Hilchos Niddah: Bedikas Kartin, Nimuch B’Mayim, and the Duty to Investigate a Safek

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We discussed the sugya of kartin, dachushim, chiyuv bedikah. We came to the point of the binas adam, chayah adam, that's mechadesh that there's two ways to look at this bedikah, two ways to look at it. Either we could come and say that the emes, she's a safek niddah, and to be motzi her from the safek, we need to make a bedikah, otherwise she's asur. Or, b'emes, mitzad the safek, paka tahor. So the bedikah becomes the chiyuv to make sure, to make sure she's tahor. Now the binas adam did not clearly explain what I'm going to ask you on the second side, which means is like this: the second side, right, the second side is that when there's bedikah, right, the second bedikah, the chiyuv bedikah is because of maybe she's tahor, so go bivadik to see maybe she's tamei. What's mechayev that bedikah? Oh, so pashut you come and say that the mechayev of that bedikah is the safek itself. The safek itself is mechayev the bedikah. Which means is that even the safek mutar is a safek mutar dependent on a bedikah. Dilma, maybe we could clarify differently, say that the reason there's a chiyuv bedikah, that itself is like a takanas chachamim. Thehainu, sometimes something could be mutar with an asterisk, with a stipulation, with a tnai. This is a tnai. You know what the tnai is? The tnai is that you have to be bodek. That's called the efshar levarer mevarin, which means mutar, but l'maaseh, since you could be mevarer, you have to be mevarer. Dilma, maybe we could come and say a little differently. We could come and say that there's a chiyuv bedikah in a case not because of the safek, not because there's a question and the safek's mechayev it, but in order to be matir, chachamim—let's use the word chachamim—come and say, go be bodek. Where does this bedikah, where does it come from? Does anybody know where it comes from? Let's start with that. Where does it come from? Shulchan Aruch is mechadesh it? Gemara. So how does the Gemara say? Does the Gemara say—huh? Yeah. And the Rishonim said... So did anybody... Use the lashon that you're chayav b'ibud. Chiyuv. What's the lashon of the mechaber? Again, I want everybody to take a look at the lashon of the mechaber. Kol dam ha-yotzei min ha-ishah bein lach bein yavesh, temeiah, v'lo oid, ela afilu yotzei min ha-tzuros, v'hu sheyehei meichin b'soch meis l'eis. It's very interesting. He doesn't say what you should do, no? Kol dam ha-yotzei min ha-ishah, bein lach bein yavesh, temeiah, v'lo oid, ela afilu yotzei min ha-tzuros, ... shehi temeiah. V'hu sheyihyeh. Why don't you say that you're mechuyav to check? Did you make the... you made. Why don't you just tell me, do you have—does this say anywhere that you have to check? V'hu sheyihyeh. So pashut you have to say, v'hu sheyihyeh means that you want that it should be temeiah, so check what it is.

Check what it is. V'hu sheyeh, check what it is. Is there a chiyuv to check? You know, if you mean the halacha of kol de'efshar livrurei, chayiv levarer, you should have said that you're mechuyav to mevarer, that's all. There's the halacha, rabosai, whenever you have a safek, you must check. So it should have said, v'chayiv lishrois b'mayim k'dei levarer. What does it mean, v'hu sheyeh? That's a different question. Why didn't you say it the other way around? That in case... v'hu shelo yihyeh. Say it the other way. It would be tahor, v'hu shelo yihyeh the opposite. Why do you say tameiah v'hu sheyeh? Say tahorah. I mean, you want to be metaher. I mean, you're not talking about what's tamei; you have a safek, and the Torah says the chiddush is it's tahorah on condition of. Don't say it the other way around, tameiah v'hu sheyeh. You medaik this also? Okay. I hold these are not stam diyukim. You know what, Rav Avram, you read the Mechaber, and you tell me what it's— Right. Good, but why you write it that way? No, it's a different thing. It's kol dam... tamei. Tamei. Do these things do this, you find out. You have to put it together. That's exactly how I saw the shiur. There was no reason to put it together in the first place. That's what we said last year. There's no reason to put it together. Just say it here. Read: v'lo oid. Not only that. You hear? V'lo oid. It's like a continuation. V'lo oid, ela afilu yatza menu. Tzuras beis can become kli, pisukim, se'aros, can become bushim, is also tamei. V'hu sheyehei nimoch, on the condition that it be nimoch, right? So who says that nimoch is an issue? Who said that you're mechuyav to go see if it's nimoch or not? Tamei. You want to be metaher it, so go check. Teretz is it's only tamei in case it's v'hu sheyehei nimoch. When you find out that she's nimoch, after she's become tamei. Good, so why is he writing it? He should not say tamei v'hu sheyehei nimoch. Now you made a decision already. The decision is she's tamei. Now you want, on the stipulation of v'hu sheyehei nimoch. Do you mean that because there's a safek, therefore you have to go check? Do you mean that? If he means because there's a safek you have to go check, then say, v'chayav to be bodek. The language is off. Do you have a question what this is, and therefore because there's a question you're chayav to go check? So right, the person should go check what it is. There's no way you can just sit down here, huh? There is. How? Cool. Huh? Cool. Otherwise when there's a safek, you don't realize. Also, why don't you say that she's tahorah if in case you check and it's not? Why do you talk about the tameiah? The opposite usually works, is you want to say something's tahor if you check that it's tahor. I'm clarifying that that's where the Binas Adam begins his safek. Is she tamei and there's a chiyuv bedikah, or is she tahorah? The mashma'os is that she's tehorah and there's a chiyuv bedikah. So what's the chiyuv bedikah? What's mechayev this bedikah? She's tamei, so what's mechayev the bedikah? You're not mechayev; you want me to pay her, that's what you mean, okay? So what's the other side? She's tahorah, but you have to make a bedikah. Why do you need a bedikah on the side that she's tahorah? Oh, because it's called a ... but since you could be mevayer, so go be mevayer. Or the pshat is, the chiyuv...

