Kadesh: The Four Cups, Kiddush on Seder Night, and Simchas Yom Tov

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Bogenier is gavarui. שיעורim the next few days, weeks. I said 30 days, someone caught me and said, What? Two weeks, not 30 days. Al kol panim, we're going to go lefi the seder of the Haggadah. I know, not the text of the Haggadah, but the simanim of the Haggadah: Kadesh, Urchatz, Karpas. So we're going to start with Kadesh, which is the first kos of the Arba Kosos. Arba psachim סמוך למנחה, לא יאכל אדם עד שתחשך, אפילו עני שבישראל לא יאכל עד שיסב. Is it? He shouldn't eat till he has a proper heseibah, the means for proper heseibah. לא יפחתו לו מארבע כוסות יין, ואפילו מן התמחוי. You must make sure that he has arba kosos, even if you're giving him that he's such a big ani from the tamchui. Tamchui is the stronger degree of an ani; he gets from the charity chest of the community. So, לא יפחתו לו מארבע כוסות. So the shaila is, why is this the halacha, לא יפחתו לו מארבע כוסות? I mean, ליפחות לו ממצה and מרור, and, I mean, there's so many other halachos of the night of Pesach. So what's לא יפחתו לו מארבע כוסות? Why would the Mishnah choose arba kosos? They should say, לא יפחתו לו ... לסעודה, whatever he's needed for the seudah, לא יפחתו לו מארבע כוסות. Also, if you take a look, the Rashbam, Rashi, they explain the Arba Kosos כנגד ארבע לשונות גאולה, אמור בגלות מצרים: והוצאתי אתכם, והצלתי, וגאלתי. Why would the Mishnah, why would the Rashbam and the Rishonim feel the need to tell us why we have Arba Kosos here in the Mishnah? It's not me'akev. I mean, there's a Gemara, why we have Arba Kosos. What's it me'akev to this halacha in the Mishnah? Leave the Arba Kosos. Now you have to explain here, unless he talks about matzah, and the Rashbam's going to say because it says in the pasuk that, לא יאכלו בתיכם לחמץ. The Gemara says, the pasuk says you have to eat matzah. The Gemara tells us you have to have Arba Kosos. So here in the Mishnah, the peirush of the Mishnah, it's important to bring that there's Arba לשונות של גאולה, חידוש נפלא. The Rashi and the Rashbam both bring right away, כנגד ארבע לשונות גאולה, אמור בגלות מצרים. It's not the text of the Mishnah. The Mishnah is about that you're chayav to give. Why the Geonim? No. Who was bothered? All the years this kashya bothered. If you also take a look at the end of the Rashbam, he says a chiddush: ואפילו הוא מתפרנס מתמחוי של צדקה, דהיינו עני שבעניים. ... אפילו הכי, אם לא נתנו לו גבאי צדקה, ימכור את מלבושו או ילווה או ימשכן את עצמו בשביל יין לארבע כוסות. So I don't understand what this Mishnah wants. ... שחייב ... אחרה ... אורחא דמילתא נקט, שרגיל ליתן. I don't know what he wants. He should have said, vilda. I don't see the whole Mishnah, that you're mechuyiv to give him, and why would you not give? So the teretz is he's mechuyiv to give, right? And he's not mechuyiv to give matzos, he's not mechuyiv to give the other things. I don't know what the Mishnah wants, bichlal. And then the Mishnah says, Afilu hu misparnes mi'tamchui tzedakah, hainu ani shebanim, afilu hachi lo naslo gabei tzedakah, im kesmalbusho. So actually what you're trying to say is not that he should go to the tamchui, but that the tamchui doesn't give him, he should go sell himself. But that's not what it says in the Mishnah. The whole text of the Mishnah is a muddled Mishnah, a strange Mishnah. I don't know what you're telling me, halachos. I mean, what are you trying to teach me, that he's supposed to lower himself to go to the tamchui? I mean, why would he not go? He probably goes always to the tamchui. He doesn't go to the tamchui, this person? He probably does go. Ela mai, the chiddush is what? That he goes to the tamchui, and like the Rashbam says, that if not, he has to go somewhere else. It's not part of the Mishnah. What is the pshat in this whole Mishnah? So, rabosai, let me tell you a nice...

You don't see the questions. Some very simple questions. The first question is, Lo yifchesu lo me'arba kosos. I mean, what about the rest of the meal? There's matzos, maror. When a person comes to the rav, what do you think he gives him what? He gives him only wine? He gives him everything. He gives him matzos also. Unless you say matzos was ma'is chitim and besides ma'is chitim. But what about the other foods of the seder? It's an interesting ha'arah. What is this Mishnah, arba kosos? Second of all, what is the... because ma'is chitim is a tax of the city. I'm saying maybe the... I don't know, but maybe that's the minhag was. The minhag was that you have to... Not arba kosos. The question, the question. Yes, a good... you say it's peshita, that's the chiddush. That's what I'm... That's why I'm saying. I want to say there could be a chiddush in daled kosos, that we chose daled kosos over other things for a reason. And that's also going to explain the mitzvah Hashem, why He brings the arba leshonos geulah, and that's what's going to be that if he has to go sell himself. We're going to discuss all of this, okay? What's the geulah for? Let me just first say the raya. Oh, you want me to say the yesod before the raya? Okay, I hold that this Mishnah is telling me a chiddush, that even though arba kosos is only derabbanan, even though it's only derabbanan, still, lo yifchesu lo me'arba kosos, and then he might have to sell himself for it. Wait a minute, you have to be quiet when you give a shiur. Ela mai, come and say, so why takkeh isn't mechuyiv to go to such an extent for a derabbanan? And the teretz is, keneged arba leshonos geulah ha'amurim b'galus Mitzrayim, that it's supposed to be zecher l'geulah, kirsumei nisa. So on one hand, it's very important. It's not just a regular minhag in the seder, the daled kosos. And even if it's d'Rabbanan, it's not some regular d'Rabbanan, but it's a very chamurdik d'Rabbanan. That's the yesod of today's shiur. The yesod of today's shiur is to say, true, it's d'Rabbanan, but it has a lot of strict, stringencies. It's not a regular, regular d'Rabbanan. As we will show you through Chazal, through the Rishonim, and through the halachah l'maaseh, the daled kosos takes on a stricter chiyuv of adherence. It's a chumrah to daled kosos. Maror is not zechirah l'geulah; it's not zecher l'pesachim. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Okay, so we're going to—maror is not zecher l'persumei nisa. Daled kosos is persumei nisa. We'll talk about it. How do I know this? Because it's the Rishonim. Okay. Let us begin by analyzing what is daled kosos. Let's get to the core of the shailah. Mahu daled kosos? What is daled kosos? Let's begin: is it a d'Oraisa or d'Rabbanan? So the Gemara in Pesachim, daf kuf yud zayin amud beis, says, Daled kosos, takinu Rabbanan derech cheirus. Kol echad v'echad ba mitzvah. So it's an open, clear Gemara that daled kosos is takanas Rabbanan. Could you run away from such a statement? Could you deny such a statement? It's an open statement. Daled kosos takinu Rabbanan derech cheirus. Kol echad l'eved bo mitzvah. Remember such a Gemara? It's kuf yud zayin amud beis after the Mishnah. Okay, who wants to read it? Fast. Shehiya, flow. Daled kosos, tekanah d'Rabbanan, no? ... Therefore, we have Kiddush, Haggadah, Birchas Hamazon, Hallel. Mimeila, you can't really run away from the lashon of tekanah d'Rabbanan. Okay. I didn't say anything. All the Gemara clearly says that the Rabbanan were mesaken daled kosos. You're not trying to tell me it's d'Oraisa, because it's not. ... Okay. I mean, that's what the Gemara says. The Gemara says tekanah d'Rabbanan; it's only a d'Rabbanan. Daled kosos is strictly a d'Rabbanan. Now, let me show you where the waters get shady. Kiddush is not d'Oraisa. Kiddush al hakos is not d'Oraisa. Birchas Hamazon is d'Oraisa; al hakos is not d'Oraisa. Still, whatever you're going to throw at me, there's no Rashi like this. There's no Rashi. Rashi, you get Rashbam. Whatever it is, says clearly.

