Hilchos Niddah: Bedikos Before and After Tashmish, Re’iyah Machmas Tashmish, and Fourteen-Day Vesos

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Okay. The Rama, in se'if beis: Hagah, v'ein tzrichin livdok atzman achar kol tashmish v'tashmish she'osin balaylah echad, u'mekanchin atzman kol halailah, b'eid. U'lemachar tzrichin bedikah. So first of all, you see he holds of kinuach; you don't need bedikah, right? Kinuach is good enough, which is the sidrei taharah, l'choirah. You don't need mamash a real bedikah. And mekanchin atzman, they clean themselves kol halailah b'eid, u'lemachar tzrichin bedikah. And tomorrow they can make a bedikah to check to see what it is, meaning on the cloth, v'im matza dam, teme'ah. That's a pashut she'eilah. If you hold that you have to check, so then you have to check after every bi'ah. I mean, what's this halachah to wait till the morning and check the next day? If you hold it, there's a chashash in the second bi'ah, might be asus, you have to check. This is mochiach mamash klar what we spoke yesterday, mamash 100% klar, that the real bedikah of after is not so much to check if she is, but to check to see if you didn't find that she is. You have to see, did it come out that she's a niddah? Do I see any dam? If I don't see, so I don't see. That's it, it's good enough. Therefore, kinuach is good, and therefore, you could wait till the next day. What? No, then I could say if you wait two, three days, it might get mixed up with other things. Maybe the l'machar doesn't mean als l'machar. I would learn the lemacha this way, two things. Either the lemacha is, if shteig, when you get up, you look. I mean, why would you not look? That's the lemacha, which means you don't go out of your way; you just get up and you look. As you get up, you see nothing, then it's nothing. Aleph. Beis, and a chanami, I would hold that in case you would know for sure that this is the towel, you put it away, so you can look in two, three days. I mean, you won't be able to live with it till those two, three days, because your chance to check was here, but you can't go bedavka not look. That would be called bedavka not to look. That's called bedavka not to look where it might be. Pshat is, you make a kinyan to see if it came, but you're not mechuyav to go search to see if it came. Okay, okay, let me just finish. I just want to say one more thing. The bedikah is the bedikah of the cloth, but bedikah is the cloth, checking the cloth. Now, I want to make a shtikel ha'orah over here. If you notice, mekanchen atzmah kol halaylah, b'eid. Each one separately, or one for both of them? Huh? That's what we learned originally, but maybe in the Rambam you don't need that. And the pshat in the Rambam is—where's the Mishnah? Yeah, the what? Okay, there's no such Mishnah. The Rambam's chiddush is that you're not mechuyav; we don't pasken you're mechuyav to be bodek. Mekanchen atzman, and then you check the eid. Peirush. Whatever they cleaned up with, if you didn't find the dam, that's good enough. It doesn't have to be a din chinuch to search to look for something. Mekanchin atzman, kol halayla b'eid. Mekanchin atzman kol halayla b'eid. One. Each one separately? I don't know. I mean, there's a very big difference. I mean, it's probably more closer to a bedikah, what each one would do with a separate eid, no? I don't know if you need that. Mekanchin atzman b'eid. I'm not so sure that that's muchach in the Rama that you need that. But let me go further. I want to trend the—let's go slowly, relax, okay? You see the diyuk? It's an interesting diyuk. What? I don't know. I'm just telling you, mekancha kol layla b'eid. B'eid shelo? Maybe, I don't know. I'm just reading. I don't know. B'eid could be one, I don't know. But what's your nusach that you have over there? No, but you said you have something you wanted to say something. Oh, very good. I like that. I know, that's what I want. Yeah. Ah, it doesn't say even b'eid.