She's stipulated that she's tehorah with the bedikah. That's right. She's tahorah and then actually liva'er. She's tahorah when she meva'er that she's tahorah. The eidus ne'ehad, okay? That's what I want to say. What happens in the case of eidus ne'ehad? She can now start a new hefsek. It's a big chiddush, because she would be still tahor, but the hefsek would ruin. But if the ta'ina is she's only tehorah on the condition that she went and she was bodek, and not bodek, she doesn't have the heter. And it's not... Okay? Explain to them what I mean. Explain it, go ahead. Look, everybody listen. Are you with me? Rabban, am I clear-minded somewhere else? How do I get your mind here? You know, if you knew what... okay, I should just let you... okay, go ahead, go ahead. Teva'er, teva'er, ma shedibarnu po. Explain, explain. Shulchan Aruch says that if a woman keeps her area, she has to do bedikah. The question is as follows: keriat din of... Speak up. How do we look at her before the bedikah? Do we say that מסתמא she's tehorah, and we just want to check to be super sure? Or do we say מסתמא she's tameiah and we want to be metaher her, and that's why the bedikah? Either way. That's really the... That's a check. Now we're exploring one question here. Let's say the child is, she is actually... and you're checking. The question is, why are you checking? If you're a rav and you're looking through the entire tefillin, why should you bother more to look for problems? Why are you bothering to look for problems? What would be the reason? If bishloima she's tameiah, you want to help the woman. So there's a reason to check. But if I can't leave it that way, close your eyes and say, I'm sorry, I don't want to talk to you. What do you see? I see nothing. See fresh air. What are you looking for? So if you come and say that it's such a big safek, and the safek itself is called ... l'vari, even though you have a chazakah, it's irresponsible just to say, I cannot check. Check. The thing is here, check. Why are you saying no? Then that would be a ... You know what the ... What happens if that ... Can't check. She's still tehorah. Right? If eight, if eight ... that thing that she's checked, whatever the beer that came out, that lost. So then you have chazkas tehorah. She's tehorah. You should have checked when you could, but you can't anymore. So she's tehorah. So if the pshat is she's really not considered tehorah, she's stuck in the air, she's hanging, then the bedikah is going to make it or break it. You don't know how the ... You lost the ... Can't. Say it again, say it loud. If the pshat is that even her taharah is conditional taharah. When the test will come out positive, then she'll be ... If you lost the test, then she's safek tameiah. She can't do anything about it. That would be the ... So if you say just hold the ... If ... Right, ... if this is not a kinai, though, this is ... And you put it back in, but she is tamei and that's ... You're saying it's not that. It's not she has a chameh, then she's safek. Not tamei vadai, she has another safek. Okay, now, I want to show you the last Mechaber, the last—I'm sorry, the Ramah, spoiler. Vav. עומד, דבר הממורים שצריך בדיקה בשריה, דמאפלס כמין קליפות ושערות. אבל חתיכת דם, אף על פי שקשה ואינו נימוח, טמאה. Should be tamei. ויש אומרים שגם לזה צריך בדיקה בשריה. אם היא חתיכה קטנה כשיעור בפריש, קנה דק שבדק. So this is—

