Hilchos Arba Minim: Examining an Esrog, Hadar, the Chotem, and Murkav

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Hilchos talmud. Talmud is so complex, detailed. It's a lot. It's a lot of information. So the right way to go about it is to first get our feet wet. And that is, get the basics, get acquainted, familiarize with the basics. Okay. So let's begin with the mekor. The mekor, the lulav and esrog. Lulav and esrog, habeis. You ready? Let's go. We got work to do. Oh, I thought you have the... No, I don't want anything. I don't know. You don't understand me at all. ... Okay. You have to pay. Okay, so let's hear a ... like this. ... Lulav and esrog. Where does it come from? Vayikra, chav-gimmel, mem. U'lakachtem lachem bayom harishon pri etz hadar. Okay. So an esrog is a pri etz hadar. No, you see, I said Pri Eitz Hadar, and all the Pri Eitz Hadars came. Then not only Pri Eitz Hadar, the Amoraishim, the Pri Eitz Hadar the whole time. Bring the Gemara. You have to learn. See here, Pri Eitz Hadar. So the Pri Eitz Hadar, rabosai, is the esrog, okay? How do we know that the Pri Eitz Hadar is the esrog? Shteit a Chumash in the Torah, esrog, says Pri Eitz Hadar. So the Gemara has a few drashas. Go ahead, rabosai. Lamed hei amud aleph. The Gemara darshans, the famous ones are hadar is hadar, bi'lanoi mishanah l'shanah. So that's how we know. There's other ones, tamei to v'ri yashavin. There's two more. Go ahead, we'll read the Gemaras. Godal al kol mayim. No. Lamed hei amud aleph, lamed hei amud aleph. Al kol panim hadar bi'lanoi, because it stays. If you don't pick it from the tree, it's going to stay. So that's the esrog. The esrog is hadar bi'lanoi mishanah l'shanah, okay? The other one is? Yeah, it's kol al kol mayim. That's why it's two different drashas. Yeah, okay. Al kol panim, rabosai, drashas. So the Rambam in Peirush HaMishnayos, the beginning of Zeraim, says that we don't follow the drashas. What does that mean? We have a mesorah what an esrog is. From the times of Yeshua all the way down, zokt the Rambam in Peirush HaMishnayos, we know what the esrog is, and that's the way we continue. So why does the Gemara speak about all these things? Just to give us the mekor. Chakru al haremez. Where is it merumaz in the Torah that it's so. Now it's interesting, though. That the Ramban in Chumash learns that the word Hadar is the name of the esrog. Esrog in Lashon Kodesh is hadar. Did you know that? Why not? After so many years of a lulav and esrog, you knew this? What about you? Also not? So then you have to do it inside. Go bring the Ramban on Chumash on this pasuk. You knew this? So from now on, you're going to walk into the store, you have the Shehecheyanu hadar. Wait a minute, but hadar means shek... No, no, no. Hadar is the name of the esrog. Says the Ramban that the word chemdah, esrog means chemdah, and the word hadar in Lashon Kodesh means that, dear, dear. It's very dear. It's dear to you. So meileh, says the Ramban, that the esrog is called hadar. So it's not even a remez, but it's literal translation. Huh? I can't hear. Good, okay, whatever. It's a Ramban. Ramban in Chumash. You have to be fast, because we have a lot of information to cover. Esrog is in what language? Esrog, he seems to say it's in, like, Yavan or something. Oh, that's true, that's true. All right, all right. Go ahead. Okay, so, al kol panim, rabosai...

It's kedai to know another pshat. There's another pshat. From ... Pirush Mishnayos, we just know it. When did that start? He says there was always, there was never a she'eilah, there was no, yeah, ... He says we don't, yeah, he's saying from the time that we took a lulav and esrog, it never changed. Same thing, it continues ... Pirush Mishnayos, and this that we have to look at the simanim is irrelevant. Just the Chazal were just teaching us, Gemara language, where do we know that it's an esrog? Now one of the things that an esrog is, she'taam etzai u'piryo shav, which means that the taste of the tree and the fruit is the same. We all know that originally all the trees were supposed to be like that. The Ribono Shel Olam wanted, eitz pri, oseh pri, that the tree itself is pri, that you should take a bite out of the tree and say, Ah, delicious orange. But they didn't listen, right? How is such a thing? The Maharal speaks about it, that the Eibishter wanted they shouldn't listen, so He put in the briyah that there should be a metzius that you shouldn't listen, and that's why later on, when Adam HaRishon didn't listen, arurah ha'adamah, they cursed the earth, says the Maharal, because it all came from the sheirish of the earth. She'ein aleiha ... But l'maaseh, rabosai, there's one tree that did listen, and the esrog listened, gekokht, and that's why, she'taam etzai u'piryo shav, daz steht in the Gemara. So if so, kumt ois that that's tzaddik, that's why we look and we find in the remazim that the esrog is ... tzaddik, and that's the hiddur. What's the hiddur of the esrog? The hiddur of the esrog is— Tzadik. Listen to the Rabbeinu Shalom. ... shetam eitza u'piryo shavin. Now, grada, grada, if you want a shtikel drasha, can I eat the tree? I never tried. Go ahead. Read the Rambam. I know, of course he brings the famous Rambam. So read it clearly. Let the oilam hear it. Hasmachtos. Yeah, we always knew there was no... Second thing he says, ... nikra b'lashon haRambam esrog, and our mekor, it's ... That's the actual name. Okay, so that's your— you want to know what the targum is? And our Rambam is, it's what? It's esrog. So the other thing is that the word hadar— maybe he'll tachkidush. Let's see if he knows. The third pshat he says is that the most hadar fruit happens to be an esrog. That's true. But we have to discuss that. We're going to have to discuss. There's a very interesting sefer about that last piece of Ramban. You just reminded me. You just reminded me. You know, I'll say it now, because I'll excite you. I'll show you that the shiur is going to be a mixture of halacha and interesting things, because we have to mix it, otherwise the oilam is going to fall asleep on me, including me. Ani b'soicha, because I'm exhausted tonight, rabosai. So I have to wake myself up. Tell me, an esrog— esrog is called esrog? That's its real name? That's its nickname. Its real name is not esrog. According to the Ramban, its real name is hadar. In lashon kodesh, an esrog is called hadar. So you walk into the store and you say, Do you have a hadardike hadar? And the guy looks at you and goes, What did you say? What are you talking about? Say, I'm a ... Ramban. Ramban in Chumash. Ramban in Chumash says that the esrog... It's a Hebrew name. Hebrew. Its Hebrew name is Hadar. You knew this? Okay, now you know. The Rambam says, don't pay attention to all the Gemaras that says hadar bilanah. It's not negei; these are just remazim and asmachtas. The real thing is, we know from the esrog and the lulav is, and that's how he follows, says the Rambam, and the Ramban brings down this Rambam as well. We spoke about that tam etz pri yashavin is one of the things that the esrog is. Tam etz, right? Etz pri, tam etz, that the tree and the fruit is the same. So we said that the Maharal explains that that's the ma'alah of the esrog, because the esrog listened to the Eibishter. The Eibishter wanted etz pri oseh pri, that the tree and the fruit should be the same. The only one that listened was the esrog. Huh? You tasted it? Okay. So I want to teach you what this might mean. I have a, you know, like I said, I always come in unprepared, sometimes better than prepared. When I'm unprepared, I'm usually better. In my mind, if you know how the esrog blossoms, it begins actually as a flower.