It takes out the ed. That's very good. That's what I'm trying to tell you. He has a gears, the different gears on the seven. Kan chanatz when they clean themselves. Very good. I like that. That's exactly what I wanted. See, I'm ahead of the time. I make a deal before the new Shulchan Aruch changed the old Shulchan Aruch. See, this is called the revai Shulchan Aruch, that the new nagiim changed the Shulchan Aruch from what it was for a hundred years. I'm ahead of my time. I held the same thing. Ba'eid is not dafka. It doesn't mean—it's not a bedikas eid. Kan chanatz when they clean, they clean up, and if they don't find anything, it's good enough. Yeah, they clean up. And why am I saying we have to do cleaning? For what? The normal thing is to clean. No, but you have to check in the morning. The idea is whatever you clean, you have to check. He's trying to tell you the last part. They clean themselves, and then in the morning they check what was clean, that's all. It's a story. I'm not even—it's mechanically clean themselves, and they check. Not a din of tinuach ba'eid and l'machar. Not a din of l'machar either. It's kapoikeh. When they wake up in the morning, it's a whole different nekudah. When they wake up in the morning, they'll see what happened. They're going to get up, right? Get out of bed, see what's there. Let's go weiter. The Pischei Teshuva brings down a shaila if this would work, if this Rama would work for the bedikah kaidem. I can tell you, very pashut. If you learn that it's bedikah, and the bedikah kaidem and the bedikah achar is the same geder. So just like maybe for the bedika after, it was not that serious, and meileh you could check later, so maybe for the bedika from before is also good. Which the truth is mamash pli ploye. It comes that you're making a bedika, which is for this tashmish; you don't have to look till the next day, and there's a havamina like that. I mean, you can have such a havamina; it makes sense. I'm checking before the tashmish, but I won't look. I'll look tomorrow. No, it says... It's a kushya v'ra'ayah in the Gemara. It's good, I'm asking. O dilma, maybe it's two different bedikas, like. O dilma it's two different bedikas. Meileh the sevara of later doesn't apply to before. It's not shayach; one is not shayach to the other. So the geder is that when a bedika is to be mizvadeh the matzav now, then you got to check now. But if the bedika is not so much to be mizvadeh the matzav as much as to clarify what happened, so then it could be l'machar also. That could be l'machar also. The bedika after doesn't have to be legabei tashmish sheini like a bedika before. That's what I want to tell you. Again, hear what I just said? The bedika after doesn't have to be legabei tashmish sheini like the bedika before. Because what's the pshat? The bedika after becomes like the bedika before for the next time, right? It's not... Kamashmalan that it's not that way. Either you're checking before tashmish for what? Either you're checking to make sure she's not a nidah, or you're checking to mevarer the machmas tashmish. But either way, the one קודם is different than the one after, even though in lomdus they're the same. It's to make sure that קודם תשמיש שני, she's not a רואה מחמת תשמיש. Before you go to a תשמיש, she's not a רואה מחמת תשמיש, right? What's the reason for the one before? Either it's to make sure you're allowed to live with her, or it's because there's מחמת תשמיש. But that can't be done tomorrow; that has to be done now, right? Why? Because the חיוב בדיקה means to be בודק and check now. So why would the second one, which לכאורה actually is for the תחילה of the second one, it's the קודם of the second one. What's the second—what's the בדיקה after the תשמיש? For the next time. So it's no different than the one before. What for the next time? I didn't say that, but it's the same lomdus. What's the difference? Again, if they're both to tell me she's a רואה מחמת תשמיש, so technically this one is necessary for the next time also, no? If this is no—

Good, then she can't have the next one either, right? In lomdus, it's the same thing. It's actually the same thing. It's to be matir the second time that she's not a ro'iya, machmas tashmish, no? So what's the difference? You like it. No, you're not maskim? It's a pashut svara. The difference is because it's a geder bedikah. One is a geder bedikah, and one is a geder to check what happened. You know how I would say it? One is a bedikah of like a vest. One is hilchos bedikah of vestos, and one is a bedikah just to find out what happened. So why don't you check the first one? Tell me, when a lady goes to check to see—she felt hagashah and she went to check—is that a bedikah? Would you call that a bedikah? She had hagashah, she went to check to see what's there. What would you call that? Bedikah? No, not bedikah. It's just check to see what happened. Lai, lai, lai, lai... You say the first bedikah, that's for bedikas nidah, but if it's nidah, you need to check it, by the way. Look at the or haner, maybe she's nidah. No, so that's clear. So that's not so pashut that's what it's for. It might be to be mevarer that when she sees machmas tashmish, it's takke not machmas tashmish, or it is machmas tashmish. So what's the first bedikah for? Either the first bedikah is to live with it. But she's not checking this bedikah. That's right. But if she don't check this bad and you're reusing this bad, this ed, if you're reusing this ed afterwards also—Not using the same ed, different one. Different one, not same one. Okay. Of course different one. Why? Why so? Otherwise it's not a joke. That was laid, that's the second one. Oh, she's being ... anyway. The