Shriya v'mapeles k'min klipos, aval chatichas dam, af al pi shekasheh, ein hamoach tmeiah. Yesh omrim shegam ze tzarich bedikah. So l'maaseh, the Shach paskens like the de'ah rishonah, that you don't need a bedikah. On hard blood, you don't need a bedikah. On hard blood, you don't need a bedikah. What's the nafka mina? The poskim say it's very pashut, because kardin is afuk. Let me ask you this. Listen carefully. According to the Mechaber, right, the first day is dam koshi, you don't have to check. What's the second day? You do have to check. So how do we pasken? The Shach says we pasken like the de'ah rishonah, that dam koshi you never have to check. I have a shaylah. According to the Taz, you do have to check. What's it to check about? What's the shaylah? What exactly is your shaylah? Oh, maybe it's not dam. So if you look at the Shach, the Shach explains the first Taz is definitely dam. I'm mechalek by kardin, because kardin might be afur. So you hold that the two tzadim are arguing in a metzius. That's what they're arguing about. It's so karov l'dam, but I don't need to check. It's so karov l'dam that I don't have to check. The second man damar is saying it's not so, that I do have to check. The way the old ... explains, here the beriyah, the tzurah is מוחשית of something else, I have to check. There's no tzurah here, it's something in the stomach, something. It's not a vadai, it's just saying ro'i, but stomach. So you're saying that by dam kashe there's a real shailah, there's not a real shailah by dam kashe? What are you saying by dam kashe? It is a shailah, it's not a shailah. First day is saying it's probably dam. So why are you tamei when it's probably? So check. If you have a safek, clarify it. ... אף על פי שקשה ואינו מיאך, טמאה. So why don't you check? Stomach, so check. No, no, I'm working with what it says. I'm asking you to check it. You check us dam, the blood. The ... בדיקה בשפיר. Check it. What is it? No, teretz is dam also doesn't dissolve sometimes. It's just that when it's a tzurah and it doesn't dissolve. And what's the second man damar? ... בדיקה. Why do you have to check it, regardless of tzurah? It dissolves. Why? Dam will never, ever stay kashe for whatever, 25 minutes. What's bothering me is like this. First man damar, which is what we pasken, if it's eino נימוח, so we know it's blood, tamei. And the second opinion is ... בדיקה. Why? So if you look at the Shach, the Shach explains that we pasken like the first man damar because he's saying the right thing. He's saying that it's dam, it's dam. What's to talk about? Now the reason why there's a shria by kartin, says the Acharonim, ... we'll say the svara, because it might be offa. It might be offa. But if it's dam, it's dam. Dam kasher, dam. I'm asking, so what's the second opinion, that you have to have a second check? What do you need a second check for? What's the shria? What's the ma'alah of shria? So he's saying it's more thorough check. So what do you need it for? Temeiah. V'yesh omrim shegam bazeh tzarich bedikah b'shria. Tzarich. How do you know that it's eino nima'ech if you're not doing shria? There's two different things. There's nima'ech, it doesn't crack, and then there's shria, b'mayim. ... What is the case? It doesn't crack? It's synthetic. And this one doesn't do it, because you tried. Eino nima'ech. You tried. And you don't have to do shria on that. It says, af al pi kein, v'yesh omrim shetzarich bedikah b'shria. So what do you need it for? What's the second ... bedikah b'shria? What do you need it for? That's the svara, we already said. Huh? It's a better test.

It's not moyach. It's merely you're choshesh that it's dam; it's tamei. There doesn't seem—dam doesn't seem like. Birya, turah, usually it's a tzad that it's not dam. Here it's not. Now that it wasn't moyach, suffix itself is... Maybe it's dam because it doesn't have any... Once you have a suffix dam—yeah, but also not moyach, so maybe it's actually not dam. What do you need? But it's suffix. You don't need anything. You have to be machriah safek. You're saying you have two things opposite. There's no turah that... What is the lashon of gamul zeh tzarich? You need sheriyah b'mayim. You don't need anything. You need to be metaher her. The other way around. Dam l'zeh tzarich, you need to be madeh bedikah to be metaher her. You don't need... You might need bedikah to be taher her, maybe. You don't need to be metaher or not. Yeah, if it's einah moyach, the suffix is strong enough that she should come. And that's what he's saying, and that's what the Shach is saying, because once you're saying einah moyach, you know that it's probably dam. Why would you need—why is there a halachah of tzarich bedikah gamul zeh? I'm not going to let you go away. Spend time learning this, what? You went and you had chashash something not good, right? The reason to be mevarer is if you want to be metaher, not metamei. Now, you don't know what she is, so you came and said there could be she's tahor. The bedikah, but here you can't say she's tahor without the bedikah, because it's the same night. Here you have a raya already that it's a dam. You have a raya. The first halacha says it's dam. What's the pshat? What's the second halacha? What tzorech do you need? What do you need? She should be tovel in the mikvah. Now you want to be metaher her, so you make a bedikah. Before you could come and say, אינה טמאה, you know what she's saying? She might be tehorah. This is, you have to know that in order to remain tahor, you have to make a bedikah. Or you could come and say she might be tamei. So what is the bedikah for? To help her. Here the taich is she's tamei. So what was the bedikah for? The bedikah is to make her tamei? To help her. To help her what? After the tzorech. Then it's not tzorech. Why can't this be the chiyuv to help a woman is also called a chiyuv? You want to make the tevilah, go put it in water. Why can't that be also a chiyuv on the rov to do that? Now you're saying it's a baalus chiddush. You know who said this chiddush? Me. That's what we're saying. I'm trying to get at that it has nothing to do with safek. I'm trying to get at that it has nothing to do with safek. I'm trying to say there's a din, din of the Gemara, how to proceed procedurally on this halacha. After that, there's halachos that you have to make. I don't answer the question. It's not the beer. It's not the beer, the subject. It doesn't matter which way you're working against. That's right. It doesn't really make a difference which way you're working, for or against. It's a protocol. It's a protocol. I hold this siman is about protocol. The dikas chart is about protocol. Okay, I'll give you a beautiful example, yeah? You know, driveway here. Okay, listen to me here. You know, when you want to get WIC or HUD, they take a blood test. WIC for the children, they take a blood test from the baby, right? The baby could come with a letter from the doctor that is 100% healthy. You still have to take that blood test. Protocol. You come to WIC, there's a blood...