An esrog is actually a flower that blossoms into a fruit, okay? Which means the esrog started off as an etz. So think about it: etz pri, that the etz and the pri is the same. Cinnamon is the bark of the tree. Maybe there's something like the bark. Right, so he's asking if you taste—so he wants to say that, that if you tasted the tree and you ground it, would it have the same taste? I don't know. But I can tell you that in my mind, if you realize—and I think the bichlach, the picture bichlach show you how the esrog begins, not at all. It's licked in cup. It's licked in cup that the bichlach, the sheinah bichlach. I have trouble with that book, by the way. Got a lot of trouble with that book. Maybe he's machria, or maybe he's b'kitzur, maybe, I don't know. Something—it's, we have to talk about a lot of things he writes in there. Okay, b'kitzur. Oh, see, I don't know this. Every fruit—yeah, an orange starts off as a flower? Yeah. That's what it is. It becomes fruit. That's the blossoms. Aha. That's where it comes. But a fruit grows. A fruit grows just as a blossom. The center of the flower is the stigma. Okay, so I take that back. Okay, then forgive me, okay? I just was throwing something out. All right. Al kol panim, taamei Tzofri yishavin. That's what the ma'alah is, that listen to the Eibishter. Possibly that's also the pshat: hadar bi'lon mi'shanah l'shanah. When you listen to the Eibishter, rabosai, you could be dor mi'shanah l'shanah. There's no falling, there's no rotting, there's no—it's dor bi'lon mi'shanah l'shanah. You chapped, you chapped it. It's interesting. Okay, this is all good drush. Now let's talk l'maaseh. An esrog, what does an esrog look like? So I see you have the bichale there. Show everybody, because we're going to learn the top of the esrog is called a shoshanta, which means it looks like a little piece of bark, right? The bulb part is called a shoshanta, okay? Shoshanta. Does he bring it? Does he bring the picture there? Huh? Shoshanta is a crown. A crown. You know what it looks like? The top, like if Sefer Torah has a crown, you know, this looks something like that. It's called a shoshanta. He brings it. Okay, does he call it the shoshanta? He teaches you the shoshanta? No. All right, but show everybody what the shoshanta is. Now, the shoshanta is attached to something called the pitam. Now, why am I doing this? Because if you only knew how difficult the word pitam is, and how many complex halachas is based on understanding well what the pitam is, you'll realize that it's important to know well the word pitam. So the pitam is what the shoshanta stands on. Then after that is something called a dad. A dad is the top part, where it starts to, you know, become a—what would we call that, like a ball—that the pitam is on. The little round, the little— No, no, no. After the pitam, it starts the top, the actual esrog. That's called the dad. After that, as it slopes down, you have a chaitem. Chaitem means a nose, actually. This is the dad? That's right. That's the dad. That part is the dad. This circle, what he circled, is the dad. Not all esrogim look like that. Okay, we'll discuss. I wish—I don't have, I'm sorry. And again, like I said, rabosai, if I'm not 100% clear tonight, you'll be meichel me, very, very tight, very, very tight. But I'll try my best, with the help of the Eibishter. The dad is that little whole thing? No, no, no, no. The whole green thing is the dad? It גרד in this picture, it's that. The sheishant is that little top. The chitim— The chitim on the picture? The chitim is this stick here? This. You know why you learned that? That's Shulchan Aruch sounds it. Let me tell you where the problem is. The Shulchan Aruch calls the pitum the sheishant, and the Rambam calls the sheishant the pitum, and the Rambam calls the chitim the pitum. Just listen to me. Trust me, for the sake of learning the halachos that it's so. And if you want, if you look at the Biur Halacha, se'if yud-beis in Taf-Reish Mem-ches, he brings the Rambam. That's where you got it from, right? No, whatever. I just don't know what you're— Okay, so let's go simple. This is the sheishant. That ball. All right? Such a funny way of saying it, a ball. Okay. The crown. The crown. That's really what I'd like to call it. The crown is the sheishant. The stick that it stands on is the pitum. The dad.