There's no pasuk in the Torah that you have to drink daled kosos. But, but this is a little bit of a problem. I'll play with the problem. The Gemara in Pesachim, daf kuf ches amud beis, says that if a person drinks wine, v'vas achas, he drinks all the wine in one shot, all the daled kosos, yedei yayin yatza, yedei daled kosos lo yatza. What does it mean? It's a big machlokes, what it means, but the Rashbam learns it means the mitzvah to drink wine for the sake of simchas Yom Tov, you yotzei. Like to read it inside. It's a famous Rashbam. Daf kuf ches amud beis: shasan b'vas achas. If the person drank it all in one shot, yedei yayin yatza, yedei daled kosos lo yatza, says the Rashbam. Says Rashbam, what's yedei yayin yatza? Mishum simchas Yom Tov. Shum simchas Yom Tov. So now you have to drink wine because of simchas Yom Tov. Does anybody know where it says in the Torah that you're supposed to have simchas Yom Tov, that everybody knows. Where it says you're supposed to do chagigah, other things, that they don't know. V'samachta b'chagecha. Everybody, especially those that have the amusement parks, they rent the amusement parks for Yom Tov, they banner, they put the big banner, V'samachta... That's one of the mitzvahs that everybody's ... Okay. It's de'oraisa, it's de'oraisa. So what are you telling me, that to drink wine is de'oraisa? So the truth is, I don't really hear the question in the first place. You know why? He says clearly that part of arba kosos is yedei yayin; yotzei the chiyuv of drinking wine on Yom Tov, which is v'samachta b'chagecha, which is de'oraisa. So it comes out there's proponents of de'oraisa in the arba kosos. There is a mitzvah of v'samachta b'chagecha, and ein simchah ela b'basar v'yayin. So you're drinking wine, and that's de'oraisa. Comes out that it is de'oraisa in arba kosos. I don't understand. I think if you drink wine, that's derabbanan. V'samachta b'chagecha, the Torah says, the Rabbanan are explaining how are you mesameach b'chagecha? You drink wine. But kiyum of v'samachta b'chagecha, so therefore it's de'oraisa now to drink wine. Right now you have to drink wine. Now the truth is, I don't really hear the whole business, and I'll tell you why. Because just because it says v'samachta b'chagecha, so that's only one cup. You don't have to drink all four cups. So let's say that's לפני ... which means one cup is yedei yayin, but ein hachanami, the other three could definitely be drunk ... Which means that even if we'll take on, this Gemara clearly says that there's a mitzvah to drink, and let's say it's a revi'is — there's also a shaylah who says it's a revi'is — but let's say it's a chiyuv shtiyah, and the chiyuv shtiyah is revi'is, which is also a good shaylah. Maybe if it's all about simchah, whatever brings me simchah. If I drink a little bit and it brings me simchah, so that's good enough. You know, in the newspapers they put out ... An advertisement. Some, either the newspaper does it or some firma guy. The way I understand it, some firma guy puts it out. Remember, there's a mitzvah of a sameach b'chagecha, and you have to drink a reviis every year. The newspaper, they have a small little article, like an ad. Remember, there's a mitzvah of a sameach b'chagecha, and you should make sure to drink a cup of wine every single day of Yom Tov, including Chol Hamoed. Sounds like Yeshiva-type of thing, right? Okay. Either it's him or it's people like him. Okay, now, and I don't mean anything bad. It's an interesting, you know, he cares about... No, I'm serious. I'm not saying it, but that's what it is. My question is, where does it say it's a reviis? Maybe if I get simcha for drinking less than a reviis. If I can, maybe I don't have simcha for drinking a reviis. Who says that? It's my stomach. That's too much for me. So I don't want to get involved. Not yet. I don't want to get involved with it yet. We'll talk about it a little bit later. Hakol modim that it's not more than a cup. So then even if you agree that there's daled kosos, arba kosos...

In it, the reisha of proponents, it's not more than the first kois. Okay? This is not my ha'ara. This is the Shagas Aryeh. The Shagas Aryeh in siman samech ches, he says, l'choira, from this Gemara is mashma, siman samech ches, very famous Shagas Aryeh. There's two of them. There's one on samech vav, there's one on samech ches, very famous tshuvos, that l'choira it's muchach from this Gemara that there's proponents of daled kosos, of the reisha and the daled kosos. Says the Shagas Aryeh, I have a very big problem. I don't get it. How do you see from the Gemara? Because the Gemara says that when I drink, I'm being yotzei simchas Yom Tov. Simchas Yom Tov is d'oraisa, so it comes out when I drink daled kosos, there's d'oraisa involved. What's the connection? Why can't we just say daled kosos is derabbanan, and by you drinking that one cup of wine, you're not yotzei, even though you had kedei arba kosos, you're not yotzei, because you didn't drink. When you do drink the first cup of wine, you can't call it a derabbanan; you have to call it a d'oraisa al somech simchas Yom Tov. You're saying the first cup is a d'oraisa. That's what I'm telling you. I'm telling you, whatever you want to say, whatever you... that's what I'm trying to tell you. Maybe they're telling you you kill two birds with one stone. You can be mekayem the d'oraisa with the derabbanan. You could say that, but you can't say that 100%, because then you wouldn't say a daya yotzei, because it's—of course yotzei. What would be this Gemara about? You might think you have to have separate one for the kosos and one is just l'shem... I have to tell me that if I drank one, I'm yotzei? You might think you can't combine the two. You might think you have to have four separate ones and another one mamash l'shem simchas... That's not what the Gemara is talking about. The Gemara is trying to say if I put them together, yedei I yotzei. Why would I not be yotzei? Tell me, if the person says, If I ate a bagel, I'm yotzei for the chiyuv of eating a bagel. We understand that. There's no big story. There would be no Gemara. I thought of why it has to say Tani lei, Tani lei. The point is that I thought of all your angles. The yayin yotza means a separate... but it has not to do with Gemara. This Gemara has no shaykhes to... The yayin... What's the chiddush? The teretz is that even in the takanos, arba kosos, there would have to be yedei yayin yotza. Now I want to tell you something even more. There's a Tosfos. The Tosfos says that now that there's simchas Yom Tov in the daled kosos, it's very shver that the only way to be yotzei simchas Yom Tov is through the daled kosos, Tosfos says. Mimeila. Yedei yayin yotza, peirush, peirush, yedei simchas Yom Tov. V'salka daitach, ho'il v'tiknu daled kosos lo yenafik midei simchas Yom Tov ela al yedei arba kosos. Where is this? It's clear, it's pashut, that it has to do something to do with the daled kosos. You can't say you're yotzei, because Tosfos... I understand, but there's no havamina. There's a havamina like that? The teretz is that you can be yotzei without being yotzei daled kosos. Yeah, but again, daled kosos is d'rabbanan, not because of this. You're missing my point. My point is that it's not just if I drank one, I'm yotzei simchas Yom Tov. There's no sugya. There's no... if I drank one, I'm yotzei daled kosos. The teretz is that something in daled kosos has to do with yedei yayin yotza, and I would say that it's totally, habah ad d'extent that I'm not yotzei, chamashmalan that I am yotzei. Obviously it's not two separate things, I'm killing two birds with one stone, so there's no ... And there's no toisfes, a havamina. What would your havamina be? Could you have a havamina if it's two separate things, that only through the dal koses ... And the answer is there's no such thing, right? Yeah. If there's a mitzvah to drink wine and there's no dal koses, then there's no toisfes. What are you talking about? Then why would there be ...? Obviously there was a havamina because he's telling us otherwise. There's nothing. You're bothering me for nothing. There's nothing to bother me about. If you're learning that it means you're killing two birds with one stone, then there's no ... Of course you're killing. I mean, of course, you drank wine. Why do I need Gemara like that? Why would I think I'm not yotzei? How can ... what is the havamina I'm not yotzei? That I drink wine? Because you didn't drink ... you have to drink four separate cups of wine. What does that have to do with simchas Yom Tov? Again, what does that have to do with simchas Yom Tov? What are you talking about? No, but the Gemara is telling you you are yotzei simchas Yom Tov, but not ... So what's the chiddush? Why would I not be? Because you might think that by you drinking those four cups of wine ...