one for the first, and the after. After the biur, you're allowed to use. That one. That one through the night. Yeah, okay, okay. After every single biur. Fine. Actually, if you want to be ... How do you know? Definitely, let's say. ... Doesn't say, doesn't say, same ... doesn't say anything. Okay. Last second. Last second. Now. Okay, Rafi, Rafi, let's go further now. Isha. Isha she'eina ro'uyah b'pachos mi-yud daled yom, im achas tefilosah, aval lachazan yomim lo keva ad yud daled yom, zina k'din isha sheyesh lo veset. For those fourteen days. She is considered a vested natas. So what's this negea? Is this negea? This is a trumas hadeshen, okay, we all know the mekoris of this, okay, what's this negea? Is this negea to live with seir, or is this negea to the machmas tashmish also b'dikos? Some are chiddush. I mean, that's the same, I mean, you all talk about it. Because the truth is, it's a little strange, because then it wouldn't really belong here if it wasn't l'gabi the kodem v'achar. What they call vest of the trumas hadeshen, it's called the vest of the trumas hadeshen, till fourteen and after, right? Remember we went through this. This is what the Yemenite guy came with. This is the vest of the trumas hadeshen. The Ashkenazim don't call it that, the Sefardim call it the vest of the trumas hadeshen. Fine, he came and he told me vest trumas hadeshen, I didn't know what he was talking about. But then I saw in the sefarim that that's how they call it. Okay, by us they didn't call it that. It doesn't make a difference.

Maybe because it's takah not invested, it's over here. But al kol panim, the shaila is what's the negeiah to. So the Chavos Daas, in the biurim, seif katan gimel, says chiddush nifla, that it's only, only, yeah, it's only legabei bedikah l'baal. It's not legabei heter, that you won't need the bedikah l'baal. You see, there's two things. Either she's—question, she's muteres. So if she has a vest that she's muteres, so, you know, there's nothing. She's muteres. There's nothing to look at, to think about. Then there's another halacha, machmas tashmish, to look at, to check if it—maybe, right? So the Chavos Daas learns that this trumas hadeshen is only—see, pashut you learn that it's negeiah to regular vestes, and maybe also what's negeiah to machmas tashmish. Chavos Daas learns it's only legabei here, because truth is it's here, otherwise it would be in vestes, right? Here's raayos. It's a long, it's a long Chavos Daas, okay, now. So it's only for what? For the—this halacha of lifnei v'lo acharei tashmish. That's what it's negeiah. That's what we said. What's the nafka mina? If you hold it's a vestes, he's going to look at it, he'll bring it. It's the same as Chavos Daas. Achet tashmish shenitztach, he says. And so he tells you, according to Trumas Hadeshen's chiddush, you won't have to check, lo lifnei v'lo l'acharei. There's no Rambam, there's nothing, there's nothing to check here. Ah, no, so also—no. Chavos Daas says, that's what he says. Chavos Daas says that this halacha is only negeiah to this siman, that's all it's negeiah. In other words, you can't come and say that—I'm saying, you can't come and say she's a nidah, she's not a nidah. So the question is, does she have to bechalal check if she's a niddah? Mar b'livdok, all these halachos would be neged to her. It's like she has a vest kavua that she won't see, so she's 100% tahorah. All the halachos, no? All the halachos of vest kavua are neged to her. So Chavzda once he mechadesh that it's not true. It's only l'gabei the heter, the bedikas lifnei v'lachar tashmish. Whatever the halachos are, yeah, you have to be bodek, you have to ask her. It's not a heter. The heter is only l'gabei this halacha in this siman, dinei bedikos, ishah bein lifnei u'bein l'achar tashmish. It's a mefurashdike vort. I mean, true, read it. The only problem is, you know, he's not clear, the mechaber, for some reason it's like just a blanket statement. It should have explained, ... I mean, it should have said something. But he's saying, no, I mean it's in this siman. Okay, you want to read it inside there where you found it? Go ahead, Chavzda. So Chavzda, same. The question is, there are many halachos by an ishah sheyesh lah veses kavua. It's like chatzi kavua, exactly. It's not exactly kavua, but it's enough that you don't have to make the bedikos lifnei v'lachar tashmish. After these fourteen days, they have to check. The only time the test will help is after fourteen. ... The tests are not going to be reliable. You don't need no Imrei Bar, because you look at the Chavas Daas. Don't go run to the Imrei Bar, Chavas Daas. No, it's... Ah, do you like Imrei Bar? Okay. Do you understand what we just said? So, lema'arav. I just... It's okay, you understand? First of all, the question is, is this halacha? So give me one nafka mina, like one thing. Bai lehu without she'eilah. That's what we know. My veskavu, you're allowed to do it. No, but now it won't be this time. No, she's telling me that even in the true... Pakeach, according... even according to the true, this won't be. So we need to ask her or what? Unless she has a day. Okay, you know what, rabosai, pay attention. Listen. Read: אשה שאינה רואה בפחות מי״ד ימים, אחת תפילות. אבל לאחר י״ד יום אין לה קבע עד י״ד יום, דינה כדין אשה שיש לה וסת, till then, right? That's what this is. Legabei what? There's so many halachos about veses. Which halacha are you referring to? So pashut, you learn everything. So why would it be here? It should be in Hilchos Vestos, no? It doesn't belong here. You're right, so I'm asking you. So it's everywhere? So Chavas Daas says no, it's not everywhere. It's only here, and that's why it's here.