is where, you see where he has the arrow? That's the beginning of the daat. The actual part. Okay. Then the top part is called the chaytim. Now why is this important? Because pesulim in the chaytim are much stricter than pesulim in the rest of the... Where's the daat end in the chotem? There's no measurement for that. It's just the daat is as it begins, and the chaytim is that whole top part. There's a very big nafka minas lahalacha. It's more chamur. Psul mara, psul mara is pasul b'ma'ashu by the chaytim. Anything that changes colors, we'll get to it. Again, I just want you to get familiarized. Who? The daat is the beginning, and the chaytim is the... It's in the same. There is nafka minas lahalacha, yes. I'm saying it for a reason, because there are nafka minas lahalacha. There is. There is by nekudos, by daas. We'll get to it a little bit later, all right? The rest of it is called gufa esrik, which is self-understood. I don't have to explain it. Afterwards, on the bottom, like when you put an esrik down, it's called moishav. It's called the moishav ha'esrik, which is the base of the esrik. And then the uketz is that little piece that—it's like a piece of a wood, uketz, stem. And that, of course, is going to be a very important halachos in regard to the stem, all right? For the sake of getting familiarized—see, I'm getting the word better and better—and for beginning to get your feet wet, so to speak, in the whole thing, I'm going to make you a checklist. I want you to listen to a checklist of what's kosher and not kosher in an esrik, and then we're going to have a checklist what's mehudar and not mehudar in an esrik. The first thing I'm going to talk about is esrik v'loy murkav. Mustama, everybody heard the word murkiv, right? The biggest chiddush, and maybe the biggest pele of the sugya of esrog, is the word murkiv. Because as I'll show you, it's not mentioned not in the Gemara, not in the Rishonim, not in the Shulchan Aruch, nowhere. And yet it's the biggest tumah in Hilchos Esrog. It's not a kilayim. Why is it such a pashut zach? Many Acharonim are matir murkivos, vas, it's so pashut, every pashut. Murkiv is kilayim. Without a re'ayah, it's not a hodor. It's not a hodor. It's not something that... You injected something. It's... You saying it really is esrog. Okay, we're going to learn there's a Mishnah Berurah that's machmir. Huh? He brings down the what? That there is a mekor for it? A mixture. Mishnah Berurah. That's exactly what I just told you. It's exactly what it is. It's a Mishnah Berurah, which is a ma'amar Chazal. We'll get to it in a few... Pashut murkiv, it's a graft. No, so it's not an esrog. I said esrog v'loi murkiv. It's not an esrog. You need an esrog. Where's it coming from, a lemon tree? Well, they make them... Now you want to know, there's many ways they can graft it. They can graft the fruit, they can graft it through the trees, through the branches. It's not negeia, okay? Bottom line is we don't take murkivs, and the velt is, murkiv, murkiv, murkiv. We're going to talk about it in a few minutes. But that's esrog v'loi murkiv. So that's your first thing. You walk into the store, you got to make sure: is it a murkiv? And obviously it's probably not, because that's the whole idea with the different esrogim, where they come from, it has to do with the yichus, has to do with the murkiv. The main problem is the murkiv. That's the whole story. The yaneh, the metateimim, the chazan, it's all about murkiv. And the whole murkiv, rabosai... is a no-show in the Shulchan Aruch or anywhere. I'll show you where the first mekor is. It's a teshuvas HaRama. And to me, the pele is that the Rama himself doesn't bring it in Shulchan Aruch. That I don't get. The teshuvas HaRama speaks about it, but for some reason it's not in Shulchan Aruch. Okay, so let's just take it for a fact: esrig v'loy murkav. Okay, the next thing you have to check is hadar. Now there's two types of hadar. There's hadar l'ikuva, which means that it pasuls the esrog, and then there's hadar which is hiddurim. The hadar which pasuls the esrog is psul mara and psul chaser. There are two categories. Sometimes it's pasul because of what it looks like, and sometimes it's pasul because it's missing; it's chaser. We're going to talk about chaser. Chaser is an interesting halacha, because we're not even sure what the chisaron of chaser is. Is the chisaron of chaser that it's not hadar? But let's just say that for argument's sake right now it's hadar, and there's two problems in hadar. First problem is what? What it looks like. And two, it has to be complete.

And not missing. The next part that you have to check on the checklist is the shiur. Very important that it should have a shiur. There are esrogim that are very small. Rebbes like to take tiny little esrogim, you know that. Oh, there's two types, there's two types. There's the Rebbes, some of them that take the big ones, and then there's the Rebbes that like, because it's very easy to hold, and it's those little esrogim. So you have to make sure there's a shiur. That's in Taf-Reish Mem Ches, se'if chav-beis, that the shiur is k'beitzah, and the Biur Halacha comes along and says that the shiur is like two beitzim. You should try to make sure that it's like two beitzim. So, let's look there quickly. The shiur of the esrog, Shulchan Aruch, Taf-Reish Mem Ches, se'if chav-beis. Okay, we'll talk l'maaseh afterwards, but let's first get the checklist. I want to give you an acquaintance with the checklist. Like this, you'll know what this is as an index to what we're going to talk about. Taf-Reish Mem Ches, se'if chav-beis. Know who's reading. Shiur esrog. What's the shiur of an esrog? K'beitzah. What? Pachos mi'kebeitzah is pasul. What does the Biur Halacha say? You should make sure it's what? No? Beitzah? No? Biur Halacha? That's that famous Biur Halacha that the beitzim are not the same, and therefore what? Lofi daas... Okay, so remember. Number two. Guys, we're talking about it later. I'm not going to sit there and hack with you over the exact shiur of an esrog. I'll hack with you later, but just get a ... boys. First know what an esrog is, and then you can start picking at it. Someone once came to my zeide with an esrog. My zeide didn't like dishonest, you know, external, you know, frum. It had to be real. And sometimes this is, you know, my zeide used to say that if a person would take the esrog in his table, and the mirror he would bring to shul, the mirror would be so big and the esrog would be this tiny little esrog. Some of it is, Yisroel, my esrog, Yisroel, my esrog. There's some of that. Rabbonus, Rabbonus didn't like the external. Someone once came to my zeide and asked, Is it kosher? My zeide looked at kosher. Kosher. Started bothering my grandfather after every little thing. So my grandfather saw he's just hacking. So my zeide asked him, Yourself, you're also boydik so well? I mean, every night when you go to sleep, you think maybe I... You're boydik the esrog so well. Zichalim, is eich boydik azoi gut? Kitzer, rabosai, we're going to do all this. We're going to do it, and we're going to even talk. Should a guy sit with a loupe? A lot of people sit there with loupes and magnifying glasses, telescopes. Chas v'shalom, you don't do all that. We'll talk about it. Everyone does. I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm just saying, okay. Some people have activities. They listen to baseball games. Okay, listen to me carefully. You know, we're going to split up what's halacha and what's chumrah and what's the right thing and the nice thing to do, okay, but just— Bear with me. I'm doing it in a way, I'm giving in. I'm going to teach a little bit, give you a little gishmak, a little teach a little gishmak with this, the whole thing. It's because I want to get it all in a package that you should get it. Okay. So we have the three things so far: eshig v'loy murkiv, hadar, two categories, psul mareh and chaser, and the third thing is the shiur. The what, the what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what he said. Why he holds he doesn't have good eyesight, you mean? Mishtei tachlar, that the way to check it is like this. Yeah, because that's what it says. That's what it says, Shulchan Aruch, that that's—you're supposed to check like this, not like this. I'm saying, what normal, what you hold a cup in front of you. Huh? I'm not saying. Yeah, because that's Rav Hilda—Rav Hilda David is following the Shulchan Aruch, and the yeshiva is busy with it. I'm not saying—I'll tell you a good maiseh. I heard this from an Adria, and again, rabosai.