Okay. There's a blood test, literally here, a blood test, called bedika u'shriya b'mayim. And this manhag is saying that even though there's a chashash tzemeya, because we see that it's dam, ... yesh omrim shegam l'zeh tzarich bedika u'shriya. I'm sorry, tzarich bedika u'shriya, because halacha how to do it. I'm going to take a small break from this topic, meaning I'm going to go into an easier topic to show you the psak that I just told you, how it's nogea halacha l'maaseh, in a different nekudah in this sugya. You ready? There's a whole shaila in the poskim. Hey, in the back. If you have these kartis, is this bedika klot mukh? On Shabbos, is it mukh? Fortsvi. Wow. So there's two parts to the shaila. The first part of the shaila is the kartin themselves. Why? There's no tzorech. There's a second צד to the shaila, the fourth. So if you look in the Acharonim, ... He doesn't talk about over here. The karsen is muktzah on Shabbos. What's the problem with ...? ... has no tzorech, therefore you're not allowed to move it on Shabbos. So there's a psak from Rav Shlomo Zalman that the karsen themselves are not muktzah. No, they're muktzah. There's no need for it. There's no need for it. Agav, okay, there's another very big shaila. How could you ever make a bedikah on Shabbos? So if you look at the Shulchan Aruch HaRav, the ... says there might be a problem. What is it? It makes a difference. You're now ... on Shabbos. A Band-Aid. Okay, a Band-Aid, the pshat is either it's medicine or it's ... You didn't ... So there's a few issues. The first thing is the disposable might be no problem. Rav Shlomo Zalman came in with a different heter. Rav Shlomo Zalman said he's not mechaven. Since you're not mechaven, there's no problem. What there is, if you don't want. You want to see what everything's like. You don't want the beged to be tzavua. You want the... What if it's yellow or green some color? Is that fine with you? Avada you want the red, but you don't want the beged to be red. You're not looking for the beged. You just want red. You want a catchy thing. You don't want the beged. You're not looking for the beged to be changed. You'd rather have it be green. Whatever it is, you'd rather have it be clean. Whatever, you'd rather have it clean. You're not looking for that. You're looking to catch the mitzvah. What about the eid itself? So, ... comes up with the Gevalia chiddush. He says that the eid is not... because you can always give shiurim on Shabbos and use it. So for me, the tartan would be asur, these things would be asur, just like uphar has no tzorech. Mashenkein this would be mutar. Okay. Very interesting shaila, no? If you take a look at the Minchas Yitzchak, Minchas Yitzchak and other acharonim, they come up with two other svaros why viduyks aren't asur on Shabbos. First thing is, it's ra'ui l'klav. A dog would like...

I don't know what door. But be very hungry, you know. But if you were talking about the Arabs, you don't have to come out to them. They would eat. Of course, don't take blood. He likes blood. He likes anything is mutar. Don't happen to like blood. ... You shouldn't be ... on Shabbos. Don't, don't, don't happen to love blood. Oh yeah? Yeah, it's the whole thing, right away, ... blood. What if it's not blood even particularly? Let's just look on it. It's weird stuff. It's weird stuff. Whatever. ... All right, listen, we'll have to speak to ... I think ... grooving. Last time they'll say ... Okay? Another svara, min chatzi ... ... ... has a heter. What's a mitzvah? Tell me something. A person comes ... I want to tie the ... I want to say ... He wants to tie a woman to ... Tell me, I have a shayla. To clean the house on Shabbos with a... yeah? Tell me, would a vacuum cleaner be muktzah? Because it has electric. Would a... broom. Well, a broom is not muktzah. I'm saying anything that, because of this, there's a mitzvah, so it itself becomes a mitzvah. Something to beat out the rugs. Huh? There's no melachah involved, but you call that a mitzvah. Can you call that a chesed shel mitzvah? Huh? Yeah, but it's not the mitzvah. The mitzvah is to be... Rather, you wanted to actually... so rather the cloth... I want to ta'ina a moredik word. I want to ta'ina that there's a... Yeah, I'll ask you a kashya. So according to you, what happens if it's not negea to after Shabbos? You know, so then what, it's muktzah? Yeah, it's not negea to after Shabbos. So you look... It's not negea. Well, you can bring it to after Shabbos to the rav. What does it matter? It's always negea now. It's what you're now. No, there shouldn't have been. There shouldn't have been. Which day is it going to be? She has to do another... today. Yeah, so she puts it away, and then she shows it to the rav a different time. She shows it now. She has to make the bedikah. Then afterwards. What's important, what's important? Tzarich bedikah. Tzarich bedikah. There's a chiyuv, like karton, to make a bedikah because part of the yesod of middah is l'havdil bein hatamei uvein hatahor. It's not a din of sfeikos, are you mutar or are you not mutar. The din of bedikah is part of the chiyuv of taharas nidah. Is there an inyan to show the rav right away? Sometimes it's more better to show the rav right away. It stays the next day, it gets dry, and the whole shailah when you're supposed to show the rav. That's just a dvar mitzvah, to make a bedikah. I want to try to making a bedikah. Why? Part of middah is bedikah. The whole inyan... What's the mitzvah? L'havdil bein dam tahor l'dam tahor. We don't know how to do that.