And together you're being michalel simchas Yom Tov with the daled kosos. So maybe you might think you're not. The Gemara tells you, kamashmalan, yes, you are. You can't just say something stupid, kamashmalan, don't be stupid. Why is it stupid? Because there's no reason for it. It's a davar pashut that you can combine the two. Again, if there's nothing—if you're talking about drinking wine, there's no daled kosos. Why would I—what's this Gemara about? There's no Gemara here. ... You drink the sheva... That's not what the Gemara is saying. That's not what he said. You didn't do it. You drank it in one shot. You drank one, beautiful. Okay, you didn't drink daled. The chiddush, you didn't even drink daled kosos. What's the ...? ... That's what the Gemara said. By the way, drinking daled kosos is regular. ... There's nothing. There's no Gemara. ... Why not? There's no Gemara. ... Yeah, I drank it. What do you want? Why not? That's after the tais. This is not... Okay, come. This is not mine. This tais is fake. This is the pshat in the tais. You see the tais is that it's connected. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You can't say it's killing two birds with one stone. The question is, how much of the daled kosos is simcha? What? What did I say? The bottom line is, the pashtus, there's a halacha of daled kosos, which is the Rabbanan. The Gemara calls it the Rabbanan, and all of a sudden we have a Gemara that rams down our throat, don't just say it's Rabbanan, but start thinking about simchas Yom Tov involved in the drinking of daled kosos. How much is that d'Oraisa? What is that? So the Shaagas Aryeh asks this for a kasha. What's his kasha? It's mashma in the Gemara that the d'Oraisa is, and not like what you learned, that it's killing two birds with one stone, because then there's no Gemara. It's mashma that it's mamish simchas Yom Tov. And Tosafos goes so far to say there's a havamina that the Gemara is trying to teach me, don't think that I can only be yotzei, I can only be yotzei if I drank some— I drank a cup of wine, not daled kosos, I'm not yotzei. What kind of havamina is that? It says that's daled kosos. Some of it is simchas Yom Tov. Says the Shaagas Aryeh, so what's wrong? Maybe it is takke d'Oraisa. What's wrong? There's a big problem. What's the problem? The problem is the Gemara says clearly there's no yisach hadaas at night of Yom Tov. First Gemara, it starts in the morning, it doesn't start at night. So we got a problem, right? That's the Shaagas Aryeh's kasha. In fact, the big Shaagas Aryeh, the bombshell. So the first Gemara is not like that. Take a look. The Gemara Pesachim daf ayin aleph amud aleph: Vayisa ach sameach. What is ach? Ach, kol achin l'rabos l'ma'ut. Sometimes it's l'rabos, sometimes it's l'ma'ut. The Gemara says it's l'ma'ut, leilei Yom Tov rishon, you don't have simchas Yom Tov. You want to read the Gemara like this, you know the source, you can say it over. We're discussing the new thing. If someone asks you if daled kosos d'Oraisa or d'Rabbanan, it's Rabbanan. The Gemara is not like that. The Gemara implies that there's a mitzvah of simchas Yom Tov. That's included in the daled kosos, says the Shaagas Aryeh. It's in the first Gemara. What's the problem? Maybe itself, because the Gemara says not like that. How could the Rabbanan come and tell me simchas Yom Tov if there is no simchas Yom Tov? There is no simchas Yontif. Does anybody have the Gemara? Read it. Ayin aleph amud aleph. Ach... it means the last day of Yontif, the night, you still have time. It means the Gemara. Which means it comes to tell me that there's no... Practic Shagas Aryeh. Here's the Shagas Aryeh. We got a problem here in the Gemara. Let's translate. So the first question is, maybe it's not—maybe we don't pasken like this. Maybe it's a Gemara and we don't pasken like that. This Gemara has to fit with this Gemara. Who said this l'Rabos? It's a man d'amar. Who's the man d'amar that says it? Huh? Yeah, so good. This Reb Elazar. It's two sugyas. Right, whatever, two sugyas, yeah? Let me tell you something very interesting. The Rambam...

Does not, does not, does not bring this halacha of no simcha on the night of Yom Tov, ach l'chal. He doesn't bring it. If you take a look, is there a number there? Is there a letter there? There's no letter. This is not brought down. So why did the Rambam not bring it? We could say because the Rambam didn't hold of it, and the raya that the Rambam didn't hold of it—what was the raya to the Rambam? Because the ... Gemara. Rishach has to with ... Gemara. Now, what? That's one teretz. There's different terutzim to this kashya. The first simple thing we have to identify is that ... The Rambam doesn't bring it down. The problem is—I mean, by the way, the Chazon Ish, Chazon Ish me'oir that the Rambam doesn't bring it down, and maybe it's not l'maaseh the whole thing. And he says that ... No, I'm saying, kuf chaf tes, os yud. I'm sorry, kuf chaf tes, kuf chaf tes, os yud. Now, the Shagas Aryeh—but one sec, before Shagas Aryeh—the Rambam does actually bring it. It's interesting, the Rambam actually does. I want you to take a look at the Rambam, perek beis, chagigah, halacha yud gimmel. Let me close my Rambam. Nobody? Nobody. Open it. Wait. Daniel, quickly, quickly, quickly. Perek beis, chagigah, halacha yud gimmel. We discussed, is the mitzvah of ... on Pesach. Of course you should be having ... All these things are yimuchuyav. The question is, how could the Rashba say that the night of Pesach has to do with ... drinking a little wine, if there's no halacha of ...? Yeah, the Gemara says that has to do with ... Quickly, quickly, quickly. Huh? ... The Torah ... ארבעה עשר. מפני החכמים שבו, שאין מביאים קרבן לבית הפסול. You can't bring a korban that's going to come out to be pasul, chametz, so tonight it would be becoming asur. You can't do that. That's why we don't say ... Eivi ... ידי חובת ... One more time. ... He brings a karban. ... So what are you mekayem the mitzvah of simchas Yom Tov? Because you're gonna have to eat, right? You can't eat it. It doesn't make a difference. You brought the karban, you mekayem the mitzvah of ... mitzvah simcha. Why cannot eat? The Gemara over here, the Gemara itself brings it down. That's right, the Rambam brings it. So don't come and tell me, so don't come and tell me that the Rambam says that there's no mitzvah ... on the night of Pesach. It says it clearly. Why cannot eat? It's chametz. Karban todah is chametz. ... So this is the mefurash. The question maybe the Chazon Ish asks is, why would he not bring it for simchas Yom Tov? Okay, that's a nice ... But it doesn't mean that the Rambam didn't hold that this ... because he says it clearly. This is when you have a little bekius in your brain and you throw it, the yeshiva guys. Yeshiva guys don't know this. Don't know the Rambam and Reb Chaim, because Reb Chaim speaks about ... here, ... How come, how come, how come he doesn't bring it, the Rambam? Well, lefi zeh, according to Reb Chaim, the teretz — there's teretz, terutzim for Reb Chaim. Rambam does bring it. Interesting.