I'm only trying to get you geshmack in the sugya. We're gonna cover everything, from A to Z. You're gonna get the whole thing. Reb Eliezer is very into schaig. That's his thing. He takes many of them, and... so they say, for some of that was there. I heard this from a person that saw this. Reb Eliezer put away twenty or thirty... no good for him. They weren't good. Rav Moshe zatzal, the tzaddik livracha, walked in afterwards, and he looked at the table where that Reb Eliezer pasled. He looked, picked up one... He's gonna take them all for MTJ. He wants to give them all to me. He didn't do anything wrong with it. He walked in, he looked at it. Reb Eliezer was spending hours this... this kasha. The rabbeim were all good. We'll talk about it. Now, what's the tzurah? I heard it from a person that was there. What's the tzurah? Yeah, I'm saying, the Mir, they were very makpid not to waste time on it. Bitul Torah, ein bitul Torah. Rav Asher Eli used to say it. He says it over every year: My hanhagah is the... shen still, ein bitul Torah. Okay. The tzurah—you have to know what a tzuras esrog looks like. It's an interesting sugya. It's rachav lematah u'miskatzer klapei ma'alah. It's a little bit thicker on the bottom, and it comes up to a thin point. Pirsha. Okay. Now, of course, you don't sit there with a ruler, even though the hiddur is that it should be that way. All I'm trying to say is, lafukei kadur. Something which is round like a ball is not kosher. That's brought down in Shulchan Aruch, siman... Something which is round like a ball. I see, they have them. They have that round like a ball. They have them. People don't know, and they buy. People don't even know. They sell right before—right before people just buy them. Yeah, yeah, you gotta be careful. Round like a ball is not kosher. Chas only the first day. We're gonna talk about that. This is pasul, pasul. We'll discuss it, we'll discuss it. Again, so there's different ones, some are kosher, some are not kosher. Rabosai, we'll cover it all. Now, the next thing you have to know, it has to be something which is mutar b'achilah. It has to be something that you're allowed to eat. For example, orlah or tevel, it's not kosher. Okay, so when you buy in the store, you don't have to worry about it. Obviously, it was checked for all these things. This is the psulim, the checklist for kosher and pasul. How about hidurim? What's mehudar? Now we'll discuss the pitim in great length. Years ago, Rav Scheinberg told me this, I heard this from Rav Shlomo Zalman, that it's a hiddur to have an esrog with a pitam. It's a hiddur to have an esrog with a pitam. Now it's interesting, I think the later-day sefarim are not into that, that there's a hiddur to have it, you know, if it fell off before, if it grows without it. But Rav Shlomo Zalman told me clearly that there's a hiddur to have with a pitam, and we'll discuss why. We'll discuss why is there a hiddur to have an esrog with a pitam. So what I mean to say is, even where the pitam is not a problem, maybe there's a hiddur maybe to have a pitam. The next thing is that the chitim should be completely clean. The chitim, that's the part on top, should be completely clean. Also, clean, clean. That's the hidurim. The hidurim is the chitim should be spotless. So when you look at an esrog, you know, first thing you look is the top to make sure it's clean, clean. ... Okay. Especially, you said that if it's dirty, it's ... it's ... Okay. Yeah, I know exactly. ... It's not the first day. ... We'll talk about it in a few minutes. We'll get there. Okay. Now you have to know that the pitam... And the ukitz have to be aligned. Sometimes, like, you look, it's on a curve, and that's not a mehuderdike esrog. Not necessarily pasul, but it's not a mehuderdike esrog. And then there's something called shkiyos u'blitos, which means that it has bumps, and it goes in and out. It's a hiddur. It shouldn't be chalak like a lemon. If it's chalak like a lemon, it's a hiddur. It's a hiddur to have blitos, shkiyos u'blitos. That's important, sure. Anything with—huh? If it's completely, you know, sometimes people like it's completely, then it looks like a lemon. And one of the simanim of an esrog is that it has bumps, a bisel, but bumps. Okay. What's called hadar? So the Chasam Sofer in Sukkah daf lamed-vav says hadar isn't what people think is hadar. They walk into the store, That's a nice esrog. You know what they like about it? It fits into their esrog box.

It matches the cover that he has on his esrog. He doesn't bring this mashal, but that's the mashal that he meant. He meant to say was hadar means lahalacha. What's lahalacha hadar? So therefore you have to know what's called hadar lahalacha. Now let's talk the esrog v'loy murkav. So first of all, like I told you, there's no makor. There's no makor for murkav. It doesn't say it anywhere—not Bavli, Yerushalmi, Rishonim, Acharonim—it's nowhere. Mishnah Berurah, taf reish mem ches, se'if katan samech hei, starts discussing all this sugya about murkav, and that's where it all comes from. So go ahead, rabosai, taf reish mem ches, se'if katan samech hei. You with me, Mati? You ready to buy an esrog? With me or better without me? Maybe you're scared to buy without me. I hear. Or maybe not. I make it sound like I'm an easy customer. I'm not such an easy customer. Nu, who's reading? Nu, veget lein, chad leisa gadol. Nu, lein, nu, samech hei. Let's go, nu. Hiskimu haposkim. Who are these poskim? Mikri esrog. Klal. It's not called an—go ahead, yeah. Oh, Magen Avraham. You like it? So where is it in the Magen Avraham then? Yeah, good. That's it. It's not Shulchan Aruch, it's not a Tur, it's not a Rishon. What? Magen Avraham, and the Mishnah Berurah says it's okay. Okay. There's like as big a list as I've ever seen. Yeah, because you know why? It's a tumah, because it's a tumah. He's saying a good vort, which, by the way, I forgot—I'm saying, now that you mentioned it, I once brought this out. Because it's such a controversial thing, you look at the Shaar HaTziyun, he brings Chasam Sofer and this. He doesn't have to quote such a list for, because it's not so pashut. He's trying to convince you, so to speak, that there's a lot. I have a kashya for you. If the Rama talks about it, so why was the Rama not mentioning it? Why would the Rama not mention it? Because he wrote it after. What after? Because the Rama wrote his sefer after the Rama? I don't think it's true. I don't think it's true. The