The mitzvah of Torah learning. The mitzvah is that a woman should be b'cheskas tahorah tamei. This is one of the ingredients, just like ingredients in food, one of the ingredients is to make sure it's kosher, a woman is to make the bedikah. Yeah, yeah. It's תמיד. It's תמיד. But l'maaseh she can make a bedikah, l'maaseh she could show it to the rav, there's אין שאלה to the rav right away. Why do you have to have the Shabbos? There's no problem b'Shabbos. Only when there's a... That's what I'm saying, m'meila there's no problem with chatilah. That's what I'm trying to say, it's not muktzah. It becomes not muktzah. Since there's a halacha... there's דין... ... the versus the muktzah l'chatchilah. He's not happy yet. I know. I'm pushing the envelope. I'm pushing, pushing further and further. Again, are you masking to me that it's very interesting, from the beginning, from the get-go, she's tameiah v'hu shiyur. What does v'hu shiyur have to do with it? You have a chiyuv bedikah, you have a chiyuv to be bodek sfeikos. Why is her tameiah v'hu shiyur? Huh? What is the next halacha? She's tameiah, right? ... What do you need bedikah b'mayim? The teretz is that nidah is toleh on l'havra, toleh tamei v'tahor. Even temeiah, where you could be bodek for temeiah, then the taich is that itself is temeiah dependent on the birur of temeiah. What? Let's say in the second day, a safek of a dikah is lost. We never were bodek. So why do we—we never—let's say there was never a chance the bedikah was destroyed. Yeah, a bedikah got lost. Sorry, that's what I'm telling you. If it's a safek absolute re'iyah, there's no absolute re'iyah, what are you going to do? I just started telling you. But if the taich is that these halachos of temeiah is dependent on temeiah plus the birur, then, it might be a problem. You were supposed to—huh? She's a safek. She can't say it's not absolute re'iyah anymore. Okay, let's see a little bit further. Let's see a little bit further. Okay. How many of these cartons do you have to check? How many do you have to check? Many. That makes sense, right? According to the Rama, huh? You hear what I'm saying? Kiddushin. You see, let me tell you, I want you to think. I want you to learn how to think midah. I want you to hear midah. This topic is a trained topic, because it's all about a technique of shriya, which, interestingly enough, we're going to discuss if we have to. We don't do this. We don't do it. So let's discuss. I want to discuss. First of all, three points, okay? Three points. How many do you have to check? What happens if the carton are that small that I almost can't see them? Third of all, my third question is, today, that we don't know how to do it, what happens? I want you to read about all three points. What happens, you hear? Nu? Yeah, why not? Go ahead. I'm tired. I have a lot. So get to the first point. Let's start with the first point. How many of these cartons do you have to check? Who says it? Who, who, who, who, who? Yeah? He just says. Continue. Oh, in case you can't do all of them.

Not so, right? You have a דברי חיים says, don't worry. Why? Because they're too small, or because... what happened here? Then it's ... yeah. ... go ahead, yeah. Okay. Good? Got to check it, yeah. But you don't have to check all. The question he's saying, ... The question he's saying is, you have a choice, ... blah, blah, blah, blah. It's all blah, blah, blah. ... you can't. ... Okay. Okay. What about in case they're too small and you can't see them? What happens then? Does he bring over here from the Chochmas Adam? Yeah. Has to look like sesame. Go ahead, yeah. That's how big they are. It has to be nikar. Go ahead. But ... Don't worry about it, okay? So they're trying to say, this is a very famous Chazon Ish. The Chazon Ish says that we don't have the karka that this place matzui. We have other ones, an af al pi kein, and af al pi kein, the Chazon Ish says you could be somech on the big ones, that they're very small, don't worry about it. Comes along the Shevet HaLevi and the Chut Shani, Karelitz, and they say, yeah, but it will definitely be an eino baduk. If they're that small, it might be dirty. So once it's dirty, the bechlal ruined the whole thing. It might be dirty. Once you think that it might be dirt, so then the whole thing is not ראוי לבדיקה anymore. It's called an eino baduk. Okay. Shevet HaLevi says that's not true. It doesn't make a difference how big. He brings a Shevet HaLevi there. Did you bring the Daas HaChokim? Okay, there's a sheet of Shevet HaLevi everybody talks about. Who is the Shevet HaLevi? The Shevet HaLevi was Rav Nissim Karelitz, the great Rav Nissim Karelitz. She'eilah u'meishiv, question and answer. You go to Shas teshuvos from many, many. Go in the mekoros haTorah, you say She'eilah u'meishiv, they have no idea who you're talking about. A lot of the people from the ... about Acharonim, they know the She'eilah u'meishiv was ... Anybody who has any sheichus literally knows about the She'eilah u'meishiv. She'eilah u'meishiv was goyen adir. Reb Avadi probably knows every line and every part of the She'eilah u'meishiv. The Baal HaTanya, Reb Netzunson, ... many, many teshuvos. So one of his chiddushim is, no matter how small the carton, if it's capable to be checked, you must check it. ... Why should you check it? How can there be such a machlokes? Now do the third point. What happens? No. Yeah, no. What was the first point was? No, the first point was we said that in case it gets lost, then it's ... The second point is in case it's very small, and we said the third point. What was the third point? No. Oh, today, if we can do it today. Let's see if we can do it today. Yeah. That's not, bizman hazeh, that's not ... We can't do it. No, bichlal, if we know ... we're not checking today.