It's only negea what? It's only nogea, dikas lifnei v'lachar tashmish. So I'm asking you a pashut question. What's the difference? Why, l'gabei everything else, it's not called kavua, but l'gabei bi'ah lifnei v'lachar tashmish, it's called kavua. What's the difference? No? Trumas Hadeshen is mechad... You know the veses kavua? You know what it is, a veses kavua? For fourteen days it's kavua that she won't see. So what do you mean, no problem for what? There's a lot of halachos about veses kavua. You're allowed to live with her without asking her if she's tehorah or not? Is that the halacha? There's many halachos by a veses kavua. What exactly do you mean, the veses kavua? This sh'eilah? L'gabei eize halacha ze nikra veses kavua? יש הרבה הלכות התלויות בהלכות וסת קבוע. אם זה בכל ההלכות של נידה נוגע לוסת קבוע, או דילמא זה רק בסימן זה, maybe it's only for this siman. Chavas Daas learned it's only for this siman. So what's the nafka mina? What's the difference? I think the nafka mina is very, very clear, very, very precise, okay? And let's discuss it. Let's discuss it. If something is a veses kavua, right, ro'ya machmas tashmish is what? It's a chash chutz mehaveses? Is it a chashchash which has nothing to do with veses? Maybe she'll see machmas tashmish, something will happen, okay? Or the pshat is, it's like one of the dinim of vestos. Meaning, one of the vestos is that when she's machmas tashmish, like tefitza, she'll see. So the shaila is if she has a kvias vest not to see, would that be good that we don't have to worry about this vest? So if you learn that the taich is that it's negea to all hilchos vestos, then eino hachi nami, this is one of them. But if you're going to learn that it has nothing to do with hilchos vestos, no, the pshat is it's a chashash. It's an interesting chashash, all right? So could be the Trumas Hadeshen wants to be mechadesh that the reason to be choshesh is not maybe this, maybe this, but the reason to be choshesh is that maybe in her vest this will bring her vest. If it brings her vest, but she has a kvias vest for it, so then there's no reason to be choshesh. Let me say it one more time. One more time, ready? The shaila is not is she or is she not. The shaila is not so much to be mevarer if she is or she's not, but the shaila is— Is it possible that the bia will change her vest? Again. Is it possible that the bia will come and change her vest? Bichlal, tashmish, okay? If someone is a ro'eh machmas tashmish, right, what it would say? Someone is a ro'eh machmas tashmish. What's the safek? That there'll be a fluke and she'll see? There'll be what? Her vest, which means ki'ilu it's one of her cycles. Okay. Why are we choshesh b'safek? What's the reason to be choshesh? Right, the mikra me'kores. If lu yetzuir, she has time bound, so the mikra is not going to cause it. So maybe this mikra is also not going to cause it, and that's enough for machmas tashmish. Because by machmas tashmish it's never a real vest to check maybe it's there. Kol zman I don't have a reason to think it's there.