Rama, rabosai, is the Teshuvos siman kuf yud zayin. You can look it up. It talks about the inyan of the murkav. It's a peleh. Now, could a person know if it's a murkav or not? So the truth is, they tried to bring simanim. They tried, they tried, they tried, and there are simanim brought down in the sefarim about it. L'maaseh, the Chasam Sofer on Shulchan Aruch says there's no siman for a murkav. There is no way, possibly, to see. No, with the seeds—I know that they all bring the seeds. The Chazon Ish, the Igros writes the same thing. The Chazon Ish was very makpid on the inyan of the murkav, and he says there's no way, there's no way to know if something is a murkav. No way. So how do you ever know if something is a murkav? So we're soon going to learn that it has to be done with a hechsher. The Brisker Rav—it's ידוע, very famous—the Brisker Rav said he would bechalal never make a bracha on an esrog because safek murkav to him, and therefore it's a safek bracha levatala. The only reason why he made a bracha is because l'maaseh his father made a bracha, so therefore he's doing it also. Famous Brisker Rav. So how do we know that it's not murkav then? Huh? They have special trees. They have special trees. I'll tell you what it was. The Chazon Ish—I'll give you the history. It's a shaila if you went to Tzfas or if you went to Acco, you know, the tumah. It's a whole—okay, so should I tell the oilam? Originally, the Teimanesh Rogim was supposed to be bichlal not murkav, and that's why the Briskers, they love the Teimanesh Rogim. That's the big thing. Do I take a Teimanesh? Yes. I have two cheshbonos why I take it. One is because the Briskers, the chachma, and the second reason is my brother Shver, he's this Teiman that sells it, Rabbi Guri. Oh, איצ'ה Guri. And he runs after me every year. For months in advance, you're buying the esrog for me, and I don't have the heart not to, so I buy the esrog for him. So people think I'm machmir on the Teiman esrog, which is true also, but there's two cheshbonos, okay? Al kol panim, the Teiman esrog officially was supposed to be not murkav. The Chazon Ish came along and said that that's not true. That was only in the beginning. But years later, he felt that they takke mixed everything up, and it's not muchach even on the Teimanesh Rogim. The Teimanim say it's not true. The Chazon Ish never said it. You speak to Rabbi Guri, he has papers and zachin gedolim and ma'ases. It's the best business. This is it.

Business of, is it murkiv? Mine is murkiv and yours is not. That's the business of today. Everybody's coming to say the other guy's is not. All right. His murkiv. Say his is not murkiv and the other guy's is a murkiv. Say. L'maisa, they brought to the Chazon Ish esrogim from Tzfas, and they said the Chazon Ish looked at it and he studied it, and that this is not a murkiv. He decided it's not a murkiv, and then they went and they planted. That's Braverman's esrogim. That's Braverman's. Well, yeah, right, right. They say they went himself. He saw it on a tree and he took it because he saw for sure that it's not a murkiv. This is the story. And some say that actually it wasn't even in Tzfas; actually it was from Acco. You know, they say that they took from Acco. All right. Maaseh Chazonish esrogim, bilti mukaf. We'll talk about it at a different time, which esrog we should buy. There's seven or eight different types of esrogim. Seven or eight Chazonish? No, there's seven or eight different types of esrogim. Now, I have to of course tell you the other flip side of the coin. Now that I told you how murkiv is such a gefelach, unbelievable, terrible, let's look at the Bikurei Yaakov that the Biur Halacha brings down in tof-reish-mem-ches, divrei hamaschil shedaima. He brings a very nice Bikurei Yaakov, I would say. If you take the seed, it's still murkiv. It's always murkiv. Once a murkiv, always a murkiv. You can't get rid of murkiv. Murkiv is a genetic disease. You can't get rid of it, okay? You saw the Bikurei Yaakov? Go ahead, go ahead. Ameileh the Bikurei Yaakov takes all the guys and sends them out of business. Reuv. He goes after Reuv. Read it again, because you see, the way you said it, that you weren't convincing. You have to be very convincing about this. He's saying, ... only something, so you go ... No, al meit. If anyone doesn't want to look inside, so I don't have a problem. Take it. The Pri Megadim gives the Mishnah Berurah halachos. It's one of the most—this is one of the most biggest Biur Halachos that everybody's busy with. ... Yeah, but it might be a mixture. The problem is that it might be a mixture. Okay, so after you see this Biur Halacha, after this Biur Halacha, he says that you don't have—it's not rov of them. He says that rov are not, no? Did you see it? How do you know that? You know what the Pri Megadim is? Because achlan now, we pasken like the achlan now, halacha k'moisei b'chol makom, you know that? Even on this ... Especially in hilchos sukkah and hilchos lulav and esrog, Pri Megadim, what's that? No, I'm not telling you, but I'm just showing you he held that most of them is not a problem. The only thing is, I—yeah, I don't know if he says it. It could be it's a Mishnah Berurah. I don't remember him saying it. Okay, okay, so he's saying l'dina tzarichi, but l'maaseh you have to keep this in mind. Keep in mind, the only thing is, the only thing is, the only thing is— Maybe the Berku Yankiv was talking in his time. That's the only thing I... because it was a different time already, so then it's different, you know what I'm saying? Could be today, the pot is worse. And why do I think it's worse? Because today we graft so many different types of fruits and vegetables. You know, most of our fruits today never existed years ago. Mitz Hashem, I'm going to give you a whole shtikel Torah. What bracha do you make on a papaya? What? Who said? That's right. I think you should make a adama, maybe. Not so poshut. A lot of it's grafted. It's different. Raspberries—what bracha do you make on raspberries? Eitz. Like adama? Not so poshut. It's a bush. Yeah, but a bush. Okay, rabosai, what it has to do with today, our fruits and vegetables are so hazy, we don't even know if they began on a tree and they ended up on a bush, if they started on a bush and ended up on a tree. Today you walk into a store, you have 50 different shechiyanu. First of all, what's last? What bracha do you make on chocolate? Eitz. Maybe you have to make an eitz. Okay, now this is just...