Oh, here. The dikuk is ... chas v'chalila. ... ein ona b'kiin b'dikduk. We don't know how to do this. Go ahead. יש להוסיף דברי המהרם, בן שקצת השערות, מין קליפה ... אף על פי שאין קשין כאבן, מטמא ... לא כתוב שיעור טהרה לידי בדיקה. ... יש מאחרים שכתב שגם העיד מבקיאים בזה, ... ספר שערי לוי ... אף על פי שמדברי הרמ״א והש״ך מוכח שבקיאים, למעשה אינו ... Now, you're gonna get a chiddush nifla from Rabbi Wolk. Ready? No, the shviyah, the whole thing about shechita, we don't know how to do it. We don't know this whole melachah. I said, whatever, the shviyah. We don't know what pishrim is. We don't know this whole ... Ready? The pishrim is like the roiv. What's wrong with ... We don't know. Whatever it is, we don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it, okay? Some say we do, some say we don't. Let me ask you a question. We don't know how to go to a lab, check if some ... is very ... called testing it with a microscope. Test. Bishloima to go look for something that's not there, I understand. The Gemara say that there was a chiyuv bedikah, and because we don't know how to make the bedikah, how about to check what it is? Why not? Why not? Why not? The bedika that you're mechuyav, you just can't do it. So do you know? Do you know that the she'eilah lady says the bedika that we could check? He says by the sefarad he has a whole way how to check. He came up with a good... Go ahead, yeah. Two ways how to do these bedikos today. We can't do what the shriyah, we don't know that, but we know something else. Yeah, yeah. How do you check? Yeah, let me hear. DNA. Regular checking. No, he says you have to... But he has a way how to check. It's not this piece. Get the she'eilah lady. Bring me the she'eilah lady. He has a whole way how to check. So the whole life cycle. Do you know that if I didn't train myself, I wouldn't be able to ... because I have so much going on in my mind. You don't know. As you get older, learn. This is what I do right now, and I block everything out, and by Torah, I see even more than that. You will learn that eventually the best escape, the best outlet ... because Dovid HaMelech, he knew how to run away. Whole life, he knew how to run away. And I ran away. ... That's what Dovid HaMelech did. Somebody would read to him and they would think, you know, this beautiful life, ... the beautiful thing that came out from somebody that had lost הכל. The whole ... started from him.

The beautiful point, by Hashem, by Hashem, and by Hashem, obviously we too. Did anybody read it? The whole thing is marah b'sorah. That's the whole—every piece of Tehillim is tremendous tragedy. Especially, you shouldn't think—you know what it is? That a guy's own son was moirid in him to kill him. It's something that just doesn't happen. I once told you this. You know this, Dovid HaMelech had to go through every situation of tzarah in order that the Tehillim that he created should fit for every maaseh in Klal Yisrael when they need it. Every type of tzaar possible is in Tehillim, and Dovid had to go through it so in order that when he writes Tehillim, it can... for every person. Klal Yisrael should go through it. You know, I told you too many times. I said it too many times. I hope it... Klal Yisrael should go through every type of matzav, so Dovid had to go through it. He should make Tehillim on every matzav. It's the weirdest tzaros Dovid HaMelech had. The weirdest—does that make sense? Dovid, you're going to be born for seventy years of tzaros, and you're going to make a Tehillim that, you know, bizyonos, ridicule, anything you can think of. Even the disappointment of teshuvah, and to do teshuvah, and how to do teshuvah—it's all Dovid HaMelech. All Dovid HaMelech. All Dovid HaMelech. Bas Sheva, it's all Dovid HaMelech. All, he had to go through every single... His brothers hated him. It's unbelievable. Anything you could—anything that could go wrong, you know, what's his history? What's the guy's history? What's the guy's theory? Anything can go wrong. What's the guy's name? Murphy's Law. There's Davar Acher's law. Anything which not could go wrong, anything that I could dream up that could go wrong, will go wrong. Not anything that could, because this is what couldn't happen; it happened. Murphy's saying that could go wrong will go wrong. Davar Acher's law is anything that couldn't even go wrong will go wrong. You remember I taught you. The Rambam said there's Murphy's Law, that anything that could go wrong will go wrong, and then there's Davar Acher: anything that couldn't have gone wrong still went. And he came out above; he came out on top. We'll talk. Go ahead. How do you bite? We don't do it anymore. We don't do it anymore. He doesn't have it. Oh, it's here. Remember I told you, remember? I once went and I asked—my brother was a big lech—so my brother went. He wants to ask, where is the Shatnez lab in Tory? And it was right in front of the Shatnez lab. We were standing in front of the Shatnez lab. So he asked the guy, Where's the Shatnez lab in Tory? The guy said, Oh, it's right here. So my brother goes, Oh, I just wanted to double check. Yeah, another—another—another ... another way how to do it. Yeah, they do that ... Oh, put the ... into ... lines. You put it into ... You know what he's talking about? He's talking about a chemical, a chemical dissolver. That's what he's talking about. Chemicals. When I saw this ... I was dancing. I thought, oh, he said what I want. He knows how to learn. What's the chiddush? Am I mechuyiv to go make bedikos, yeah, that nobody else thought of? Let's say I would come with a chemical that shows me that. What'd he say? What he said is, he's saying that carcinogens many times come from the bladder. You take the urine, being the ... is discarded, and some of the other carcinogens. Wait, something that's possible to get it, but chemicals is hard to get it, with a microscope. It's hard to find. That's what he's saying here. Okay, I understand, but I'm asking, are you a chach? Should you come up with a medical chach? Okay, you think I trust, I don't see it, but believe you me, it's irrelevant. I just, when I skim through the ... is there a test that you can ... when I saw it, I thought, wow, wow.