Kol zman I don't have a reason to find it, say it that way, then it's not there. There are certain vestes, the taich is that the vest is mechayev meik to be choshesh. There are certain vestes that are mechayev meik to be choshesh, which means that when they come, that day, for example, I have to go look, make a real bedikah pnimi, because the mechayev is a mechayev that it should be there, which is enough to tell me that I better go find out where it is. Then there's something called vestes which hataliya b'mikra. So there too, there too, when the mikra happens, then the taich is that that's her kviusdikah vest. So then also you'll have to go and search for the vest, where you don't have a reason to say that she's going to see, but it's a chashash that maybe. So it's not a halacha you have to go search to find the maybe. All you have to do is be mevada that the maybe didn't happen, that's all. Mimeila, kol zman shehas haftachah that her vest is kavua, that's enough to say there's no reason for me to check for it. That's right, that's right. You don't have to go do kfitzah to make the vest. You don't have to go search for the thing. She has to—okay, she did do kfitzah to find out what happened. And it's different than kfitza, though, because by kfitza it's a taich that kfitza is gorim when you know that it's gorim. So then the kfitza becomes a vadai. But here you're not even talking that. Here you're talking about that maybe, that maybe it's mikra and maybe the mikra. So what is enough to come and say? Search maybe. You know what? Every time she coughs, search maybe this mikra does it. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. On a maybe mikra, on a maybe mikra, it's enough to check that it didn't come, not to check to find that it came. On a maybe mikra, memeila, memeila, if there's a kvias veses, so then the taich is even the maybe to check is outweighed with the fact that she taka doesn't have mikra. She taka has zmanim. On an isha that's not mikra, the isha that's zmanim, a mikra which could cause it, there's no reason to go and say I even have to check, did it cause it. Right. So that's it. Meaning there's no reason to be choshesh on the mikra. Memeila I don't even have to go check bichlal. That's what he's trying to say. Oh, but what's megiah to hilchos vestos? Doesn't mean she's taka nikva. It's nikva enough that I don't have to create a safek. That's what it means. There's certain things called it's nikva that I don't have to create a safek. But nikva, the takeaway when there is a safek is not a heter. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they might cause it. But who said not? Who said not? Who said not? Okay, I see that everyone was sleeping a little. In the fourteen days maybe veses changed because of tashmish. But there's no reason to be choshesh for it. Even though there is such a chashash in the Vel, but the mere fact that you don't see by her that such a thing is shchiach to happen because she has a kvius which is not mikrim, then there's no reason to go. You have to go, you leave. Okay, matliach. You hear what I want? Should I repeat it again? Should I say it again? Okay, I'll say it one more time. It's very simple. Okay, it's very simple. Ma sheletell me what the mechaber says. What's this mechaber, which is not really a mechaber, it's actually a Trumas HaDeshen. What is the Trumas HaDeshen? Until fourteen she's kavua, and after fourteen she's not. Now that's a halacha in vestos.

I don't really belong here. I don't know why you're teaching me chazakas now all of a sudden. You understand the question? See? Huh? You're not here? You're following. What's wrong? What don't you understand? It's not again. Yisho she'einah. So what is this? Tell me what it says. Do you say it. Tell me what it says. No? Right. Right. So it comes out that she's kavua. Okay. Now, is this siman anything to do with vestes? Does this about vestes? I don't know. So it's a little bit strange that it's here. It doesn't belong. It belongs in the previous simanim, what you're talking about. How did this walk come in here? It's like a mudna zach, right? It's weird. Okay. So the truth is, it's not clear what is he referring to. Is he referring to that it's kavua for all the halachos, ki'ilu she's called vest kavua not to see, period, like in Hilchos Vestes? Then eina chanami, it doesn't belong here. O dilma, or maybe he has nothing to do with vestes. It has to do with this halacha, lifnei and acharei tashmish, the new halacha and this bedikas of lifnei and achar tashmish. Okay. What's the nafka mina? Where does this come from, that it's kavua only legabei this and not this? And the answer is clear. I'll explain to you the answer. When we talk about tashmish... B'dikas lifnei, I explained to you there's two ways to understand. Are we worried that this is the vest that's going to come now? Is that what we're worried? Or are we worried that this thing brings about bleeding? You know, I'll give you another example, one another example. Beautiful example. You ready? A beautiful example, just to show you what it means to know the halachas from the Acharonim, from the poskim. Mishaz vest, the day of her vest, if she sees blood, not a nice chunk, and she's wearing colored underwear, what are you going to come and say? It's a kesem, and she's wearing colored underwear? Can you say anything like that? You can't do that, right? Why? Because