To bring out a point. You don't know, you might, you don't know you have to make an eitz on chocolate? No, no, it's only on shita. It's only on shita that you say it. Okay, Rabosai, this was just to bring out a point. Okay, Rabosai, this was just to bring out a point. My head is spinning, Rabosai, my head is spinning. Okay, I have to go. Okay, you ready? Listen carefully, Rabosai. Point being, point being, today it's a whole business to make murkav. That's the business of the day. So it's very shayach that today the bikur yankev is not needed. That's just my own footnote. It's a footnote to this bikur yankev, but you have to know there's such a bikur yankev. Okay? So this, Rabosai, is the murkav. Yes, murkav or not murkav? Pashtus, you should be careful from the murkav, as they state in Mishnah Berurah. Know that it's a later-day issue. For some reason it's not brought down in Shulchan Aruch, meisich nisht, but l'maaseh you need a hashgacha. If you look at the Mishnah Berurah, so how do you know murkav or not murkav? The way to do it is hashgacha. Without a hashgacha, you... nothing. The people have yichus. Yichus, they know when they planted it. If you know something is murkav, is there any... there's the whole discussion, why? Yes. First of all, there's a few shailos in Acharonim which I don't want to talk about right now, because I'd rather show it to you inside. I don't want to be the... The birur of beit pesakim. You know, I don't want people to say it's my fault that I said it. There's a big shaila if you can make a bracha on a murkav b'di'eved. There's a whole shaila on a safek murkav, and then there's a third shaila. Even according to the shitos that say that murkav is no good, there's a shaila in the poskim: maybe you should take a murkav anyway, shelo tishtakach esrog. It's another shaila. Even according to the poskim that hold it's not an esrog, they hold it's a lemon, but is it a lemon and not an esrog, or is it a lemon and an esrog? Every murkav could be— Yes, that's part of that shaila. The shaila is, should you take shelo tishtakach? The Gemara says not, but this could be different, because it's part esrog. Tomorrow, rabosai, I will show you all this inside, because I don't want to be mizapt. All consent, but ... on this murkav, and then again I have twenty people sitting here at my door bothering me. I don't have the patience and time for that. Okay. Now— Huh? You're laughing. You know people had ta'anos because I said over the Yerushalmi. Shabbos. Are you talking you said over such a Yerushalmi? Which one? You want to hear? You missed a gevaldige Yerushalmi, that Moshe Rabbeinu didn't have ameilus baTorah, and therefore, Yerushalmi says, therefore he put first the skeinim and then the rosh. Moshe and Yehoshua did the opposite: shivteichem, zikneichem. So which one came first, the roshim? Why did the skeinim come first? Because he didn't appreciate the skeinim, because they had a— you have to have ameilus baTorah first, Yerushalmi, end of Horayos. So we brought it down. I don't want to go in. So a person came and complained, How you talking? I said, Not now, rabosai. I thought you all here. You see, if you're not here, you lose. That's what happens. Okay. Now let's talk about psul marah, the psul, what it's supposed to look like, okay? So before we talk about psul marah, let's talk about—does anybody know what it's supposed to look like? So every book writes the same thing: yellow, yellow. Tell me, could you find me where it says that it's supposed to be yellow? It doesn't say it's supposed to be yellow. But every book writes that. Okay, so the truth is, so the truth is, they're not wrong. It's a Tosafos. Tosafos in Sukkah, daf lamed-vav. You ready? It's a Shach in Yoreh Deah, by chelbon. He talks about the egg, and he says the egg and the esrog, the inside of the egg and the esrog, when he talks about the egg with the kashrus and the eggs, lamed ches, se'if katan beis, the Shach, famous Shach, that the inside of the egg and the esrog look the same because it has to be yellow. The esrog is supposed to be yellow, so it's a Shach, it's true, and it's true, it's a Tosafos in Sukkah, and because of that, all the bichalach—does that bichalach have it? This book brings it down that it should l'chatchilah be yellow. Okay, the only problem is, this is what they say, that it should be yellow, okay?

Can I ask you a question? The Mishnah Berurah— Bill, walk into something about could even be a tiny little— Wait, wait, slowly, slowly, slowly. I just first want to talk about yellow. I'm trying— what is it supposed to look like when you walk into the store? Wow, that looks nice. What looks nice? Because it's yellow? Who said? Maybe it's supposed to be green. Let's talk about the Mishnah Berurah not talking about yellow, because he doesn't talk about yellow. What he does talk about is green. So let's look at Taf Reish Mem Ches, se'if katan samach daled and samach hei, that actually— Taf Reish Mem Ches, se'if katan samach daled. And therefore I'm going to say, rabosai, there's no reason for an esrog to be yellow. I don't believe it's true, because the Mishnah— that's what it says. I don't make up things. The Mishnah Berurah never said it's supposed to be yellow. And if you follow the Mishnah Berurah, why don't you follow him all the way? Again, if the Mishnah Berurah didn't write— because you're used to being yellow. If every esrog is green, you want to— I don't know. Don't you think that the Mishnah Berurah should write to me that an esrog should be yellow l'chatchila, and it's the more yellow the better? But the Mishnah Berurah was making— anyways, to begin with, because there wasn't— Tzadik, let me tell you something. Yeshiva Olam stands on every os that the Mishnah Berurah writes, and that's how we follow, and rightfully so. Mishnah Berurah was like the navi of the dor before us. Everywhere is like a nevuah. So if he doesn't make mention, and we pasken like this shita, who says it's true? I'm sure the Mishnah Berurah knew the Shach, and I'm sure the Mishnah Berurah knew the Taz. No mention of it. Okay. L'maaseh, what's the halacha by green? Kasher or not kasher? It doesn't mention it. Again, show me where the Mishnah Berurah writes that an esrog has to be yellow. I'd like to see where it's brought down. It doesn't brought down anywhere. That's not something to you. To me, that's something very, very strong. That's a strong ha'arah. Not very green. The only thing is, it can't be very, very green. Okay. So what's called very, very green? It doesn't even talk about the color, really. It's just the... Whatever it is, it doesn't say anywhere that the color should be yellow. It doesn't say. So it's something I think we should point out. Now, green, it can't be completely green, right? Says the Mishnah Berurah, even if it is completely green, but if it begins a little bit to have little matziv, a little bit like a gold starts to, then it's kosher, even if it's what? If it's green. So there's a very interesting psak from Rav Chaim Kanievsky, b'shem the Chazon Ish, that even if it's going to turn a little yellow after Yontif, you don't have to be that it turns yellow on Yontif when you use it. Even if it turns yellow after Yontif, it's already good. ... The Chazon Ish says... So l'maaseh, when you take it, it's green like chveizvas. So you're saying because that's the vart. The ikur is that the Gemara... That's the Chazon Ish's. The Chazon Ish is saying a vart, that since it's not a question of you need it green or not green, it's a question of is it nigmar pri. Even if later, after Yontif... How long after Yontif? It doesn't even say how long. I'll tell you another chiddush here. It says, Reb Chaim, what happens if it's so green, and on its own it's not even going to turn yellow, but you put in the apples. You know how you do the apples, and then it turns a little bit. It's also good, because again, the min, the min of the pri. You're saying the Mishnah Berurah itself says this also. Where does he say it? I understand, but it has to be that it's a little bit yarok. No, it will come. But when? It doesn't say. So that's the chiddush of the Chazon Ish, that it could be even two months from now. It doesn't make any difference. Okay, good, he's saying a vort, and he's adding that even if you make it yellow, even if you make it yellow, it's good. Okay. I have to tell you that this is one shita. The truth is the Bach is cholek on this. The like Bach. What's the Bach? Because the Bach says it's not about, rabosai, it. It's about hadar. When it's green green, it's not pretty. So therefore, good, he brings the Bach. Wait a minute, so listen. Some people paint it yellow. A lot of times you take a— You paint it yellow? A lot of times every year I pick up the—