This is an old shaila. Should you come up with the amtzais on how to figure out, medically how to do it? And the teretz says, I don't know kimuchuyos. I don't know kimuchuyos. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. He does bring this. He gives a case of how to do it, how to figure it out. I don't know. It's not brought down Shulchan Aruch. Maybe there was a protocol, and who says? Here, tell me, if you could have another way to figure out a baby's healthy. You still take a blood test? Maybe that's the protocol. Maybe. The protocol is a blood test. The protocol is shria b'mayim. That's Reb Chacham l'masach. There's a missing; to be vaydik that way. Okay. Final and last: im badka gimel pe'amim tahoros. Oh, I didn't answer the other two nekudos. So what is the shaila if it's that small that I can't check? If that's small that I... I mean, see if it's there. What do you mean? What are the arguments? Bameh cholt? And also, do I have to check all of them or I don't have to check all of them? I thought if it's kol ma d'efshi livdok, livdok. So do it. No? Isn't that the klal? You know, there's a whole thing: I checked three lettuces from the box. It's too hard, but if it's not too hard, so hard to check carrots? Why do you only check three? That's good enough. You know what's the teretz? Pshat is that this is not al mivarina. There was a din bedikah. So once you did the protocol of the bedikah, the bedikah is three times. That's the sample, the blood test. It's not a blood test. It's a blood sample. The blood sample, not a blood test, okay? Do you know the difference between a thing and a—what do they call that? A prescription and a sample? Take a sample. Give you a small—give you a small sample, try. You don't have to—blood sample. If you held the bedikah is the way the Chazal were kovea the bedikah, then it's a blood sample. You like it? Nice. Nice word. Now let's do the last thing. In bedikah gimel, pamin, then it's tahor. Yeah, go ahead. The Rama. Now go ahead, the Rama. Rama, Rama, Rama, Rama, Rama, Rama, Rama, Rama. Let's go. Three times. Dafka b'isha sheyesh lah veses, shelo b'shaas veses. Dafka b'isha. Sheyesh lah veses, shelo b'shaas veses. Oh, okay. Comes along the Shach. The Shach says, Not true. It shouldn't make a nafka mina. That's what the Shach keeps contesting. Read the Shach. He says, Not true. Not true, Rama. I like you. I usually pasken like you, but this time I'm gonna have to, you know, break rank. Break rank. Go ahead, says the Shach. ... bein shaas veses ... Lo damya l'de'eil. ... dam l'hedya. She saw dam l'hedya. Oh, not ... here. Aval hacha, harei eino ro'eh dam ... yevesh ... Hilchah, according to the Shach's ... Sefer, make it like the Shach. He says the Shach is right. What are they arguing? What is the Ramo and Shach—what's going on? The Shach is saying a ... You see the chazakah. What is the Ramo and the Shach arguing? What are they arguing? Ramo is crazy? The Ramo... Thank good the Shach. They're saying that since he's b'shas, since what she says is not enough to make a safek, you hear? So why would you have to check? Again, tell them—teach them what the Shach is saying. What does the Shach say? Says that since this is over yovesh, it's not blood, it's not a ... it's a different thing. So you don't have to worry. You need something else, maybe it's actually ... You don't really have to be ... What is the Ramo? So first of all, let's go back to the original shailah. Are you ... and the bedikos to be metaher you, or it's the other way around?

The Rambam might have held was a yotzei, and the ... is מתיר. Hashein kein the shach obviously is screaming, No, no, no, you just stop. So point to the Shach, what's the point? Once you ... there's no point to check. Dilma, that's what the Rambam is saying. Dilma the Rambam held ... And the only time there's a point is only the Shach says. Tell me something: are we mechayev that you should make bedikos every day that you might be tahor? ... Should you be goydek with your tahor? There's no reason to be goydek. ... they make a chiyuv bedikah? When you see achbushim ... do they make a chiyuv bedikah? Tell me, do we pasken ... vestos d'Oraisa, vestos d'Rabbanan, and af al pi kein you l'choira to be bodek? Why? Remember what we said, what did we say? Protocol. Protocol. Chazal said vestos d'Rabbanan, so it's not a real safek, but af al pi kein, worry about it. The achbushim is not maybe a real safek. The Rambam is not arguing with the Shach. The Rambam is not saying, I don't ... there's some things to be afraid of, the boogeyman, and the Shach is saying don't be afraid of the boogeyman. Everybody maybe holds. That's one way to learn. Maybe we can learn the Rama holds that you're tamei, you stop, and you need to be metaher, and the Shach holds you're tahor and you just. Like Dilma, they both agree you're tahor. Just like the Shach says that by ketanah you should check something, so too they made a takanah you should check them. This, this to go check. Tzarich bedikah shriyah b'mayim. Would you have to go make some other type of test? Maybe not. Tell me, does a woman have to go Shabbos? Wait a minute, don't eat. Wait a minute. Let's say a woman can't make her bedikah b'Shabbos. She can't make her bedikah b'Shabbos. I want you to write this down. I want you to write this down. Mah hadin b'isha sheyesh lah petzem liflo'ot, okay, b'makom, b'makom, in that place. And therefore it's really too hard for her to make a bedikah. Yoinvesh, should you be mesuyev to go and check a different way? It's not a gris. It's not a gris. You know they can tell it's not a gris. How? Should you check? Should you check in the urine? They can tell from the urine. Maybe not. Maybe it's a chumrah, that's all. If the protocol was bedikah, you cannot check. That's Ravah. But they were mesaken the bedikah. That's how we learn bedikah b'Shabbos. Could be. Now I understand those seats. The seifa begins with this. You hear? The seifa begins with this: Kol dam hayotzei min haishah, bein lachah, bein yavesh, teme'ah. V'lo od, ela afilu yotzei min hatzuras beriyah, k'mi klipah, she'hi teme'ah v'hu she'eino me'akev. Hu she'eino me'akev. They were metaher on this perspective. Hu she'eino me'akev. Not a birur on the saf. Just like by vest, she's teme'ah without a bedikah, she's teme'ah without a... What happens after the vest? Over havest, she's lo bodekes. Over havest, lo bodekes. She's teme'ah ad shetivdok. That's the same thing. Teme'ah ad shetivdok. Read the words: teme'ah ad she... Same language. Teme'ah v'hu...