The Rambam brings it. Question might be only, why does the Rambam not bring it in Hilchos Yontif? Okay, can we go further, please? May we continue, please? Good? פירוש הרמבם? Did I make it up? Did Reb Chaim ask, how come the Rambam doesn't bring it? The Rambam hishmit din zeh. The Melech Yontif, Rish Lakish simcha. V'nirah pashut, אמר מרן, חיים, תרוצים. ... al yom zivah, ... simcha. Rabbi said it's teretz, that maybe that's because. Simcha, ad heichan? Could you say that in the Rambam? Could you say this Reb Chaim now that you saw this Rambam Hilchos Chanukah? Reb Chaim's teretz to the question is that, avada, there's no simcha. The Gemara says it, karbei, but v'isa achsamei achti, be happy that you should eat wine and meat. That can be the night of Pesach. That's exactly Rav Chaim's, right? That's Reb Chaim's. Reb Chaim's middle name was ... Okay? You know what the problem is? But the Rambam's not. Very big problem. Now that's neither here nor there. I don't have time to work it out yet this year. I'm gonna have to work that out, obviously. But this is a kasha bothering all of us. All right, that's neither here nor there at the moment. The bottom line is, is there or isn't there simchas Yontif the night of Pesach? First of all, the Gemara is mashma yes, and we're arguing on the whole premise. It's mashma not that way. Maybe drinking wine, al tov yisach semech, is that de'oraisa? It's klal d'rabbanan. Maybe the whole vayisach semech, to drink wine, is a d'rabbanan. The mamash samech in the basar v'yayin is d'rabbanan. There's a very famous ra'avad, and everybody quotes that the ra'avad says clearly that vayisach semech is actually de'oraisa. Basar v'yayin. Din of basar v'yayin is de'oraisa. So we can't answer the question, what do you mean, de'oraisa, pasul? The answer is, who said b'chalal vayisach semech, drinking wine, is de'oraisa? Good. Now, Rav Chaim says we're not talking about the karpas, okay? Also, we're talking about the wine. Oh, maybe the wine is only d'rabbanan. The ra'avad holds the wine is de'oraisa. Says the Shaagas Aryeh, I have another way how to answer this problem. It's true that drinking wine on Yom Tov proper is de'oraisa. Maybe the leile Yom Tov harishon, which is nischalek, that you don't have simchas Yom Tov. Ay, the Gemara in Bava Basra comes along and says what? That there's a din to drink simchas Yom Tov the night of Pesach. That's also d'rabbanan. It says the Shaagas Aryeh. Give me some time. Let me explain. There's a certain trend of... otherwise they don't get. You see, there's a train. The train has to stop at certain stops. You know me, I love to teach. Talk to you right after the shiur. Just try to internalize the information. You like the Shaagas Aryeh? Just... Okay, shh. The question is, there's a stira. On one hand it says simchas Yom Tov, and on the other hand, the Gemara says there is no simchas Yom Tov. So we can have a few different answers. The first way we can chip away and say, ein hachi nami, we don't pasken; the two Gemaras don't pasken that, right? Henzai, Rav Shlomo, the Rishonim don't bring it, and למעשה, you look at the Rambam, he doesn't bring it, right? Hishmit. He was mashmit this halacha. So the truth is, if you look a little into this, you see that he does bring it, actually. Rav Chaim wants to give a teretz that we say that there's no simchas Yom Tov. That's regarding korban, there's no simchas Yom Tov at night. That's what actually the pasuk is talking about. V'samachta, the broader simcha, wine, happy, and eat, that you have on the night Pesach.

Maybe that's only d'Rabbanan, though. Oh, and then we have a very nice answer, right? The Gemara that tells me, if simchas Yom Tov, it's still not d'Oraisa, maybe it's still d'Rabbanan. Problem. Problem. According to the ra'ayah, v'yesach sameach is taka what? D'Oraisa. To drink the wine, the basar is d'Oraisa. So what we could say is, the Meiri could teretz, though, says the Shagas Aryeh: You're right, v'yesach sameach is d'Oraisa, but the Gemara tells me you don't have it that. So then what's pshat in the Gemara that you do have it? You have a d'Rabbanan. No, d'Rabbanan made a takanah of daled kosos, so they were mesaken simchas Yom Tov. Nice. You know what I like about it a little more? I'll tell you what I like about it. What's wrong? Who says this? Shagas Aryeh. That's the Shagas Aryeh. There's no din of simchas Yom Tov d'Oraisa. In d'Rabbanan, you'll have a din of simchas Yom Tov. You know what I like about it? I'll tell you what I like about it. It comes out—there's still not regular din of v'yesach sameach to drink wine. That's what it's called. Not this. Stop. Okay, so the question is, maybe we could come and say that the Gemara now is very geshmak, that the whole takanah to have simchas Yom Tov is only d'Rabbanan anyway, so that's the pshat that they were mesaken that through the arba kosos you should do it. It's not like the old rules that d'Oraisa and the Rabbanan came and said, how do we mekayem the d'Oraisa, which is very strange cases. Why would they do it that way, that the whole din of simchas Yom Tov you can only do it through the daled kosos? But if it's actually a d'Rabbanan anyway, so maybe that's the takanah. They came along and said, let's drink arba kosos for Yom Tov, for cheirus, for simchas Yom Tov, for ge'ulas Mitzrayim, and it was one big, all happy. Doesn't mean that that's how you mekayem the d'Oraisa? If you learn it's d'Oraisa, fine. According to the Shagas Aryeh, it's only d'Rabbanan, so then the Gemara even becomes clear now, that the whole takanah was— Daled kosos, derech cheirus. What is derech cheirus? It means two things. It means remembering Mitzrayim and be happy on Yontif. It's all one big, you know, one big happy party. So it's all one takanah. And bameila, Tosafos makes a lot of sense now. I would think that you can only be yotzei the simchas Yontif through the daled kosos, because there is no simchas Yontif. It actually begins with the daled kosos. Chazal told me to drink daled kosos derech simchas Yontif and cheirus. So the hav amina was, if I didn't yotzei the daled kosos, maybe I'm not yotzei the cheirus. Kamashmalan, I'm still yotzei the simchas Yontif. It becomes now even more gishmak, more gishmak. Okay. What's wrong? I just explained. Because there is no halacha of the simchas Yontif. There's no halacha. I'll tell you even more. You want to hear even more? There's a meoridige Chazon Ish, that the Chazon Ish wants to taina that actually every other Yontif, there's no ba'issach sameach to drink wine at night at all. It's only Pesach. Pesach, the Rabbanan made a special Pesach, ba'issach sameach. All right? Now you know why I know what I'm talking about? I said this years ago, if that's the pshat in the Tosafos. Now I saw the Chazon Ish list, and that's what he's saying. He's saying it's, you're right, it's not a regular ba'issach sameach Yontif. It's ba'issach sameach cheirus, Pesach. Pesach, it's a happy, it's a happy cheirus Yontif. So bameila Tosafos is going to be schmeck. Tosafos is going to be schmeck. Is it going on the arba kosos, or means stam to drink? Yes, on the arba kosos. That's why the chiddush is that there's a halacha of arba kosos. It doesn't start with achsameach and you're drinking kos. So what's the chiddush? Of course I drank wine, but why am I yotzei? So that is the takanah of the daled kosos, to have simchas Yontif. So maybe if I didn't do it the way the Chachamim said, maybe I'm not yotzei. You like it? I think people say like this. You know, you got to learn the mekoros, and then you'll say like this. This is very interesting chazakah. Maybe it's a special din on, on l'umat zeh. What's wrong, Rashi? There's no doubt. It's very simple. At first we began to say that the din of daled kosos is only derabbanan, and that's what the Gemara is mashma: ki derabbanan. So the Shagas Aryeh says, wait a minute, the Gemara says, yedei yayin yatza, simchas Yom Tov, according to Rashi. That's de'oraisa, says the Rashba, says the Shagas Aryeh. But at the same time—