you know that the vest is supposed to come, right? So that means this is her vest. What, hachi nami? I mean, it's comeing slower, it started slower, I mean, whatever it is, it's her vest. And that's why Rav Moshe even comes and explains that if a kesem is a day or two before—no, one day, it's like one day before, if the kesem is one day before, so the vest actually starts from when? One day before, because you know that it's her vest. Let's say a woman takes a pill, all right, and the pill brings on earlier the vest, right? Brings on her period earlier, all right. What are you going to say, that the next time she has to be choshesh for it because it's not a vest, it was brought upon her? I mean, this is like kfitzah, which is exactly how Rav Belsky says over—paskened for a Moshe. He says he heard from Rav Moshe. I even asked him if it's written anywhere. He said, No, I heard from Rav Moshe, and it's a davar hamistaber also. It's like kfitzah. I mean, you're causing your vest to come earlier, so you can't come and say that the vest is, it's nothing, it's only—this is it, this is your vest, that's it. And all the halachos of vestes apply. So is that shot in the bi'ah that we're afraid that the vest, like tefitza, like pills, bring on the vest early? But then there's such a thing called, let's say you go to a doctor and he gives an exam and he punctures the thing, right, and starts to bleed. Is she a nida? Is that her vest? No. Is that would be—is bi'ah that or is bi'ah this? The machmas tashmish, this or that? Beautiful chance, right? We can hear from the... No, I'm not— I hold that's not so pashut. Really not so pashut. I said that yesterday. This was yesterday's shiur. Yesterday's shiur that was not recorded, which should have been, but the—half hour. But the shiur was an hour, and the gishmak part of the shiur was probably the second half hour. But all right, that's neither here nor there. Kitzur, you hear? You hear? Not done. The question is what becomes the machmas tashmish, okay.

If you learn that the machmas tashmish, the vestes come early, so then if she's kavua, right, so then the kavua should come and say that you don't have to worry about it. But wait a minute, but she jumped. What do you mean? Hey, kavua. It's kavua, kol zman she doesn't jump. Maybe if she jumps, maybe it'll change. Now the truth is, the truth is, that, you understand what I'm saying? Kavua. I mean, what's the whole chumras hadesh? That it's kavua, and therefore you don't have to worry about it. But she sees she's tashmish is different. Something happened. Right, so it's kavua when it's no tashmish, you don't know, right? That's the sugya. So what is the Chumras Hadesh בכלל talking about? And the teretz is, I hold that even the vest that we call machmas tashmish, the way I explained to you yesterday, is never a real vest to worry for, but it's always to worry, not for, but to worry that it's—to be mevarer that it didn't come. It's never a vest that does come, but since it's a vest that might come, you just have to check if it came or not. That's all. I'll give you an example. It's a funny example, but I guess maybe you'll understand it that way. Just don't repeat it over to anybody else, okay? If you're awaiting someone at the train station. Is it enough to call up the conductor? The conductor, did you see a guy with a blue hat that came? Supposed to come, right? You look around to make sure. You go into the trolley, you go from section to section looking for the guy who's supposed to come, right? But if you don't know if a guy's supposed to come, maybe כן, maybe not. You know what you do? You call up somebody, you see a guy that looks like this, and you say, Okay, okay, probably. Maybe, you know, like the muscle. No, maybe not. I'm saying that's straight indirect. Who says indirect? That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's exactly what I'm telling you. It's very possible. I'll give you another one. If let's say your paycheck is supposed to come in the mail, all right? Paycheck is supposed to come in the mail, and it doesn't show up. You know what you're gonna do? You're gonna go to your mailbox and look, and then you're gonna look on this side, and then you look on the floor, and then you're gonna ask the watchman, the mailman, By the way, did a letter come? Let's say someone tells you, you know, you might be getting something in the mail. So did it come? Okay, did it come? Okay. Would you go every day searching in the mailbox to see if it's not there? Rabbi, here was something about the club. I know, so what should I do? Because I don't understand the chaf I'm talking about. What's the negel? I want to know. I want to know the pshat is you're searching to see because there's such a thing called a raya machmas paspis, and it becomes one of the vestos, and just like the vest, you have to look for it; you have to look for everything else. Or the pshat is that since there is such a case out there, you have to check to see that it's not that. Just because she's kavua, it's not a mechayev to come and say that she's not a raya machmas paspis. But what it does do is it makes the chashash so much less that I don't even have to go check to see if it's there. For the vesto causes the beer not to be there. You're saying it's basically no problem with the beer, so you don't have to be concerned with the beer, the blood. That's right.