It's not temeiah, and then there's a bedikah between the vaad. Temeiah ad. Protocol. Temeiah ad. Temeiah ad sheyimoch. Okay, I want you to repeat over. ... I invite you and wish you a wonderful ... Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. There's a procedure how a person is supposed to do, how to deal with the ... We don't have any ... that comes out to say she's probably tameiah. We don't know. Do I know what she is? What are the protocols? How now we're מסakin a protocol based on expertise of ... Go ahead. Once that test is done, that's when her status is ... Till it's done, she's a safek. Now, let me see even a bigger chiddush. I want to say something between ... Shalu l'rofei. What does it mean, shalu l'rofei? Why is it important for the Gemara to tell us that they went to ask? It's so important. What's the point of stressing that they went and asked? Just say it works, whatever. We'll tell you how Chazal come and tell you how it works. What is Chazal, shalu l'rofei, and they went and they asked the doctor? What's the point of it? What's the idea of asking the doctor? Protocol. Protocol. What they're doing is they're paskening, they're not paskening. What they're doing is based on ... Procedure. Halacha in action. They took the procedure of bedika that was, I guess, in those times, and they said, you know what, let's introduce, let's incorporate that bedika into halacha. I want you to know that when you hang around the, you know, Rabbi ... of the toisfos bedika, there's protocol. A lot of the ... is about protocol. A woman comes with this, what's the procedure? And the answer, it's just like a doctor. ... Let's say she comes and she says that she lost a bedika. It's a knas. Who made up the procedure? It's protocol. When she comes with this, they call the doctor. We ask the doctor. That procedure and protocol, that comes from the Gemara, Shulchan Aruch. You know, there's a whole sugya. There's a whole sugya of ne'emones haro'eh. We're going to learn about ne'emones haro'eh. By nida, it's very clear, very clear, a nida about the Shulchan Aruch. Meaning, there's an emphasis in nida about Shulchan Aruch. You know what I think the pshat is? I'll tell you what I think the pshat is. Nida is a medical issue. Meaning, it's about the medical of the choleh. We could call it a choli, we could call it an illness, which we discussed. Is a choli, is an illness. And therefore, the medical procedures of verification of the choleh is apparent in the halacha. Let me explain to you what I mean. Sometimes, halacha is so and so. Then there's another medical way of how to find out. For example, there's a medical way of figuring out if something's chametz. How can we don't go with medical procedures to figure out something? Then the Gemara says, let's say matzah, kanei chagav. There's simanim for a matzah, chagav. Right? Tzadik, kanei chagav. My question to you is, why don't today, in general, if we could come medical, huh? I heard somebody do that. And what, if you figure out with matzah, huh? Two? What's his name? What? You see? That's why.

I'm telling you, what you will hear coming out of my mouth, you will not hear anywhere besides people who are really, really intelligent in halacha. I was learning about this all my life. Should you go figure out—thank you so much. I was thinking about it. Should a person go today and find out a chometz to matzah through a system? There's a system how to figure out something chometz to matzah. And you know what the answer is? Definitely not, because it's not a medical issue. It's not a chemical issue. It's not a science issue. But science issues, yes, is based on the expertise and the bedikus of science. Yachbushim—forget about these in general, but yachbushim in particular—it's something wrong. The way to check it is by... The way to check it is how the medical doctor checks. ... Halacha is telling you there's no problem. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. And the last is done. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I wanted to finish the shiur with. What would happen if you did all this, and then in a medical test they came and told you that it is done? But we don't follow them. Very nice. Follow Shmuel. Should really chazer. I'm opening up to you layers of halacha, layers of halacha havanah. You hear my vort? You hear my vort? You hear my finish? It's very shayach that the protocol takes precedence over the medical reality, or maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe the reason why it became protocol is because medically that's the way. So today medically we have a different way to check it, that's the way to check it. Maybe ... Exactly. Could we go and bust the chol, figure out chemistry? I don't know. I don't know. It's not a chemistry issue. You heard it by ... Exactly, because the porcelain, you see, because the ... right, the latest porcelain, right, that's ... by porcelain, because they tied it in by ... That's it. That's ... halacha. Protocol, science, okay, we'll stop right here. We finished Kuf Pei Ches, now, im yirtzeh Hashem, Sukkos. After Sukkos, fresh Kuf Pei Tes. Let's go. Yes. Only if you don't open up the shul. We spoke about it. We can make something on Sukkos. One day, ... we'll play music. Okay, now I really do big drum. They're gonna throw us out. You know the way. How many cars on the block? One here. Some of them, they know they play. I don't call it a lute guitar. Guitar, violin, guitar, violin. If you want to... again. I want to know, what is the ... about this? We made music. They know how to play. If they would then come out, I can't get them to do it. We don't have a keyboard. We don't have a keyboard. We have a drum. Keyboard. Really. He plays the keyboard, and he sings. Why she plays the drum? It's shy if he ever comes back. I don't know what happens if he has so many disappear off the face here. Let me check. You saw Shai recently? ... I thought he did go to...