I mean, the Gemara, there is no simchas Yom Tov, so something's wrong over here. There's no simchas Yom Tov at night, so why does the Rashbam ...? So the first answer might be is we don't pasken like that Gemara; it's two different sugyas. You see, the Rambam doesn't bring it down. We do have simchas Yom Tov. Maybe we pasken like this Gemara. Problem: the Gemara, he does bring it down. The Rambam says it by korban todah. Now, Chazon Ish is right. Why doesn't he say it by Yom Tov? I mean, fakert, there's a din simcha, and that's why he doesn't bring it, the Rambam, and Chananya, that's good for the Rambam doesn't bring. There's din simchas Yom Tov, and we talkin mekayem it. That's why the Rambam doesn't bring it. That's pshat why the Rambam doesn't bring it. Yeah? What's wrong? What did I say? No, there's nothing mechalek. There's nothing. The Rambam doesn't bring it because we pasken don't pasken; we pasken the opposite of it. We pasken there is din simchas Yom Tov at night. Yeah. Why would any other Yom Tov be different? Why would it? We're not holding. We're not even holding. We're holding—period. There is such halacha. Now you want to know why would the Rambam not bring the din of a yisach sameach by Yom Tov? Maybe it's davar pashut. There's no reason not. Din of simchas Yom Tov, so it's the opposite of the night. It doesn't have to go out of his way to each note also by night. If it's not by night, so there's a reason for the Rambam to say it. If it's not by night, there's a reason for the Rambam to say it. By the way, it's not by night. But if it's also by night, so the whole Yom Tov, yisach sameach is Yom Tov. The second answer is that it's only l'gabei korban that we don't have simchas Yom Tov. Mashenkein l'gabei v'yisach sameach, we do have on Yom Tov. What's the problem? The Rambam says it by korban we have, so that's a problem, right? That's Reb Chaim's teretz, but that's the problem. The Rambam does not like that. The other teretz we could come and say is that could be bichlal Simchas Yom Tov is only drabonon, when it's the yayin shebo, not the meat, kodshim. Yeah, but the Ra'avad holds not like that. The kashya is based on that ra'aya; otherwise, bichlal no kashya. The teretz might be, says the Sha'agas Aryeh, that even though normal lo yis'achsem me'echas de'oraisa, but the layla, which the Torah was mema'et, now it turns into a drabonon. So I'm telling you a chiddush, that could be it's not stam a regular drabonon of all year, of all the nights of Yom Tov. This is a special pasuk by night, kiruv rabbanan, they were mesaken the daled kosos for Simchas Yom Tov. It started with a takanah; it didn't start with Simchas Yom Tov, let's go drink wine, because then what's the chiddush? Of course you drink. You drank arba kosos, you yotzei. What's the entire you drank, if you're happy? Oh, there's a din kos, it has to maybe eat a becher. What's the kiyum mitzvah of shesiyas yayin shel simchah? You would need a kos. You don't need a kos; you drink wine, you're yotzei, finished. The teretz is no, because it's not regular Simchas Yom Tov; it's daled kosos, which Chazal were mesaken in order to be mekayem also simchas Yom Tov, and derech cheirus and geulah, all the halachos. Maybe Tosafos is saying geshmak: maybe if I didn't do it the way the Chachamim said, I'm not yotzei; kamashma lan, still yotzei. So one is going to be enough. Problem is, the Magen Avraham in siman tof kuf mem daled, mem-vav, excuse me, se'if katan daled, says clearly that it's de'oraisa. Harav... chof kuf mem-vav. See, vav says clearly ... like the Ravaders. Here it is. He speaks about aveilus. Here. He speaks like this here: Ein noisin nashim b'Moed, mutar l'ares. Here. Oh, here it says like this: Hakol mutar b'lisa. You're allowed to get married erev Yom Tov, v'la'asos seudah b'regel, and you can make a seudah on the Yom Tov. Says the Magen Avraham, she'ein ikar simcha ela techilas ha'nisuin. V'af al פי shemesamchin b'seudas ha'nisuin ... chaf-zayin ... ... l'aser seudas ha'nisuin b'regel, to aser the seudas ha'nisuin b'regel. Why? ... Rambam, d'keivan d'milsa d'Rabbanan היא, הקילו לכולה. U'dvarim temuhim. See, this is a Beis Yosef that wanted the whole din of making a seudah the night of Yom Tov is only a d'Rabbanan, so meila we can be meikel.

From the milderabbanan, ... ad kan loshon Beis Yosef. U'dvarav tmu'im, says the Magen Avraham. It's not true, because there's a din of simchas Yom Tov, d'Oraisa, even on the night of Yom Tov. So many want to say, yeah, that's the Magen Avraham, the Beis Yosef. You know, talks like that. You know. The Cham, the Cham says it's that way. He says, You're right. It's just a kashya on the Beis Yosef. See, the Beis Yosef, not like that. Good stuff. Now, so this is the Beis Yosef. What? That's what he says. I still don't ... one of this one. Maybe it's in this one also. Does he say it over here? He says it in one of them. It's gonna ... That's in the other one. It's a different one. That's how he speaks it out. I loved it. Here he says the psak. We'll go through this psak, by the way. This is a very, very ... psak. Regarding what? ... No, it's again to the de'oraisa d'rabbanan. We'll get to it soon. It's gevaldik. The clarity is ... Okay, now, ... so you guys don't have a problem. Yes, but the Magen Avraham, I think most ... still learns Magen Avraham. So you're gonna have to be meyashev: what does the Magen Avraham do with the Gemara's that it's mashma that there's no din of Leil Yom Tov? Now, there's a Yerushalmi. It doesn't say that we learned this out from vayotzeisi, v'hitzalti, v'go'alti. Let's do the Yerushalmi inside. Yeah. Oh, look at the wrong Gemara. You have the Yerushalmi? You have it in the beginning of Bava Metzia, no? Take it, take it. No, no, wait, wait, wait. Okay, listen to the Yerushalmi. Do you understand what we're hoping? Now that most say that even if there's a din of simchas Yom Tov, it's only d'rabbanan. It's only d'rabbanan. The Magen Avraham seems to say, Eh, we don't pasken like that Gemara. There's a din of simchas Yom Tov mid'Oraisa. Then we have to learn the Gemara in Pesachim that says yedei yayin, simchas Yom Tov, d'Oraisa. So wait a minute, Arba kosos are d'Oraisa? Let's take a look at an interesting Yerushalmi. It says the Yerushalmi here. Okay, okay. Minayin l'arba kosos? Minayin l'arba kosos? It's a lashon. ... keneged ... you say minayin l'arba kosos, you know what that is? Ooh, there's a pasuk. D'Oraisa. Minayin l'arba kosos, you hear? Minayin l'arba kosos? ... keneged arba ge'ulos. V'chein emru livnei Yisan, ... k'neged ... These are the keneged. Al chiyus. Over on. Hey, is it ... something, it means mide'oraisa? We tend to say ... af shebiYerushalmi ... Then he also brings a Yerushalmi in Nazir, perek vav, halacha hei, she... daika shedin ... de'oraisa. Yeah, it was a havamina in the Gemara that it's de'oraisa. So that's just a havamina. You want to see the Yerushalmi inside? We're getting late maybe. There's a Yerushalmi in Nazir. Look it up. Who, who? The last one. Not this one. Underneath this? This Yerushalmi. Okay. Nazir, perek vav, halacha hei. Perek vav, halacha hei.