Why should you say that? Tell me, do you go every day to the doctor to check if it's a chas v'shalom you have, you have a brain tumor? Does anybody, people do that? Why not? Something that could happen, right? But the teretz is, if there's no reason to be choshesh for something, then I don't have to be choshesh for it. What do you mean, check that you don't have it, right? If a person shows signs that he has a machalah, then you have to search to find the machalah. Could you imagine you come to the doctor, and the doctor says, Look at you, you look good, you look fine, don't worry about it. No, but if something bothers, then go search for what bothers. Luyad stuyah, right? Luyad stuyah. There's such a thing called checking to make sure, like an annual. Once a year you got to check to make sure you're okay, yeah? If the guy is 12 years old, does he have to check to make sure everything's okay? That's what it is. For 14 days she never sees dam, why should she check to see? So even the yesod of checking that it's not is outweighed because she's kavua not to see. Now you want to know in hilchos vestes? No, that's not what it is. Hilchos vestes doesn't mean that it's mutar. Not a vest, a real vest. It's a vest to take away this new din of re'iyah machmas tashmish to be mevatel, to be mezvada that she's... Let me show you another thing now. יש לאדם... להניח את אשתו שתבדוק בעד שלה, ותתיש ונאמנת על שלה, נאמנת על שלה. Now what's יש לאדם? יש לאדם means what? A person could? יש לאדם? I want to say that it has to. Has to. You know who says like this? The Beis Meir. Machloikes haposkim. Because אין לאדם... it means he shouldn't let her. יש לאדם, he has... What I want to say, he may צריך אדם להניח לאשתו... and he may machmir to not let her and do himself. אבל מיש לאדם, even if she wants to do it and he wants to know, I want to check, he needs to let her check. Why, why, why? Explain. Why? Let me tell you over. The Beis Meir says, very good, very good. You'll be ne'eman l'gabi yourself, and you're not ne'eman l'gabi her maybe. She needs to check for herself. Tell me, this is a halacha me'eidech and then... Huh? That is chazakah sturah. Why is this chazakah sturah? But that's the whole thing. It's not the seeing, it's the wiping itself. Not the looking, it's the wiping. Why was she should trust him? It's not a real thing. What do you mean it's not a real thing? Could a person, could a person, it's not edus, it's nogeia, but she was nogeia in the ... Could a person ... pasken on his wife's ...? What's the difference? It's no different than that, no? ... You're not ... you're not. ... right? ... Anybody ask you a shaila: is a roya machmas tashmish? Is a roya machmas tashmish. Tzrichah, she needs the bedikah. He needs the bedikah. What? Who is it for? Yeah, you said, but she's ... hard on ... Who needs the bedikah? Who is it for? Her? For him? For both of them? Who needs this bedikah?

What do you type? Who needs it? Who needs the ...? Who is it for? I am ... for. Huh? For her? Who is it? Who, who? She needs, so she should be a nida, he should be allowed to live with her. Who is it for? For him, no? Her? Him. You said last time that you think that it's for him. So I think it's for him. Even for her, you ... Even for him one is enough. But why is one enough with ...? For her, it's because ... to go against Chazakah ... A lot, a lot. What are you saying? I don't get what you're saying. What do you say has to taharah, but it was chazakah that she's taharah, and he comes to ... by saying, I have ... to tell you tamei, so he doesn't need two witnesses, not one is enough. When legabei her, you're changing the chazakah. But if it's legabei him, so one is enough. He comes as tamei. In case, that's what you do. It's not like ... Why is different than a kesem? What are you tired? Everybody's asleep. I'll let you go in a few minutes, a minute or two. What are you tired? What's the chiluk? What are they arguing? A me'ah chuznan b'isur, no? A man can see his wife, what's the difference? Why should he have to show it to her? Why do you have to show it to her? Where did it come from? What are you talking about? According to what you just said, that a man was polech on them, chaver, you said that maybe using eid echad. Here you see there's two; they want her, want him. There's no eidim. I know, I know. No eidim witnesses. Again, the halacha is that eid echad is eid, one eid. Why can he be ne'eman? I'm sure. Who said it's about the seeing? Who said it's about the wiping, no? They wipe. He has an eid, so she shows her. Why does she show it? Who said it's about the show? Maybe she wipes. Meir says he has to. Why does she show it to her? I'm talking, I think he's talking about the wiping, not about the looking. Shivdoks about the wiping. Who said it's about the looking? I know, I know. Why? Why? Meir says clearly, she should look to see. Why? He's a liar. Why can you trust? Because maybe he himself... then it's... Why would there be such halacha? What kind of halacha? Ba'ed shelo, his thing that he wiped. Not ba'ed, ba'ed shelo, from the one he wiped. I'm not shooting in the sky. I'm not shooting in the dark. The Rambam... כלומר שאין בעד אמש בודם בעצם ערווה, אבל פעולת הבדיקה... תירויא ברמבם קינוח. ... says it's not ... I see, but whatever he wipes himself with, she should look at. Why does she have to look at? Why should it be that way? No. No, what are you ...? What does Rav ... say? What does Rav ... say? What? He said something to explain? He said ... Why it should be that way. ... It's a kashya, it's a pashut kashya. I'm going to ask you a question. Yeah, he said something. I'm going to ask you a question. ... I'm going to ask you a question.