That's something else. That's because they do with the apple, and the lechluches comes out. There's a very famous Chazon Ish about that, okay, if you want. Huh? The Chazon Ish says an interesting part. It shows that you use it. That's the Chasam Sofer. What you're saying is the Chasam Sofer. Then there's a Chazon Ish. What happens if lechluches comes out of an esrog? Is it kosher? Only for Yom Tov, no? No. He says that's not called chaser, because there's no chaser on the lechluches, only on the cheftza. So the way you test yavesh is by sticking the string in and seeing if there's any lechluches. I'm sorry, because I got excited. I got excited. I have a gadol baTorah sitting here and I should be excited. That's his raya, the Chazon Ish. You're here? I'm blazing. Chavai Chazon Ish. I don't even know how he chapped it in a minute. That's the Chazon Ish's raya, because since I put it in, and that's how you test. How do you test a yavesh? Are you pulling out some of the lechluches? There it is, says the Chazon Ish. You see the lechluches. It's yavesh. You don't need chapa ma'avid. It's yavesh. That's why it's kosher. Okay. So l'maaseh, the bach... Blazing. You don't know how happy... You're a talmid chacham. You don't know how good he is. ... should learn. Listen. Okay. After yesterday's shiur, I get all my kapparah from Busha, so you help me in two ways. Let me tell you, halavai you should get a zelche busha all your life, that people should give you kavod and it turns into busha. There's a different type of busha. There's busha that's real busha. So if you're getting busha from the kavod, halavai you should get that type of busha all your life. The Kitzur ... I'm very happy. Okay, the Aruch LaNer, Rabosai, says that we pasken like the Bach, that the olam should know we pasken like the Bach. That even though the Bach, the Mishnah Berurah says not like that, says the Aruch LaNer, bal nefesh yachmir kaBach. So it's interesting. It's an interesting point that the green esrog, the Bach says is not good. I don't know. And the Aruch LaNer takke says not to use a green esrog. The Bach says a yellow esrog? Green, green. Green, green esrog. The Bach is not to use it. So how's it different? They say over from Reb Elyashiv that you should never think about green and not green because they don't exist anymore. The green that the Shulchan Aruch says is not good, Chazon Ish Reb Elyashiv says that that's called a flaw. It doesn't—something that's sick. It's not a regular esrog. How's the Bach different from— The Bach is saying that it's no good. The Mishnah Berurah is saying if it will turn a little bit yellow— He says not so green, lo kol kach. Right, but it's a little bit. So the Bach is saying that it's no good even if it will turn. It doesn't make a difference, because l'maaseh it sounds פסול הודר. So what's the difference if it turns or doesn't turn? Okay, Rabosai, we have to have ma'ariv. After ma'ariv, ten minutes, we'll just zoom a little bit, because I want to—you should walk away with the davar shalem. We're up to page five. We'll page nine, we'll be able to do it in five minutes. ... That's the ... ... Because if it would be chaser, so then you just ruined your esrog. ... Yeah, no, that's what you're supposed to do. ... Yeah, it's kosher. The witness that comes out, it's not lichluch anymore. There's a little wetness that goes on. So you see that taking out wetness does not make it chaser. That's the raya. That's exactly right. I know, I understand that. I understand what you're saying. I'm saying the wetness that comes out, it's not actual ... It's called a feat. It's something good. It's a good thing. But it's missing now. The question is if missing wetness is that called chaser. You see that it's not. Otherwise, ... I mean—

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Amen. Preview. Try, try. Okay. You know what? Should we do five minutes just to make a real, like what we can do tomorrow? Well, to see Mishas? No. What? This is five minutes. Which seder are you taking? Shabbos. Well, we're gonna have a meeting after Shishama. We have to take care of this matter, what happened with that meeting. Oh no, Reb Chaim wants to do conference call. Very busy. No, but the pleasure, I can't get a hold of him. What's his name? What's the person's name? Pleasure. You see, Friday night. No, I need this ... Okay, so let's just do five minutes, like, because I like to learn a lot, you know? If we learn a lot, then, Baruch Hashem, we did good. So let's just do a little bit more here, and then ... like, we'll be the hakdamah for tomorrow, okay? No, no, I don't want to miss. I really have to go. You really have to go? So you know what? No, but we're gonna go over anyway tomorrow. I just want to just make, like, a quick ... Yeah, because I just want a davar shali. Okay. Now, shinui ma'arah. Let's just talk for one minute, shinui ma'arah, all right? What's shinui ma'arah? What's shinui ma'arah? So let's take a look at the Mishnah Berurah, se'if katan lamed ches. Go ahead. Pasken for the olam. Shinui ma'arah. What is shinui ma'arah? No, you went through Maariv? Yeah. Here, I ... You know, it sounds familiar. You ever hear Reb Eliyahu Lapian's mussar shmuzen? It's gevaldik. I once, years ago as a bochur, I heard Reb Eliyahu Lapian's shmuz on a tape. He starts off, you know what I'm talking about? I heard the tape. He starts off like this. He starts off bissel, like a minute or two mussar. ... love his ... in the middle of mussar shmuz, he starts ... You heard the maaseh. Yeah. Hopefully screaming, ah! In the middle of the shmuz, he started shmuz, and then like out of ... he says, ... and he starts the ... in the middle of the shmuz. Gevaldik. Okay, so we have Maariv in the middle of the shmuz, all right? So let's see Mishnah Berurah se'if katan lamed ches. Yeah. No, shinui ma'arah. What's shinui ma'arah? No. The what? The what? Yeah, it's eino hadar. It's no good. She'eino me'arev. Okay. What happens if it's she'eino me'arev because it turned brown? Turned brown. You know, a person touches his esrog, eventually turn—especially some people, you know, they daven a lot, you know, Hallel and they're—so it turns brown over Yom Tov. So there's a very famous Chasam Sofer, and that's what Rav Elyamin was referring to, that Chasam Sofer says since it's b'glal the mitzvah, so therefore that's called hiddur. It's usage of the mitzvah, so therefore it's called hiddur. That's heis hadar. That's what I was telling you. The Chasam Sofer's shita always says hadar is not beautiful. Hadar means mitzvahs and the kiyum of the mitzvahs. So it comes out a chiddush that the Chasam Sofer is only mechadesh that it's good the rest of the days. Means if it turned brown— Anyway, machmas the mitzvah. But I know my question is, what's called machmas the mitzvah? You think it turned brown because I used it once. I don't know what Chasam Sofer means exactly. You think if you use your esrog once it turns brown, you could say it has to do with the mitzvah? That's how hard you hold. I don't know. It's interesting to me. If the pshat is at the end of Yom Tov—but at the end of Yom Tov anyway there's no problem of hiddur, and it has to be the whole thing—it's a little bit interesting, the Chasam Sofer, yeah.

