the levanah was there. You need one moment of taharah, hefsek. And over there you see clearly that it's covered. Here you're not. She took a—another bedikah later that day, and she saw it's not there. The first test is good enough. In halachah, if you look at the moon and right away your eyes close, you know enough. Hefsek, that's it, it's finished. She had a moment of clean, okay, that's all. Let's stop counting. Where does moich dach come in? I hold that that's the sofek. Where does moich dach come in? We have to make a moich dach. It's two different nekudos. The hefsek taharah is to talk about the previous day. Moich dach is to talk about the future day. The hefsek taharah is not about the future day; it's about the previous day. The moich dach is about the future day. That's why he puts it together. It's two types of bedikah. One is the bedikah of the avar for the hefsek taharah. That's the pashut way to learn it, is that way. One is the hefsek taharah, the de'oraisa; on the other hand, there's a chumrah to zayin a bissel frum, you know. I'm saying you don't need it; that's the opposite. That's how I hold now like that. One is a din d'Oraisa; it's a d'Oraisa halachah. I'm asking, but you're saying that one is only a safekes, one is a safek, one's only for safekes. You're doing it for the future; that means you have to know for sure. It's only for safekes, to make sure that you're not bleeding, that's all. This is to create a massive hefsek taharah, to create a status that now we can start changing her status. In order to clean, is it about the end of the seven dirty days, or it's the beginning of the clean days? That's the to be or not to be. You ready? Here's the to be or not to be in Hilchos hefsek taharah. Is it the end? Is it the end? Right, is it the hefsek for the shiva temeiim, or is it the techilah of the shiva nekiyim? So again, the hefsek should be more meikel. If I find a marah which is a safek, it's not dirty. It's a safek. It's not dirty. If I find a marah which is a safek, I should... Yeah, because you need to make her that she was tahor. You need to say... There's also for the... Finished. In order to start clean, finished. She has to be finished. If you're not 100% finished, you don't know. It's not dirty, right? She's always a marah that's yellow. That's what I'm saying. We finish. Okay, I'm gonna leave right here.