Ready? When a person says, I promise, nazir, I'm not going to drink any wine. What happens to the arba kosos? Yes, yes. Let's say, I mean, it's a question here. It says like this. A person makes a neder that he's not going to drink wine. Voi meima b'arba kosos shel Yain. Aval amar shvuah she'eshteh, nazir eshteh, asur meim lo yishteh. So there was a hava amina that he shouldn't be able to drink the daled kosos, says the Gemara, kamashmalan. Now what's the she'eilah? It's not a chiyuv d'Oraisa to drink daled kosos; it's d'Rabbanan. Where can we have a chiluk between a shvua, a person is nishba l'lesser, a mitzvah? It's d'Oraisa. So what was the hava amina? Says Rav Adi, hachi nami, d'lav... It's not that way. Gemara says a hava amina only. Oh, that the hava amina, the daled kosos is d'Oraisa. Yeah, that's what he wants to say, that the Yerushalmi's hava amina with the taglacha, that it's—I'm sorry, the metzora that's asur, that the nazir, that it's asur, is only a hava amina. That's what he says. What's the hava amina? But the Yerushalmi isn't always talking about... It's interesting. The ... says a lot more ... I like it. You see what I'm doing? I'm digging. You know what archaeology does? Digs, digs. Maybe something will come up. You're not bored yet. It's not going to be sitting like that. Huh? There's a lot of info. I just started. I'm not even holding ... Huh? You haven't done it in a while, I hear. You got to oil the brake. You got to oil the machinery a little bit. You're not going to hear the same. Not listen. You know, some day, I ... Just do it. Just do it, my God. Just do it. You get nowhere wide if you don't. Just do it. That's all. Do it. I'm teaching you beautiful stuff. You're not going to hear this anyway, and you're going to come to the Pesach Seder, you'll enjoy your Pesach Seder, you'll enjoy it. You'll understand what you're doing. You hear? You're listening? ... I saw it in one of his other sefarim. He writes in six different places about this. Okay? Really, he has in ... he has in ... he has in every place. ... It's ... it's ... It's gave so many different sugyas. ... It's a big sugya. Now, bottom line is ... or maybe there's something here which is a little bit ... Okay? This is my shiur for today. I want to be mechadesh, even though it's treifon, and we pasken treifon. Take a look at the Mishnah Berurah. Mishnah Berurah, Shaar HaTziyun, siman tav-kuf mem-vav, se'if katan tes-vav. He brings the Shaagas Aryeh lahalacha. At night, it's only midrabbanan. Finished. Oh, that's how the Mishnah Berurah... Oh, the Shaagas Aryeh. Who's gonna argue on the Shaagas Aryeh? Who's gonna argue on the Shaagas Aryeh? You know, that's how the Shaagas Aryeh died. What? What? No, the Shaagas Aryeh died. The whole sefarim... Shaagas Aryeh. I don't know. His family, somebody said, some gadol said it's because he argued with the Shaagas Aryeh. So I'm not... Any Shaagas Aryeh? Okay. Are you with me? Do you know what I want? So every Yom Tov, I'm trying to go... Rabbanan, but a little bit יותר, something more than just your plain... smarten yourself. Okay. So we pretty much...

Finalize the information that it's Rabbanan, Rabbanan, there's no chiyuv, and it's Rabbanan, it's all, everything's Rabbanan. Okay. Now let's see a little further. The Tosafos, I told you, like I said, is mashma that it's something with the daled kosos. There's some connection to the simchas Yontif, something with the daled kosos, yeah? Theoretically, it's actually two different sugyas, no? Chayvus, right? Simchas Yontif, something interesting. Rabbeinu Ezer says that eino chanami, there is no simchas Yontif. Pirush, korbanos, only for korbanos, like Reb Chaim. Once you mechadesh case, you do have a korban, there's no chiyuv, yeah? There's no chiyuv. Rabbeinu Ezer is in siman taf chaf gimmel, ois beis, that true, there's no simchas Yontif tonight, meaning you're not mechuyav to bring a korban like Reb Chaim, but, chiddush, I have a korban and I'm yotzei simchas Yontif with it. Tell me, you know why he says this? Rambam, the Rambam. So here we have an interesting chiluk. Not mechuyav, but there's a kiyum. You're not mechuyav, but there's a kiyum. I have to go out and make simchas Yom Tov, but if I have simchas Yom Tov, I'm yotzei the mitzvah. It's a very interesting chiluk. I'm not mechuyav, no? Kiyum aseh. Night of Pesach, a kiyum, and all the night is kiyum. Okay, you like it? You like it? I'm the neis. Now, what did the Rashbam say? The Rashbam says, if a person is not mechuyav, he's mechuyav to go to get for me. Afilu hachi, afilu hachi, afilu hachi. Even so, lo nasno lo gabai tzedakah. The gabai tzedakah doesn't give it to him. Yimkor es malbusho. He should go sell his clothing, or yilveh, or he should borrow. V'yaskir atzmo. The poor goes, he has to go and sell himself. Let's see if that's the halacha l'maaseh. We pasken like this Rashbam, that if a guy doesn't have daled kosos, he should go and sell himself as a slave. Is that true? Shulchan Aruch, siman taf ayin beis, sif yud gimmel. Let's go. You're the Shulchan Aruch man today. Come on, let's go. Faster, faster. Nu? Taf ayin beis, yes. Taf ayin beis, sif yud gimmel, yud gimmel. Says the Shulchan Aruch, afilu ani hamitparnes min ha-tzedakah, yimkor malbusho, o yilveh, o yaskir atzmo bishvil yayin l'daled kosos. So where did he get this from? This Rashbam. Help me. I did. There's also halachos. You have to be ... the nes. You like miracles. Got to do the same thing, right? Nes, miracles, commemoration. Do you have to borrow for ...? Do you have to be moicher malbushai? Sure. You have to sell yourself. No. No. Let's take a look at Shulchan Aruch, siman taf reish ayin aleph, se'if aleph. ... Here, here. Okay, send it to ... Stop throwing tables and chairs. Come on. Taf reish ayin aleph. Here. ... Okay. ... What happened to be socher atzma? What happened? How come it's different? Big question. Famous question. So if you look at the...