Yes, so let's say, so I'm saying, but you hold that it turned that because of one time using it, two times. I showed my... Yeah. That's some type of... But when did you show it to him? At the end of Yontif, yeah, that I could hear. But I'm saying, but to come in the beginning of Yontif and say that it turned brown because of chametz, after I use it, like, I'm saying that after the first day of a person... Okay. Now, what happens, haboisa, if you have a lulav, an esrog, which is regular brown, not because of usage. Turned brown, kosher or not kosher? So what's the halacha? No? Okay. How about red? And I'll show you from red that we can understand brown. The Biur Halacha in Taf-Reish Mem-Ches brings the Chayei Adam. Taf-Reish Mem-Ches, se'if tezayin. Biur Halacha says, the Chayei Adam says it depends, no? Zog. I see it's gonna take more than five minutes. Oh, okay. With Tafis lashon rishon, originally said ten. Huh? Okay, okay, okay. Tafis lashon rishon is good. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chayei Adam says the adam hu me'arev esrog. Adam? Adam hu me'arev esrog. Oh. What does he mean by that? Adam is me'arev esrog. What's meant with that? Yeah, it is. Does the Chayei Adam mean that it's normal that it could be red, or fakert, the esrogim turn red? What does he mean by that? They turn red, or if it's red, then that was the color of this esrog. I'm thinking to myself... Adom he means is the brown that they're referring to. What else does he mean? Turns red. That's what it means. So what's that halacha, kasher, not kasher? No? Ah, go ahead. Kehina simka, like a date, red date. A red date, yeah, no? That's marak shechor. So what is that? That's the peeling. That's what you're talking about. Because the case of the Gemara is the igla that peeled off and it turned kehina simka. Right, so it's red or brown? What's the chayodim, red or brown? Chayodim's probably talking about real red. Real red. And kehina simka is what happens when you rub it, brown, and that's when you rub it, and it's mashma that what? Marak shechor. Okay, this is what—chayar from this chayodim is mashma that the brown is kasher. So I don't know what the problem is exactly, what the Chasam Sofer is saying, that it turns brown, that's all it turns. So why is it different than this halacha, that it's anyway kasher? I don't know. I don't understand this. Al kol panim, let's just finish off with barish shachar, black. Taf reish mem ches, Shulchan Aruch, se'if yud-zayin, that it's what? Pasul. Mishnah Berurah, se'if katan nun-zayin, if it's noited to black. Rabosai, if you find the black esrog, I would tell you that maybe you—because it's probably a delicious date. It's probably not an esrog. I don't know. You ever saw a black esrog? What? I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know if we have it today, bichlal. I mean, from Eliyahu's time we don't even have the green. Let me tell you another thing. You have to realize that by the time it comes to you, the sochrim went through this rigmarole to make sure that it's sellable. It's esrog, it's l'maaseh. So you don't really have all these cases, the blacks and the greens and that. What, you're gonna find the black esrog on the market? You can use it for shechiyanu maybe on Rosh Hashanah if you want, but that's not more than that. So pashut, the black is not negea, but that chaya adam with the red and the brown, l'choira should be the mekor that any brown esrog should be kosher, unless what the Chasam Sofer holds is that if you made it brown, maybe that's where the problem is. If a person would go, for example, let's say you have an esrog that doesn't have a pitam because it was grown that way, so that's not a chisaron because that's derech gidulo. But if you went and you cut off the pitam, so then there's a problem. So it could be that what's normal brown, that turns brown, is good, but what's turned brown from usage, maybe the Chasam Sofer held could be a problem, maybe. Again, it's a big chiddush. Pashut from this chaya adam is mashma that it's okay. Okay, so we'll stop over here. We're going to continue with yavish, we'll continue with pitam, im yirtzeh Hashem, tomorrow, and then we'll go through, lefi the seder, the checklist: what's kosher, not kosher, and be'ezras Hashem, another two days esrog, then we'll start lulav, and then we'll do hadas and aravos, im yirtzeh Hashem. Why not? Oh, Rabbi Hovman. The truth is, we were supposed to take care of it, so it's obviously, it's another one of those things that we have to take care of. I don't see it being done in two days. I don't see it happening, so maybe it's for the week after. Rabbi Hovman wrote a sefer called Zev Yitrof, Zev Yitrof. He's a very big talmid chacham, he's a Baran's talmid.

And he had kesher with Rav Hutner. Where does he live? He lives here in Lakewood. You never heard of Rav Hutner? Rav Hutner is from the ... Lakewood. He's from the real chashuv. You heard of Rav Hutner. You know the Homberman that was an avel that davened by two minchas all the time? It's his father. This is an interesting bichal. You know what it is? It was good work, very bekitzur, and because of the kitzurim, sometimes it loses. I'm going to show you interesting things in here. It's not every Mishnah. ... You can daven for ... and also the ... whatever. We have to talk about the ... You have to ... Yeah, I'm saying half and half, but it'll be ... We'll see. Yeah, probably, probably, yeah. Maybe Thursday night we'll leave ... Okay? I'm saying maybe you're not going to be Thursday. You'll be in touch with me. I'm a little bit tired and my mind is spinning. Be in touch, be in touch. Yeah, let's close this. Okay, good. Yeah, rabosai.