No, but why? The question why. He says, he says the information. The question is why. Okay, let me tell you what I want. I want you to pasken the following shaila. You ready? Pasken the following shaila. They came to a rav. The husband claims she's a ro'ya machmas tashmish, and she claims it's not true. What happens? What's the case? You like it? Because he comes and claims it is, or the opposite. She claims it, and he claims it's not. We believe her. Because if he claims it is, then it's shavya nafshei chaticha d'isura. What if it's the other way around? Then also shavya nafshei; can live with her. Are you asking both ways now? Shavya nafshei, for him also. But you see, by tmei'ah, she can come and say, Tmei'ah, shavya nafshei. Maybe. Huh? I don't know. Because it's not a nafshi; he's destroying him. I don't know. She comes and claims, I'm a tmei'ah, and he claims not true. Not true. It never happened. It can't be. Wow. I hold ... yes. If it's his din of her, if ro'ya machmas tashmish is vestes, b'safek lah she has a special ne'emanus. If it's his din that he has to be bodek before he goes and does a bi'ah. Then the ta'ch becomes, maybe it's שייך to him; he's claiming not that way. What would be the nafka? This thing. He sees on his thing. Should he show it to her because tznius her vestes, and v'safra tells me him? I have a better question. You ready? Is her vesafra stronger than an eid echad? Chayris, no? What? We learned this, that her vesafra is stronger than an eid echad. So if the showing the aid from machlokes is a safra, halacha of vestes, you have to show it to her. But if it's your din, what do you have to show it to her for? That would be the machlokes, if you have to show it to her or it's good enough you see it yourself. So what about the mechaber, the Mechaber says you have to? It's a shailah how to learn it. To ways how to learn it: either yes, you have to, and the reason why you would have to is because it's her vestes, so vesafra is much better than what you have. But there's no—he used there. Her vesafra is much more than his eid echad. But if she asks you, you can't say no. If she asks you, you can't say no. If she—no, because maybe there's a din, but she has a right to ask. She has the right to ask, but... In a chinami, but if she asks, you can't say no. Yeah, he could come and say, it's also negea to her. It's negea to her vesafra too, but the chiyuv dika was not the vesafra. Chiyuv dika, it's your halacha of machlokes. So you don't have to personally... So the whole thing is, don't think she's never ne'eman; she's always ne'eman, and you're ne'eman also, but she's more than you. But the shailah is what this din is for. Is this bedikah for vestes and then vesafra? It's not about vestes. What? It's beautiful, that's what I want. If his eid got lost, what would happen? I don't have that. What happens if the eid got lost? So the pais can bring down. It's not a problem. I thought I spoke about it yesterday. We spoke about it yesterday. Not three times. Let me get lost. The way I learned it, it's not a real bedikah. Let's say it's yayin vest, let's say it's yayin vest and an eid gets lost, so you're finished. This is not a real—this pshat is, to me, mevarer. I lost it. What should I do? I can't go lose it on purpose. But if I lost it, I lost it. I think they speak about it in case it gets lost. Who says? I think it might be. Let's see if the paiskim agree with me. The way I learned up the sugya, shemivarer. Right, right.