You have a beraisa over there, sif katan aleph. Ein chayav laskir atzmo. Why not? Says the Be'er Heitev. Doesn't say. It says something. I remember seeing something. It says something, same thing. Nothing. Nothing. Okay, so different than daled kosos. I thought I remember seeing over there something. Okay, so it's different than daled kosos. Why is it different? You know why it's different? Wow! Wow! You are a brilliant scientist. Where'd you get— Why can't we say that at least with ner Chanukah, you can be kind to the shul or something, whereas— That teretz is what I thought the Bach said. I thought that was the Be'er Heitev. That's one of the terutzim that said. I'm going to go through this right now. Now I want you to take a look at the Rambam and the Maggid Mishnah, and we'll see if daled kosos is for sure, and therefore ner Chanukah is also, or ner Chanukah is less or more than daled kosos. Sir, sir, look at the Rambam in Hilchos Chanukah, perek beis, halacha yud-beis. Nu, come on. Could you take the Rambam, perek Chanukah? That's not Chanukah. That's Chanukah. It's zmanim. Okay, Chanukah, perek beis, halacha yud-beis. Daled kosos... So what, guys? So according to ... who's? Gilui. Chanukah, no? Beyachad. So which? Peirik beis. Maybe perek daled? Perek daled? Perek daled, chiyuv beis. This is bemes the Mechaber, right? That he ignores the Yasker Atzmoi by Chanukah because he goes with his Rebbe, the Rambam. The Rambam didn't say it, so therefore he doesn't bring it down, right? But take a look at the Maggid Mishnah that says, Wait a minute. No? Yeah, where do we know this? No, the Maggid Mishnah on this halacha. How do you know you're supposed to sell your clothing? Chanukah is better, stronger? I don't know, that's what it says. You know what happened in this Maggid Mishnah? First of all, happened in this Maggid Mishnah that the mekor is Purim. What did I say? Purim. The mekor is daled kosos. Where do we even know, huh? That's what I just said. That's what we see from this Maggid Mishnah. So wait a minute. But it's different. And he said the other way around, that Chanukah is more ... What also do I have? That the daled kosos is pirsumei nisa, and matzah, of course, also pirsumei nisa, and the Chanukah is also pirsumei nisa. Comes along the Lechem Mishnah, and he says, Why is it a kal vachomer? How could this be a kal vachomer? Either it's equal, either it's equal, or maybe less, but definitely not a kal vachomer. You have Lechem Mishnah. What are you talking about? If you tell me apples is like oranges, but it's definitely—we want definitely, it's equal. It can't be more. How can it be more then? I don't remember where I saw, but the poskim bring down what Elon said. Chanukah is less, because Chanukah I can be yotzei birchas haro'eh. I can walk in the street and see it. I can go into the shul, I can be yotzei. I have to be priti. There's so many ways how to do it. Huh? Right, right. Kal vachomer doesn't have to mean kal vachomer more of the halacha, but kal vachomer is that it's comparative. Of course it's comparative. But all right, either way, it's irrelevant to me. The bottom line is Chanukah is a lot less than Purim, than daled kosos, and the kashya is כפלהתם. What's the pshat? I have a gevaldige pshat. I taineh—

Chanukah is less, and daled kosos is more. And that's why you have to sell yourself by daled kosos, ma she'ein kein by Chanukah. And what's the reason? The reason is because daled kosos might be a shikulah. Now, you have to know that the Orach HaShulchan, in tof reish ayin aleph, as well as the Mishnah Berurah in tof reish ayin aleph, both pasken that for ner Chanukah you have to sell yourself. You know why? What's the difference than daled kosos? He brings a Rivash. I think the Orach Shulchan brings the Rivash. He says it doesn't make sense. What's the difference? If it's equal, it's equal. I want to taina, maybe it's not so equal. Who told you it's so equal? There's equal, and then there's more equal than others. Now, I understand the pshat in the Mishnah. Yechol lital me'arba kosos, yeitzi less than arba kosos. I would say that maybe, maybe it's only d'rabbanan. Avada for the de'oraisas, you have to give. Maros d'rabbanan. Avada for the de'oraisas you have to give. What's your shaylah? The chiddush is, afilu, v'lo yipchosu lo me'arba kosos shel yayin. The chiddush is even arba kosos. So, ... That's the question, right? So then what about everything else? Maybe it's only for Arba Kosos, because Arba Kosos is taka more chashuv, and that's what it's saying in the... That's what he's saying here. What's the Mishnah want? What is the Rashbam saying in the Mishnah? He has to take even for the tamchui. The tamchui was set aside for very serious things. It was set aside for very serious things. So you would come and say, so maybe daled kosos, nisht. Kamashmalan, even for daled kosos. And part of that chiddush is that in case he's not getting, then mainly he has to go sell himself. That's the hemshech in this Mishnah. Otherwise, what's the need to this Mishnah, go sell himself? Lo yifchos, they shouldn't give less. So what do you want? You stop telling halachos now that in case they don't, you have to? What's really the ... of the Mishnah? He's pataching the tamchui. The tamchui means that it's a very special tzedakah. So you would say that that tzedakah is not for d'Rabbanan. Kamashmalan that the daled kosos are serious as the Rashbam, because it's actually pirsumei nisa, k'neged arba leshonei geulah ha'amurim b'galus Mitzrayim. That's stam a takanah d'Rabbanan. It's not stam Simchas Yom Tov. That's really what I wanted to say. It's not stam Simchas Yom Tov. It's Simchas Yom Tov b'yesod of the takanah is pirsumei nisa. So avadai you have to give it a tamchui. Oi, but so it would come out a chiddush, you have to give it a tamchui for Ner Chanukah? No? Yeah, avadai. But why didn't they bring it down? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's not in the Mishnah. Maybe the Gemara's time Chanukah. There's no Mishnah on it. Maybe there would be. I don't know. That's my question. Would you give it a tamchui for Ner Chanukah, basically? Or you would say, be yotzei with the other guy? Yeah, maybe we'll say food. I think it's ... I don't want to say ... goes far ... that emphasis. ... the deraisa. Even if you don't say such a big chiddush, because then the yeshiva guys will attack that. There's a famous Chasam Sofer that every ... becomes the ... Why don't we just have it being a tamchoi is the desperate needs, and Chanukah, that's for desperate, because he has other means of doing this. That's what I'm telling you. Therefore, Yoel had to give from a tamchoi. That's what I said. I said it was like this: if you learn that maybe it's a ... didn't because he can't do it any other way, fine. But we have to say that it has to do with the chiyuv of the de'oraisa of ... Maybe now Chanukah is the same thing, or maybe now Chanukah is a ... and not the chiyuv of what? ... Which one has the de'oraisa? That one does. That ... has it, this ... doesn't.

Somebody looked at the פסוק. It's not the general פסוק. Maybe because the neis was in the Torah? That's how it... Anything more than actual? Is that actual? How do you want to sell yourself from Megillah? Megillah? Okay. The שייך is right. Let me tell you what שייך. So, a חנמבדיא says an interesting chiddush. When you drink the daled kosos, officially you're supposed to drink it within כדי אכילת פרס, the whole thing, because otherwise... says חנמבדיא, what happens if the guy can't? It's hard for him. You know, a lot of people, older people, they can't drink so much wine that quickly. חנמבדיא, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Why? It says like this: ספק ספיקא. You ready for the ספק ספיקא? What? The whole דין of צירוף שתייה, that you have to drink everything in one shot, that's only b'issurim, right? Ha, it'll be ikar din צירוף שתייה b'issurim. דאס הרעב שאשירו בכדי אכילת פרס. But that's... Shulchan Aruch: אינו בארץ בזה ככל הצריך. Not clear exactly what he holds. Is that a third? Is that a third safek? ... בדיעבד, אם שתה כוס של ד' כוסות בסירוגין, ולא שהה יותר מכדי אכילת פרס, בדיעבד יצא ידי חובתו. מעין צריך לעשות בלישת. ספק דרבנן לקולא. כל שכן הכא דאיכא ספק ספקא להקל. ... whatever, this guy and that one and this one and that one. Huh? It’s like this. ... דאיסור שתייה באיסורין, דאסר ... שתייה באכילת פרס. ... And because of maybe ... And ... ... אבל היבדיל שהה כשיעור ד' כוסות דסירוגין ולא שהה יותר מכדי אכילת פרס. He didn’t do the כדי אכילת פרס. He had ... Why? Because he did it within the כדי אכילת פרס, which is much more. How long is כדי אכילת פרס? Forty minutes. But ... יש לשתות בשהה יותר משתייה רביעית. He took longer than a שתייה רביעית, ופחות מכדי אכילת פרס. חייב ... The last two cups, you have a separate problem. Rav Yochanan, you have a problem, moisiv al hakoses, and here we'll learn that later. The two, if you drank without a seibah, the Tosafos says you shouldn't be machmir because it looks like you're moisiv al hakoses. Kol shekein b'shnei koses, nira. V'hacha, b'di'eved, afilu kol sfeika d'rabbanan l'kula, since it's only a safek d'rabbanan. It's only a derabbanan, the whole baal koses, therefore you don't drink it. Kol shekein b'shnei koses acharonos, meshakeh moisiv al hakoses. Kein kasav Eliyah Rabbah. Amnam haMagen Avraham, kein b'Mishnah Berurah, chilku bein beis koses rishonos u'vein beis koses acharonos, sheba'acharonos lo ya'aseh listos, shem mefsik moisiv al hakoses. But the first ones, you have to drink. Wait a minute. I thought it's a safek derabbanan l'kula. Didn't he say that? Unless he's saying l'mishura din, then hold it's a safek. Or the Magen Avraham. Yeah, there's a little bit de'oraisa. Kein b'Mishnah Berurah, chilku bein beis koses rishonos u'vein beis koses acharonos. L'acharonos lo ya'aseh. Yesh loimar, d'lechumra b'alma tzrichu kein b'shnei koses rishonos. The prak, lefi mah shekasav haMagen Avraham, d'ein l'sh eino hagun lishtos bein hakoses hasheni, yachol yesh l'hishtadel la'asos levarach, nir'eh moisiv al hakoses. A separate chet. We don't do it again, because otherwise, b'nir'eh k'mozi. But otherwise, l'chumra you should drink it. Baruch Hashem, nir'eh she'ad she'eino, u'varach she'eino. ... moisiv al hakoses. Kitzer, the ... yotzei. Kein kasher. Hamaggih.

That's not ... Interesting, interesting. Safek d'Rabbanan, maybe he has chumra, which is a safek d'Oraisa. Huh? Chumra? I want to know what's the chumra. The chumra ba'alma, צריך שתי כוסות. When he needs chumra, what's to be filled? Just to be—what does he mean? What does he mean, on safek d'Rabbanan, to be machmir? Al kol panim, that's what I want to get at. Could be—oh. Oh no, I'm not finished yet. I just started. Where's my other paper? Yeah, there's more paper. No, I left the rest of the paper in my house. It's over here. Wait, wait, where's my sheet? Oh, here it is. Now, let me show you one more list. Gargir, you know what gargir is? Another little—are you with me? There's an interesting Gemara, kuf ches amud. You have to look it up. Hishkeh mehen, l'vanav u'livnei beiso. Gave to drink from his cup to the children of his house, says the Gemara, yotza. Remember this Gemara? Rufi, remember this Gemara? Hishkeh mehen, he gave to drink, they yotza. You supposed to drink revi'is yayin, you give to somebody else. You gave it to the children. Hishkeh mehen, he gave to drink your— Right. Wait a minute, what do you mean, hishkeh? He did. He's chayav l'hashkos. Wait, what does it mean, hishkeh? What happened to his family? Hishkah mehem. He gave to drink. What happened to his family? His family is not drinking arba kosos? What does that mean? Hishkah mehem, says the mefarshim. He took his wine and he gave it to drink to his family. Yotzei, they're all yotzei. What do you mean, if he did? He has to. They all have to drink arba kosos. They don't drink arba kosos? Says the Rosh, it's mashma from over here that you don't have to drink arba kosos. It's not true. Yotzei b'shmiyah, v'shomea k'oneh from the father. There's a Tosafos. Let's see two pshatim in Tosafos. That's the Tosafos, not Hishkah mehem. Says the Rosh, I'll prove it to you. What do you mean, yotzei b'shmiyah? The guy didn't give me the bracha. That's right. Or by daled kosos, when one doesn't make the bracha. Kiddush. Says the Rosh, that I'll prove it to you, because when I give to drink, the family, how much are they drinking? Comes out nobody's drinking a revi'is, nobody's drinking a shiur. Take a cup and give twenty children. It's a bar mitzvah family, no? It's a Yiddish family. Twenty children, right? Just boys. Then there's ten girls, and then there's a grandmother and a grandfather and a father-in-law and a mother-in-law. Everybody's drinking from one cup. How much are you giving? Nothing. Says the Rosh, so you see that you don't have to drink daled kosos. So there's two mahalchim in Acharonim that want to say, wait a minute, wait, slow down, slow down. I mean the Rishonim, slow down. That actually they have to drink. The chiddush is, instead of what they would have to drink, you gave them from yours. Everybody's yotzei. It's mitztaref. We're all one big happy family, and we're yotzei together. That's one teretz that the Rishonim say. Another teretz, that avada they're going to have to drink, and the chiddush is that the baal habayis doesn't have to drink the whole kos. You give a little bit, ruba d'kos, and give a little bit. This is the Brisker Rav learning up the pshat according to the Gra. The Gra learns this sugya. If you look at the famous Brisker Rav over here on this, ... one of his yesodos is this, that according to the Gra you have to learn the Gemara that there is a din shtiyah. The Brisker Rav learns it's a din shtiyah. Aye, why do this Gemara? It means that you're giving from, and you don't have to drink the whole kos. The chiddush is you might have thought that you have to drink the whole kos. What's wrong? What's the problem? Isn't the Gemara is metaher? ... That's Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak. What was the ...? That's him. What does the Tanna ...? That's the famous question. Rashi says, what happened? Tosafos says ...

Why are you giving carrots? What happened, Eliezer? You're not with me? But the wine is getting to you? What's wrong? What's wrong? Where is my she? What happened? You can't cop out on that. This is not Baba Basra. This is it. We got a train. The train is ready. Are you with me? You hear the question? What happened? They're not drinking? If you gave—what is if you gave? You have to give. It says, ... chiddush here. Avada everybody has to drink. But you're talking about banav, banav ktanim. It says little children don't have to drink. But you're giving from your shiur to them? Little children don't have to drink. You're giving from your shiur to them, no? Right? What's the chiddush? No, I don't hear. You have to give your shiur to them? I would come and say, you don't have to give your children, because the takanah not chayav to drink. The question is what happened to the chiddush. That's the question. Ready? What's the problem? What's your question? You're supposed to drink shiur, no? Versus supposed to drink a shiur. Kamashmalan that I could give a little bit to the children. Tosafos say, but what about the children? They don't have to drink? Answer: ein hachanami, they takanah don't have to drink. You know what I'm going to say now? Let's see if you have a little imagination. This isn't controversial. Not controversial. I'm going to say something because... The part the koisis has to do with simchas Yom Tov, and that's a chelek. It's embedded into the part. Do they have simcha b'yayin? Of course, clearly not like that. Taisis is l'shitasei. Taisis is learning that simchas Yom Tov is through the arba kosos, the way I explained it to you. They were mesaken simchas Yom Tov wine, and this is going to bring out geulah, since children don't have it, so me'ikar they don't have the arba kosos. So why wasn't the ikur, when he said an agav, they put in the simchas Yom Tov? So how come I said not like that? I was thinking maybe not like that. I was thinking it could be. That's not agav. That's what they did. They went, they said, Go drink wine. Why wine? Where does it say wine? Tell me, where does it say wine? So Yerushalmi brings the kos of parah. I never understood this Yerushalmi. Because I say geulah, you have to say parah? Could you answer me? If I bring you ... the next sheetah comes along and says, ... k'neged arba kosos. What's ...? What do you want? Huh? That's what I ... Drink wine. Drink wine. Can I get an ... position tomorrow? Where does it say that he had four cups? That's tomorrow. That's Yerushalmi. Four cups of wine. You understand what I just said? You hear what I'm getting at?